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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Frankfurter
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Thanks for the links, but in terms of hard data the second link basically says that standalone HD DVD players 'dominated' Blu Ray player sales in the second quarter of 2007 (61 vs. 36; where are the other 3% btw.?), just like Blu Ray software sales in the USA dominate HD DVD software sales.
HyperionX said:
Consumers don't care if they have billions of hardware supporters. They see that HD DVD players are cheaper than Blu Ray players and they see that the HD DVD players are from Toshiba (and soon also from others afaik), which is a good brand name.
Blu Ray stand-alone player sales have just been proven to NOT be close to HD DVD player sales (unless we wanna put anecdotal evidence from one store over the whole market share figures given out by NPD).
The PC market doesn't matter at all imo, it'll take YEARS until it adopts one format or the other, studio support imo is basically divided (their might be a small advantage for Blu Ray, but that's not going to cut it) and PS3 up until this point didn't win it for Blu Ray (despite its existence and Blu Ray outselling HD DVD, Paramount/Dreamworks have just gone red), so why should it do that in the future?
If anything PS3's effect on the overall Blu Ray/HD DVD market will be getting smaller and smaller, just like with DVDs, as players get cheaper and cheaper. In arround a year we could see HD DVD players for ~$100 and they could sell MILLIONS... or not, who knows.
I think it's definitely too optimistic at the moment to claim that Blu Ray will most likely win, considering that Blu Ray has NONE of the two important things that DVD had when it became really mainstream: full studio support and a low price. HD DVD is atleast pretty close to getting low priced players.
Cold-Steel
Member
I look forward to seeing you all cry bitter tears when Blu-ray players drop in price across the board.
Frankfurter
Member
Cold-Steel said:
Why should anyone cry if sth. gets cheaper?
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Frankfurter said:
..and that, since then, BluRay has increased sales dramatically.
Not hard to beleive, since around that time "standalones" (aka dedicated players) got an edge with a high quality unit that cost the same or less than the PS3.
Like I said, we'll have to wait for hard data. But there's the source for Hyperion's comments.
Brilliant. He makes some points and adds to the discussion, and instead of providing a rebuttal or saying something of value - this is what you present. Why don't you take a page out of thaivo's book and contribute something to the discussion?Days like these... said:
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Days' only contribution to this thread has been to bait BluRay supporters and accuse them of being in it for the Console War aspect, so no big loss. :lol
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
totally shocking to see another HD DVD supporter get banned for posting inane crap. What would be even more shocking would be a Blu Ray supporter get banned for practically the same thing or (often times) worse behavior. Not bloody likely to happen.
1080p24 will make the movie seem smoother.. tvs that are capable of a 72hz refresh rate can display an accurate framerate to how the film was recoded.
a tv with 60hz has to double some frames and not others, which leads to a slight jerkyness which is most noticible on slow pans...
a tv with 60hz has to double some frames and not others, which leads to a slight jerkyness which is most noticible on slow pans...
Cosmic Bus
pristine morning snow
Cold-Steel said:
Who in their right mind would cry over that? I'll happily go dual-format once Blu finally becomes an affordable platform ($200 or less).
KZObsessed
Member
VanMardigan said:
Fair point. But also the difference within disc sales, although last week was 68:32, is really only a few tens of thousands of units each week, so despite the constant increase of PS3 sales compared to HD-DVD one big exclusive release on either format can tip the scales dramatically for that week. It would have to be a 300 size release but it can happen. Like I said, if Transformers launches a week where Blu-Ray has no big releases that week or the week before HD-DVD could possibly win a week.
But thinking about it, you and Stooge might be right. I dont think Blades of Glory will pull huge numbers, it'll pull more now because its exclusive but it wont be massive. Shawn of the Dead, judging by Hot Fuzz, wont sell too much either. Heroes is the big one, massive exclusive, I wish it was on Blu-Ray, but the high price might put people off. So you're probably right, the new PS3 owners and people picking up titles from Blu-Rays back catalogue very well might outweigh the sales of the HD-DVD exclusives. Of course I will be hoping that you are right
I still think it will be close tho 50s:40s.
OokieSpookie
Banned
VanMardigan said:
What the fuck are you talking about?
There have already been BR shills banned in this thread and this kind of bullshit "the world is out to get me" crap just makes you look like a jackass.
Do not even bring that crap to this thread.
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
VanMardigan said:
I wouldn't take out my frustration at my format of choice's inability to succeed on a ban-happy admin, if I were you.
of course, been on your ignore list, you're probably not going to heed this warning. lol
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
kpop100 said:
Neither format is gimped (well Blu Ray is, but it should get its interactivity/networking stuff up this year or next year). Both will deliver exceptional high definition movie content to your living room.
If you mean gimped because of split studio support, then yeah, for at least another year, there will be studio exclusives.
Who in their right mind would cry over that? I'll happily go dual-format once Blu finally becomes an affordable platform ($200 or less).
Thirded. Hell, I almost went format-neutral last week with the amazon offer. It was close, but still too pricey ($497 with 3 movies I wanted, and 5 that I didn't).
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
kpop100 said:
It's unfortunate, but that's what happens in a format war. The Paramount deal is supposedly at least 12-18 months, so I'd say there is basically no chance of a universally supported format until at least 2009.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I think that I was ok in jumping in because of the low barrier of entry for me (I already owned a 360) and the promise of dual format players in the long run. They just might be the saving grace to this stupid war.
I never knew/cared which studio did what film, but just being a part of this war has made me painfully aware of which movies are HD DVD only vs. Blu Ray only.
Take a look at the top ten movies:
Superbad Blu Ray
The Bourne Ultimatum HD DVD
Rush Hour 3 Neutral
Mr. Bean's Holiday HD DVD
War Blu Ray
The Nanny Diaries Blu Ray
The Simpsons Movie Blu Ray
Stardust HD DVD
Hairspray Neutral
The Invasion Neutral
4 Blu Ray exclusives
3 HD DVD exclusives
3 Neutral
A frickin mess for consumers.
So true. I asked my wife what she thought of us getting a Ps3 (she plays games/likes HD media), and she was like "we have the 360". I told her it would mean a Blu Ray player, and she responded "but we already have HD DVD". She knows about the Disney/Sony exclusivity, but even she has a hard time finding value in a separate format. I could just as well get the Disney movies in dvd (and I have many of them already), but unfortunately HD DVD has turned me into an HD snob and I would rather own the movies on HD discs, even if I have to buy a separate player to do so. I know I'll eventually crack on the Ps3. My main holdup was not having a 1080 set, and now that I got my kickass mitsu 57", that's no longer an issue.
I never knew/cared which studio did what film, but just being a part of this war has made me painfully aware of which movies are HD DVD only vs. Blu Ray only.
Take a look at the top ten movies:
Superbad Blu Ray
The Bourne Ultimatum HD DVD
Rush Hour 3 Neutral
Mr. Bean's Holiday HD DVD
War Blu Ray
The Nanny Diaries Blu Ray
The Simpsons Movie Blu Ray
Stardust HD DVD
Hairspray Neutral
The Invasion Neutral
4 Blu Ray exclusives
3 HD DVD exclusives
3 Neutral
A frickin mess for consumers.
So true. I asked my wife what she thought of us getting a Ps3 (she plays games/likes HD media), and she was like "we have the 360". I told her it would mean a Blu Ray player, and she responded "but we already have HD DVD". She knows about the Disney/Sony exclusivity, but even she has a hard time finding value in a separate format. I could just as well get the Disney movies in dvd (and I have many of them already), but unfortunately HD DVD has turned me into an HD snob and I would rather own the movies on HD discs, even if I have to buy a separate player to do so. I know I'll eventually crack on the Ps3. My main holdup was not having a 1080 set, and now that I got my kickass mitsu 57", that's no longer an issue.
Excuse me, i do not go around baiting HD DVD owners like Days like these does. I also dont shit a brick if someone disagrees with why i would like blu-ray to win, much like days like these does and sometimes Van does.weehomer said:
Im sorry but i have no pity for Van, he seems to think some pro blu-ray admin is out to get all the hd dvd supporters, but if i recall correctly the first time Van was banned in this thread was for posting MGS4 prediction that it would be on 360, which as anyone who spends anytime on the gaming section knows that is a big no no.
Not to mention, the main event, manabyte, stooge and other hd dvd supporters, to my knowledge none of them have been banned for posting something in this thread. Which goes against his stupid pro-blu-ray admin out to get all the hd dvd supporters.
Yes, it was posted in this thread, it also revealed that combo discs are more expensive to manufacture than BD50's i need the chart as someone is claiming manufacture costs are vast vastly different.Laurant said:
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Days did nothing *but* bait.
I am a little surprised petrarca hasn't been banned. Zaptruder *was* banned.
I am a little surprised petrarca hasn't been banned. Zaptruder *was* banned.
The Main Event
Member
Xater said:
Maybe once Profile 2.0 shows up. Until then, the HD DVD release is exactly what a next-gen optical disc should be about.
The Main Event
Member
http://www.dynamichd.de/
There's a nice flash video showing the possibilities.
There are also really great available/upcoming titles using that feature (will probably double dip the T2 release and get Death Proof (if Weinstein doesn't announce it by the time the DVD hits the street) and Pan's Labyrinth.
The Technology
dynamicHD is the missing link between your Home Cinema setup and the Internet. It uses the network connectivity of your HD DVD player and the option provided by the next generation formats of adding additional content to the replicated disc at any time over the Web.
Enhance your Disc
dynamicHD makes it easy to upgrade your disc with up-to-date bonus material and additional features. Possibilities here are virtually unlimited and offer a brand new form of entertainment. The bonus features can either be downloaded or unlocked via the Internet.
dynamicHD bonus features include:
Additional subtitles
Additional audio tracks
Up-to-date Cast & Crew info
Trailers
Alternate endings
Latest news
Tour dates
Featurettes
Interviews
And many more
There's a nice flash video showing the possibilities.
There are also really great available/upcoming titles using that feature (will probably double dip the T2 release and get Death Proof (if Weinstein doesn't announce it by the time the DVD hits the street) and Pan's Labyrinth.
Frankfurter
Member
Ignatz Mouse said:
That's not what the texts say, though. The only hard data is 61 vs. 36% marketshare in Q2. All the other stuff that is said there is based on "two leading US retailers" (whatever this may mean) or that Blu Ray players outsell HD DVD players @ Ultimate and Abt Electronics since June (which contradicts with the overall market sales data from NPD which includes June and/or means that HD DVD must have outsold Blu Ray by a huge margin, i.e. sth. along the lines of 75:25, in April and May).
Christoff Yurievich
Member
I so don't like the looks of that. "unlock" a making of? what? I smell microtransactions for content I already (hypothetically in the future) paid for.The Main Event said:
OokieSpookie
Banned
No doubt, maybe if they had more space on the disk they could just have it on there so they do not have to wait to download it huh?bune duggy said:
I mean yes it sounds like a great set of possible features but take off the goggles for a moment.
Picture gallery, language tracks, making of, alternate endings?
These are features that should be on any competent release from the start.
DarkJediKnight
Member
The Main Event said:
That is REALLY REALLY DAMN COOL! But it should already be on the disc. There are Blu-ray movies with 20+ subtitles and 4-5 audio tracks.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
JeFfRey said:
If you guys don't think this stuff is hitting Blu Ray the SECOND they get their connectivity/interactivity issues fixed, then you're delusional.
It's not about disc space. If you think it is, go look at this Hot Fuzz review. The space is enough, but enabling content beyond the movie and being able to serve more relevant content or add features (like a French language track) well after the movie has been in print at the request of some fans are also possibilities. You can focus on the bad (despite the fact that it will affect Blu Ray as well), or you can look at all the positives this type of technology has ALREADY enabled on HD DVD (see 300).
Guys, I know this is only slightly related but do any of you realize that we've managed to make over 12,000 posts in this topic? I think there's only 1 or 2 other threads in gaf history with that privilege , one them being the oblivion topic in the gaming forum.
Honestly, bishoptl I think we should start this thread fresh and whoever OPs it should post proper links to lists of every bluray/HDDVD released so far, links to the best looking discs on both formats, general facts about each format , current prices of players and finally a tiny box for overall sales figures between the 2 from a source like NPD that covers more then 1 store or 1 website. Then have it stickied as the official HD format thread. Keep this legendary behemoth in the archive. That way you could even add rules to posting in the thread in the first post , for those that decide the terms of service on gaf are ignorable perhaps they'd atleast read the info were it in a new thread.
Honestly, bishoptl I think we should start this thread fresh and whoever OPs it should post proper links to lists of every bluray/HDDVD released so far, links to the best looking discs on both formats, general facts about each format , current prices of players and finally a tiny box for overall sales figures between the 2 from a source like NPD that covers more then 1 store or 1 website. Then have it stickied as the official HD format thread. Keep this legendary behemoth in the archive. That way you could even add rules to posting in the thread in the first post , for those that decide the terms of service on gaf are ignorable perhaps they'd atleast read the info were it in a new thread.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Frankfurter said:
Which I point out in the post with the links. Jesus, I said it wasn't hard data, it's just a trend noted at some retailers, we'll see when hard numbers arrive.
OokieSpookie
Banned
Pachinko said:
Not to bust your balls or anything, but why?
It is flowing pretty well all and all
Well crap. I ordered the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 to get in on the 8 free HD-DVD's Amazon deal, however now I dunno wtf is going on. Your average, regular consumer is just going to be buying all these movies on regular DVD. The whole idea of splitting up the consumer base with exclusive titles for each format is just ridiculous. Superbad on Bluray? War on Bluray? Dammit. Looks like those will be only DVD for me until some sort of Bluray player gets uber cheap.
OokieSpookie
Banned
VanMardigan said:
You have pretty much proven most of my points.
Yes is nice
But yes it should all be on the disk in the first place.
The 300 disk has proven that all of the shiny features do not equal sales, so it does not give an advantage there but even if it did as you said yourself blu ray will be able to do any of this too so while nice for the loyal it really does nothing in the Blu-ray vs Hd-dvd scene.
OokieSpookie
Banned
Ding!
I still want to know what else Warner is bringing out in Q4.
At the show the other day they said that they are releasing more movies in Q4 than pretty much Q1-Q3 combined.
I still want to know what else Warner is bringing out in Q4.
At the show the other day they said that they are releasing more movies in Q4 than pretty much Q1-Q3 combined.
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