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[captive]

Am i the only one in this thread that hasnt seen transformers? I just never got around to seeing it. I never played with them as a kid, my brother was the one with all the transformers stuff so i didnt have much interest in it.

That's a lot of PR.

Two people posting the same PR at the same time != one person posting every word that comes out of HD DVD promotion group.

Anyway, Prison Break is mine.

 

[Captain Glanton]

Am i the only one in this thread that hasnt seen transformers? I just never got around to seeing it. I never played with them as a kid, my brother was the one with all the transformers stuff so i didnt have much interest in it.

No. I didn't see it, and I had so, so many of those things as a kid. For one thing, I've sort of outgrown that stuff, but also, I do not recognize any Transformers in which Bumblebee is not a VW Bug.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Am i the only one in this thread that hasnt seen transformers? I just never got around to seeing it. I never played with them as a kid, my brother was the one with all the transformers stuff so i didnt have much interest in it.


Two people posting the same PR at the same time != one person posting every word that comes out of HD DVD promotion group.

Anyway, Prison Break is mine.

Haven't seen it. Once I saw how different everything was from the cartoon (plus no Soundwave) I lost interest quick. I'll watch it eventually.

 

[djkimothy]

Haven't seen it. Once I saw how different everything was from the cartoon (plus no Soundwave) I lost interest quick. I'll watch it eventually.

The movie was like getting a blow job, but right at the end, the girl decides to call it quits. Good, but not great.

 

[captive]

The movie was like getting a blow job, but right at the end, the girl decides to call it quits. Good, but not great.

Haha so it was a scene from Crank?

 

[djkimothy]

Haha so it was a scene from Crank?

Yes! That's exactly how it was. :lol

 

[Oni Jazar]

Here ya go, 200-Disc Blu-ray changer:

WHOA 200-Disc Blu-ray Changer (Sony HES-V1000)

HES-V1000 · 200-disc BD/DVD/CD changer · Blu-ray Disc/DVD/CD burning (write to 25GB Blu-ray Disc media) · 500GB hard disc drive for burning home movies, digital music and photos (137 hours of video, 2,000 CDs or 20,000 digital photos) · x-Applications: x-Pict Story HD and x-Scrap Book automatic photo slide shows · Xross Media Bar (XMB) ™ · Ethernet connection for access to All Media Guide (AMG) metadata · Wireless music streaming to Sony CPF-IX001 wireless streamer or other DLNA devices including PlayStation 3 -- up to ten devices with four independent audio streams · Available this fall for about $3,500

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cedia07/whoa-200+disc-blu+ray-changer-sony-hes+v1000-296414.php

 

[Raistlin]

Here ya go, 200-Disc Blu-ray changer:

WHOA 200-Disc Blu-ray Changer (Sony HES-V1000)



http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cedia07/whoa-200+disc-blu+ray-changer-sony-hes+v1000-296414.php

0_o

That's pretty sweet.

If they added writing to 50GB BD, FLAC support, as well as SACD capability ... I'd consider biting.

 

[Raistlin]

BTW - POST THIS STUFF IN THE CEDIA THREAD IF APPLICABLE!!!!

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Here ya go, 200-Disc Blu-ray changer:

WHOA 200-Disc Blu-ray Changer (Sony HES-V1000)



http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cedia07/whoa-200+disc-blu+ray-changer-sony-hes+v1000-296414.php

If I was a rich man, I'd buy that tomorrow. It's so excessive. And cool. And useless... relatively.

 

[VanMardigan]

Why keep the cedia Blu Ray/HD DVD news over on the other thread? I understand keeping the cd changer stuff out, but announcements that are relevant to either format should be discussed here as well.

 

[Raistlin]

If I was a rich man, I'd buy that tomorrow. It's so excessive. And cool. And useless... relatively.

I fail to see how its useless.


Its a dedicated DNLA media server, that also has 200disk BD/DVD/CD serving and burning.

 

[Raistlin]

Why keep the cedia Blu Ray/HD DVD news over on the other thread? I understand keeping the cd changer stuff out, but announcements that are relevant to either format should be discussed here as well.

Because every AV website is going to be running literally hundreds of HD DVD and BD stories through this week.

This thread will go insane from it.



IMO, its better to keep the CEDIA news in one thread ... and then discuss it here once the smoke clears ... next week.

 

[KachoMakura]

Curious: are you guys really this excited about Transformers? Personally, I thought it was lousy, and it has a "Rotten" tomato-rating. This isn't a critique of HD-DVD, I'm just surprised some of you are so hyped for it. Now Bourne Trilogy... that I understand the hype about.

Transformers even without the license is one of the best action movies I've ever seen. It has amazing cinematography and some of the best special effects ever put on film. The fact that it's derived from a beloved cartoon series is just icing on the cake. How could anyone not be excited?

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

I fail to see how its useless.


Its a dedicated DNLA media server, that also has 200disk BD/DVD/CD serving and burning.

It's not useless... but it is excessive. But you could get an incredible PC for that kind of money; fair enough you wouldn't get a 200disk changer... but how well can BD and HD media be streamed around the house anyway?

 

[ThirstyFly]

Because Bandai is insane, and charging full Japanese prices overseas.

What a bunch of mother bitches. I love Wings of Honneamise, but there's no way in hell I'm paying $76 for it.

 

[Raistlin]

It's not useless... but it is excessive. But you could get an incredible PC for that kind of money;

True, though a lot of people prefer dedicated servers. Easier to manage, and less power consumption.

fair enough you wouldn't get a 200disk changer... but how well can BD and HD media be streamed around the house anyway?

Not sure ... though I don't even know if you can stream from disks with this. Then again, T100 ethernet should be fine from a bandwidth perspective ... as long as you have a client that can handle it. PS3 seems to be able to stream HD fine, though I don't know if its been tested with superhigh MB/S.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

I really gotta hand it to HD DVD and Toshiba in particular, they're pulling all the stops with the right moves. The Onkyo and Integra players will be a big hit for the high end market. I may have to replace my fried XA2 with one of those.

Sony's ES player sounds exciting as well. The high end guys will eat it up. The ES name is legendary for performance and durability. My dad had an old ES dvd player from 2000 and its had its vents blocked by stacks of DVDs for years and it's still going strong.

 

[Raistlin]

I really gotta hand it to HD DVD and Toshiba in particular, they're pulling all the stops with the right moves. The Onkyo and Integra players will be a big hit for the high end market. I may have to replace my fried XA2 with one of those.

I'm not sure why you think that.

What does it offer over the XA2? Unless you are still using an analog pre/pro or receiver, the better DACs are useless.

It doesn't appear to do anything else of use. Integra's PR is full of A LOT of BS.

Sony's ES player sounds exciting as well. The high end guys will eat it up. The ES name is legendary for performance and durability. My dad had an old ES dvd player from 2000 and its had its vents blocked by stacks of DVDs for years and it's still going strong.

I don't know, the lack of Profile 2.0 seems kind of gimped. Granted the SW probably won't be ready until spring or so, but who wants to buy another BD player next year?




So far, not impressed with either offering.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Well, here's something from the BDA....

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6473453.html?q=blu-ray+ifa

oh shit, now we're going to hear about BD recalls because of lead!

 

[Stinkles]

I fail to see how its useless.


Its a dedicated DNLA media server, that also has 200disk BD/DVD/CD serving and burning.

There's something to be said for skimming through your collection, looking at the sleeves. A changer is so impersonal.

 

[captive]

There's something to be said for skimming through your collection, looking at the sleeves. A changer is so impersonal.

I do this but it has the opposite effect, more like i look at my collection and say "why the fuck do i have all these movies and tv shows."

 

[Raistlin]

There's something to be said for skimming through your collection, looking at the sleeves. A changer is so impersonal.

Cover art .jpg's FTW

 

[OokieSpookie]

Ok now, while going through my collection tonight I have to ask where in the hell is my Blu Ray version of The Nightmare Before Christmas?
Whether it is the 3d re-release or the original, it is needed now.
NOW I TELL YOU NOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!

 

[M3wThr33]

I do this but it has the opposite effect, more like i look at my collection and say "why the fuck do i have all these movies and tv shows."

Now you can stare at a black tower next to your TV and ask yourself, did I really spend $3500 to have Alf, Andy Griffith and Will & Grace at my fingertips?

 

[Zen]

Sony: Blu-ray set-top players out-selling HD DVD

Blu-ray Disc set-top players within the last 12 weeks have begun out-selling HD DVD set-top players, according to recent NPD Group research cited by Sony Electronics.

Sony touted the reversal of HD DVD’s long-running stand-alone dominance during its Wednesday press conference at CEDIA.

Sony VP Chris Fawcett declined to provide exact market share percentages of the two sides.

He said the change occurred mostly due to the introduction of Sony’s $499 player.

http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6475686

I'd love to know the figure. I bet it's very close, and as such the BDA doesn't want to reveal the figure in a press conference because it would harm to perception they want to continue to create of total dominance. But the fact that stand alone sales are pretty equal, or even close, is bad news for HD-DVD. Granted, this whole Paramount/Dreamworks fiasco could and probably has hurt consumer confidence in Blu Ray which could negatively effect player sales for the entire HD industry, so who's to say what the numbers look like right now, but even still, surprisingly good SA sales numbers (alledgedly) versus the much cheaper HD-DVD stand alone player.

 

[TAJ]

as per reviews... (of Transformers) anyone older than 35 probably would hate it. nostalgia was its greatest strength

My mom called to tell me how much she liked it, and she's 59. I'm still not convinced. Everything I've seen tells me it should be terrible.

 

[Andy787]

http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6475686

I'd love to know the figure. I bet it's very close, and as such the BDA doesn't want to reveal the figure in a press conference because it would harm to perception they want to continue to create of total dominance. But the fact that stand alone sales are pretty equal, or even close, is bad news for HD-DVD. Granted, this whole Paramount/Dreamworks fiasco could and probably has hurt consumer confidence in Blu Ray which could negatively effect player sales for the entire HD industry, so who's to say what the numbers look like right now, but even still, surprisingly good SA sales numbers (alledgedly) versus the much cheaper HD-DVD stand alone player.

If that's true, that is huge news. And if it's coming straight from NPD, it's not like Sony can outright lie about NPD's statistic. That essentially defeats any argument as to why any studio should support HD-DVD instead of Blu-Ray, and all of the FUD that Universal, Microsoft, and the various HD-DVD backers have been blathering constantly.

There is now not one single advantage from a business, technological, or industry standpoint, outside of moneyhats, for these companies to continue supporting HD-DVD. It is being significantly outsold from a software perspective, has far less studio, consumer electronics, and technology support, is the weaker technology of the formats, and now it would appear they can no longer claim that they are winning on the dedicated hardware front.

lol @ all of the recent FUD posts about Blu-Ray being in trouble if it can't gain a foothold in the dedicated player market.

 

[KachoMakura]

If that's true, that is huge news. And if it's coming straight from NPD, it's not like Sony can outright lie about NPD's statistic. That essentially defeats any argument as to why any studio should support HD-DVD instead of Blu-Ray, and all of the FUD that Universal, Microsoft, and the various HD-DVD backers have been blathering constantly.

There is now not one single advantage from a business, technological, or industry standpoint, outside of moneyhats, for these companies to continue supporting HD-DVD. It is being significantly outsold from a software perspective, has far less studio, consumer electronics, and technology support, is the weaker technology of the formats, and now it would appear they can no longer claim that they are winning on the dedicated hardware front.

lol @ all of the recent FUD posts about Blu-Ray being in trouble if it can't gain a foothold in the dedicated player market.

The whole point has been that HD-DVD is cheaper and the format was more complete out of the gates. Studio support is pretty equal now that Paramount and Dreamworks have switched over.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Check this out.....bitstream output for all advanced codecs INCLUDING DTS HD MASTER AUDIO!!!

Second Elite Blu-ray Player To Bow
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Sony Focuses On Blu-ray At CEDIA

By Greg Tarr -- TWICE, 9/5/2007 9:01:00 PM
DENVER — Pioneer will unveil at CEDIA Expo its second Blu-ray Disc player, which will be sold in October under the Elite badge at a $1,000 suggested retail price.

The Pioneer Elite BDP-95FD Blu-ray Disc player offers increased bandwidth capacity affording internal decoding of high resolution audio formats for: Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital+Plus, and DTS-HD as well as bit-stream output for all advanced audio formats including DTS-HD Master for 7.1 surround sound performance.

The player includes HDMI v1.3 output, and support for 1080p high definition at a 24 frames per second (fps) rate.

The Pioneer Elite Blu-ray Disc player incorporates HDMI Consumer Electronics Control (CEC) to simplify integration of operation with other HDMI-CEC-enabled high-definition theater components. The feature allows users to control a whole home theater setup with a single remote

for maximum convenience capability.

Also included is Pioneer’s Home Media Gallery that allows users to directly access and playback music, movies and photos stored on a home PC.

The home networking feature provides IP networking for immediate downloading of new digital media files from the computer through the BDP-95FD to a connected flat-screen television.

The Pioneer Elite Blu-ray Disc player is compliant with Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA), Windows and Apple computer video, Windows Vista or Windows Media Connect as well as Microsoft Playsforsure DRM technology.

The new BDP-95FD supports playback of CD, DVD, MP3 and WMA formats. Improvements in the new model over the previous BDP-HD1 model include: HDMI 1.3 vs. HDMI 1.1, internal decoding of Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital+Plus and DTS-HD as well as bit-stream output for all advanced audio formats including DTS-HD Master for 7.1 surround sound. The BDP-HD1 only decoded standard Dolby and DTS audio and did not support internal decoding of Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus or DTS-HD. The BDP-HD1 also did not offer HDMI-CEC control.

 

[Kleegamefan]

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9772155-1.html?tag=cnetfd.blogs.item


here are a whole bunch of Blu-ray players being announced at CEDIA, but for the most part there's not too much to differentiate them. Sharp's new Blu-ray player, the BD-HP20U, the company's first ever and while it's mostly the same as other players, the press release claims that it will load Blu-ray discs in ten seconds. For those of you not used to the sluggish speeds of high-def media, that's very fast -- we're used to it taking closer from 40 seconds to well over a minute on other high-def players.

Sharp BD-HP20U's key features

1080p output at 24 frames per second
Onboard decoding for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD
Quick Start mode, loading discs in less than ten seconds
HDMI output (version not specified)
Possibly analog 5.1 multichannel outputs (according to photos from AV Magazine.it)
$550 MSRP, available in September
We definitely love the Quick Start mode, but we're disappointed that the BD-HP20U doesn't offer bitstream output for DTS-HD Master Audio soundtracks. On the other hand, the $550 price tag is pretty attractive, considering the only other $500 standalone Blu-ray player we've reviewed--the Sony BDP-S300--was extremely sluggish.

 

[djkimothy]

here are a whole bunch of Blu-ray players being announced at CEDIA, but for the most part there's not too much to differentiate them. Sharp's new Blu-ray player, the BD-HP20U, the company's first ever and while it's mostly the same as other players, the press release claims that it will load Blu-ray discs in ten seconds. For those of you not used to the sluggish speeds of high-def media, that's very fast -- we're used to it taking closer from 40 seconds to well over a minute on other high-def players.

I still can't imagine this and is the main reason why I'm not going with a stand alone at this point. What part takes so long to load?

Still, the box looks nice.

For the PS3, you pop the disc in, select the BDMV icon and boom, you're in the previews. What the hell does it have to load?

 

[djkimothy]

Wow, Toshiba is aggressive with their pack-ins...

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ccompany_Toshibas_Third-Gen_HD_DVD_Launch/935

A new version of the offer will run from 10/1/07 through 2/28/08, with a new selection of fifteen films to choose from.

Meanwhile, fans opting to buy one of Toshiba's third-gen HD DVD players will receive an additional two HD DVDs in the box -- Warner's '300' and Universal's 'Bourne Identity.' Although both the Xbox 360 add-on and Sony's PS3 have both included in-box high-def disc bundles, this marks Toshiba's first such foray.

In other marketing news from Toshiba, the company also announced a season-long promotional campaign with the NBC Television Station Group and its broadcasts of "Sunday Night Football."

Designed to communicate the benefits of HD DVD to millions of HDTV owners, Toshiba says the the cross-media campaign will include 30 second HD DVD ads, web sponsorships promoting the format, and special on-air promotional vignettes.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I am not surprised at the news that dedicated BluRay has overtaken dedicated HD DVD. We had reports just recently from the retailer level that this was the trend. I'm also sure it's a narrow margin, but then there's still the PS3 advantage on top of that.

Makes me wonder what the escape clause in the Paramount contract is.

 

[Kolgar]

I am not surprised at the news that dedicated BluRay has overtaken dedicated HD DVD. We had reports just recently from the retailer level that this was the trend. I'm also sure it's a narrow margin, but then there's still the PS3 advantage on top of that.

Makes me wonder what the escape clause in the Paramount contract is.

Haven't stopped in for a while, but are we sure BD standalones have overtaken HD DVD standalones in UNIT SALES?

I have read around the web that Sony's cryptic claim referred to REVENUE. They've overtaken HD DVD in REVENUE of standalone sales. Which isn't as hard to do when your players cost 2x - 5x more.

Not claiming anything, I'm just asking because it seems unlikely to me.

 

[captive]

The whole point has been that HD-DVD is cheaper and the format was more complete out of the gates. Studio support is pretty equal now that Paramount and Dreamworks have switched over.

Ok HD DVD is cheaper, but if this report is to be believed that stand alone players that are more expenisve, as we know this true because none of the hd dvd supporters here will let you foget it, are outselling the cheaper players what then?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Haven't stopped in for a while, but are we sure BD standalones have overtaken HD DVD standalones in UNIT SALES?

I have read around the web that Sony's cryptic claim referred to REVENUE. They've overtaken HD DVD in REVENUE of standalone sales. Which isn't as hard to do when your players cost 2x - 5x more.

Not claiming anything, I'm just asking because it seems unlikely to me.

If it's revenue and not unit sales, we'll hear about it from Toshiba almost immediately. They have access to the same numbers.

Also, I haven't seen the actual Sony PR verbage to know if they mean revenue or not. The quoted article makes it sound like unit sales, but that may have gotten it wrong if the PS is deliberately cryptic (which is very possible).

Anyway, it's not unlikely if content drives sales and higher prices had been holding dedicated player sales back.

 

[VanMardigan]

Wow, Toshiba is aggressive with their pack-ins...

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ccompany_Toshibas_Third-Gen_HD_DVD_Launch/935

That's a good deal, and Warner should be pretty happy about that as well. Pretty sweet for them considering they're not format-neutral.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

For those bemoaning the loss of Paramount on Blu, Warner holds the rights to Zodiac in Denmark and is releasing the theatrical cut on BR (HD is getting only the new director's cut from the sound of it) at the end of the month. Confirmed to be region-free.

 

[theBishop]

For those bemoaning the loss of Paramount on Blu, Warner holds the rights to Zodiac in Denmark and is releasing the theatrical cut on BR (HD is getting only the new director's cut from the sound of it) at the end of the month. Confirmed to be region-free.

I'd watch that again. Good film... really understated suspense.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Yea im sure its cause of the super saver shipping,I used free two day.

Not sure if this has been posted...

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news...s/Transformers_Ready_for_Battle_on_HD_DVD/931

Tech specs include 1080p video (codec still TBA) and Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround audio only -- surprisingly (and disappointing for early adopters) Paramount has not announced any high-resolution audio support for 'Transformers.'

List price for the HD DVD is $39.98. "

Very dissapointed at the Audio for Transformers.

Planning to upgrade the sound system and would have loved to listen to this in True-HD or Uncompressed PCM.

 

[xS1TH L0RDx]

I'd watch that again. Good film... really understated suspense.

Zodiac was my number 2 favorite movie i've seen this year...right after children of men.

 

[Mrbob]

Wow, Toshiba is aggressive with their pack-ins...

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ccompany_Toshibas_Third-Gen_HD_DVD_Launch/935

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I'll wait for that new selection of 15 to come out.

 

[maynerd]

15 films? WTF! Oh wait you still get 5 but get a new set of 15 to choose from?

 

[KZObsessed]

Sony: Blu-ray set-top players out-selling HD DVD

Blu-ray Disc set-top players within the last 12 weeks have begun out-selling HD DVD set-top players, according to recent NPD Group research cited by Sony Electronics.

Sony touted the reversal of HD DVD’s long-running stand-alone dominance during its Wednesday press conference at CEDIA.

Sony VP Chris Fawcett declined to provide exact market share percentages of the two sides.

He said the change occurred mostly due to the introduction of Sony’s $499 player.

oh snap! Its amazing how even when the PS3 has been the cheapest and best Blu-Ray player on the market, BD standalones still outsell the cheaper more “complete” HD-DVD standalone players.

According to a picture here: http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3084&p=10

Don’t know if it’s accurate or not but here’s the breakdown:

Blu-ray: 55%
HD DVD: 43%
Dual: 2%

 

[brandonh83]

i'll rent 4, but 1 and 3 are so bought.

Why rent 4 and buy 3 when 4 > 3???

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Dont know if its accurate or not but heres the breakdown:

Blu-ray: 55%
HD DVD: 43%
Dual: 2%

Ta-da! Chart says that it's unit sales, not revenue. (It's several pages in, btw) No wonder Toshiba is upping the freebies, that news has to scare them.

Now we wait for the counter-PR to see if there are any holes in this data, or if the response is just spin.

Until then, I (as always) remain skeptical of PR. Even when I like the news.

 

[krypt0nian]

oh snap! Its amazing how even when the PS3 has been the cheapest and best Blu-Ray player on the market, BD standalones still outsell the cheaper more “complete” HD-DVD standalone players.

According to a picture here: http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3084&p=10

Don’t know if it’s accurate or not but here’s the breakdown:

Blu-ray: 55%
HD DVD: 43%
Dual: 2%

IF this is correct, you have to wonder what Paramount is thinking about escape clauses. Then you have to wonder what the software numbers will do to this.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Haven't stopped in for a while, but are we sure BD standalones have overtaken HD DVD standalones in UNIT SALES?

I have read around the web that Sony's cryptic claim referred to REVENUE. They've overtaken HD DVD in REVENUE of standalone sales. Which isn't as hard to do when your players cost 2x - 5x more.

Not claiming anything, I'm just asking because it seems unlikely to me.

Well... you had a flickering glimmer of hope for a moment.

 

[theBishop]

oh snap! Its amazing how even when the PS3 has been the cheapest and best Blu-Ray player on the market, BD standalones still outsell the cheaper more “complete” HD-DVD standalone players.

According to a picture here: http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3084&p=10

Don’t know if it’s accurate or not but here’s the breakdown:

Blu-ray: 55%
HD DVD: 43%
Dual: 2%

Doesn't surprise me. AV retailers seem to have turned the corner into pushing Blu-Ray as the inevitable standard. My brother just started working at an enthusiast chain called "Tweeter". They carry both formats, but employees are instructed to recommend Blu-Ray.

And they don't carry PS3.