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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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NekoFever

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mrklaw said:
and ratatouille is crazy. Its out in the UK today, but on bluray in the US in four weeks. So for the price of me taking my son to the cinema I can just buy the bluray and some popcorn :)
If you ever need proof that ticket prices here are silly (I won't even get started on release dates), I ordered Cars and Ratatouille with international FedEx from the US for only £3 more than it would cost myself and three friends (we take it in turns to buy all the tickets when there's a movie we want to see) to see it in the fleapit. And it'll sound better than it does there, since their sound setup almost ruined Transformers for me.

Plus my US versions won't have cameos from Jeremy Clarkson (Cars) and Jamie Oliver (Ratatouille) like the UK versions. Whoever came up with the localised voice cameo idea needs to be shot. Shrek 2 was the most egregious, what with the likeness of Joan Rivers (age 74) being voiced by Kate Thornton (age 34) on my UK DVD.

In other news, my Transformers is somewhere over the Atlantic right now. I'm feeling giddy :D
 

thaivo

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user friendly said:
It will help for sure but it will have a hard time going up against the likes of:

~ Cast Away
~ Independence Day
~ PotC: At World's End
~ Ronin
~ Superbad

While these titles come out the week before Ultimatum, they will still probably have enough legs to outsell it in the weeks after. Plus, Harry Potter comes out the same week as Ultimatum so it should be an awesome week for HDM in general.

~ Superbad
~ PotC: At World's End
Might be strong competition even in their sophmore and + weeks, but I'm not sure any of those catalog titles are going to do much other than Independence Day. Although just a personal take, but none of those movies touch the quality of the last Bourne film.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
thaivo said:
~ Superbad
~ PotC: At World's End
Might be strong competition even in their sophmore and + weeks, but I'm not sure any of those catalog titles are going to do much other than Independence Day. Although just a personal take, but none of those movies touch the quality of the last Bourne film.
Top Gun made the top ten last week, the question is did it make the top ten because that many people bought it? Or did it make the top ten because there wasnt that much out there to buy to overwhelm the top ten?
 

Elios83

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user friendly said:





Back to normal it seems.

The HD-DVD group should better pray that they can at least get a par with BR the week Transformers is relased because with the PS3 at 399$ coming, the exclusives BR has starting with Spiderman3 and then until the end of the year and probably cheaper standalone products getting announced they're going to be in serious troubles.
 

SRG01

Member
captive said:
I think its just that Knocked up had a huge drop off because last week it was 100/25 to the second place title which was 300.
But didnt someone say knocked up only sold 15k last week anyway?

I was kind of thinking that comedies were front-loaded anyway last week, so the drop off isn't that surprising.


I'll have a chart up tomorrow sometime. I'm completely exhausted after a training session at an engineering firm and I'm too lazy to cook supper so I might go find something to eat elsewhere.

(But as a tidbit, I don't think F4 did much better than Knocked Up's 15k last week. Just a hunch, but who knows until someone actually finds the numbers.)
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Warm Machine said:
Amazingly good. Don't know if it does 1080p with the HDMI equipped ones though, or any of the advanced audio codecs. It is certainly worth the teeny investment especially if you have a TV capable of delivering the visuals.

I have a 1080p tv and an HDMI 360 and you get 1080p from the add on with this setup. The audio still tops out at DD 5.1 or DTS.
 
http://www.dvdtown.com/reviews/transformers/5245/2

Video:
The film showed up pretty well in a theater, and in HD DVD Paramount reproduce it much as I remember it from my local movie house. Using an MGEG-4AVC codec, the video engineers maintain the film's original 2.35:1 aspect ratio (showing up at about 2.24:1 across my screen, given my set's small amount of overscan). What we see is a clean screen, free of grain and transfer noise, even in darker outdoor shots. Colors are bright, rich, and deep, perhaps a tad too bright, rich, and deep for real life, and a touch glassy, too, but perfect for a cartoonish movie like "Transformers." Definition is, as we might expect, near flawless, the crispness of the delineation serving to point up every detail in the mechanical creatures. I did, however, observe a small degree of shimmer in some motion effects, particularly noticeable in some horizontal and diagonal lines. It is of little concern.

Audio:
The big controversy in the audio department swirls around Paramount's decision not to include a Dolby TrueHD track on what is possibly their highest-profile HD DVD release of the year. Most viewers probably won't even notice the missing lossless track, but its omission will surely annoy audiophiles and videophiles. I have no idea what was behind Paramount's decision. Perhaps they didn't have room on the disc for the track; perhaps they figured there wasn't a big enough audience for it; perhaps they think there is no discernable difference in sound quality between TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus; or perhaps they just made a mistake and forgot it. I don't know. I do know that in every past instance where I've had a chance instantly to compare the two audio formats, I have always found differences in the sound quality; not always big differences, but always differences. And I have always favored the slightly smoother, less bright, and less forward sound of TrueHD over DD+. But I may be among the few who hear such differences or care about them. In any case, it seems to me to have been an unwise decision for Paramount to leave off a TrueHD track if for no other reason than public relations. It's good PR to have the track and bad PR to omit it, particularly on a blockbuster where many people perceive the sound as critical to the overall movie experience.

Be that as it may, what we do have, Dolby Digital Plus 5.1, is plenty good enough, and since there is nothing with which to compare it, we will never know if TrueHD could have sounded any better. The DD+ produces room-rumbling bass, with a strong, well-focused impact; midrange of remarkable clarity; and treble that glistens. The front-channel stereo spread is wide, and the filmmakers take all the advantage they can of the surrounds. Rousing, pinpoint directional sounds from all five main speakers do a lot a to sell the show. I can't imagine anyone complaining about the audio on this one.

Extras:
The sheer quantity of extras will thrill fans of the film, I'm sure, especially as most of them are in high definition. Non-fans, however, may simply see them as more of the same. Disc one includes the feature film; twenty-three scene selections; English, French, and Spanish spoken languages; English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese subtitles; and English captions for the hearing impaired. In addition, there is a commentary by director Michael Bay in which the filmmaker seems to me a somewhat immodest fellow and his comments often self-serving. Then there is "Paramount HD Connect" for further on-line features. And, of greatest use, "Transformers H.U.D.," a "Heads Up Display" that is essentially like WB's picture-in-picture "In-Movie Experience" and features various pop-up bits of trivia about the film as well as shots of the filmmakers discussing various scenes as the scenes are playing out.

Disc two includes a number of other bonus items, divided into several categories: "Our World," "Their War," "More Than Meets the Eye," trailers, and the like, mostly, as I say, in HD. In "Our World" we find "The Story Sparks" (HD), "Human Allies" (HD), "I Fight Giant Robots" (HD), and
"Battleground" (HD), segments that one can play separately or all at once. Together, they total about forty-nine minutes and provide information on the origins of the movie, the actors, the military background, and the special effects in the battle scenes.

In "Their War" we find "Rise of the Robots" (HD), "Autobots Roll Out" (HD), "Decepticons Strike" (HD), and "Inside the AllSpark" (HD), about sixty-five minutes total, covering the background of the toys and cartoons and the special effects of the cars and such. In this section we also find "Transformers Tech Inspector," where we can look at each of the autobots up close in an interactive mode.

Then, in "More Than Meets the Eye" we find a nine-minute segment called "From Script to Sand: The Skorponok Desert Attack" (HD) and, better, a series of beautiful concept art (HD). Also on disc two, we find trailers--two theatrical trailers and a teaser trailer, all in HD. Lastly, I understand there is a series of Easter eggs in the set: a Michael Bay cameo appearance, "Bay Bot," "Girl in Dress," and "Casting Mojo."

The two-disc HD case comes housed in an attractive slipcover. But here's the thing: The thin, translucent-plastic slipcover contains all the disc details printed on it. The HD case itself has a cover with nothing written on it front or back, only the title on the spine. Therefore, if you want to know what's in the case, you have to use the slipcover, something I don't generally do and resent being forced to do. I usually leave slipcovers in a drawer upstairs because I see no need for them in my collection. Except in this event.

Parting Thoughts:
It's huge; it's loud; and it's filled with things that crash and blow up in glorious high-definition picture and sound. "Transformers" is everything you expect from a colossal summertime blockbuster. Looking for logic, sense, reason, even sanity in a story based on a children's toy would stretching a point. The movie is for the eye and the ear, not the brain. It turned out a lot better than I thought by looking and sounding so good in HD, so give it some credit. Big, dumb, and attractive in this case is probably good enough.

As Mikaela says, "This car's a pretty good driver."

Video 8
Audio 10
Extras 8
Film value 6
 

msdstc

Incredibly Naive
jesus 68:32 with no real big releases. The week after the next there's some SERIOUS trouble down the road for HD-DVD. Spiderman 1, 2 and 3 on the 30th. Cars and ratatouille after that, die hard 1 2 3 and 4 after that. Pretty much every week all the way up to christmas has some seriously big titles on it, especially december 4th, which is something like pirates 3, superbad, mr and mrs. smith etc. Next nielsens should be interesting with transformers.
 
msdstc said:
jesus 68:32 with no real big releases. The week after the next there's some SERIOUS trouble down the road for HD-DVD. Spiderman 1, 2 and 3 on the 30th. Cars and ratatouille after that, die hard 1 2 3 and 4 after that. Pretty much every week all the way up to christmas has some seriously big titles on it, especially december 4th, which is something like pirates 3, superbad, mr and mrs. smith etc. Next nielsens should be interesting with transformers.

Don't forget the PS3 imminent price drop (though of course the hd crew still like to pretend that they do not count as blu ray players :lol ) as well as the first releases with full pip.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
msdstc said:
jesus 68:32 with no real big releases.

Was that a joke? Did you miss FF4-2? A day and date of a blockbuster movie that fits in with the Ps3 demographic? Sure, it's not on scale with Transformers/Shrek and PoTC/Spiderman, but don't make such a dumb statement.

BTW, next week's numbers will not feature Transformers. They'll be based off these releases:


HD DVD

* Evan Almighty (Universal)
* Twilight Zone: The Movie (Warner)


and

Blu Ray

* 28 Days Later (Fox)
* 28 Weeks Later (Fox)
* Edward Scissorhands (Fox)
* The Fly (1986) (Fox)
* From Hell (Fox)
* Nature's Journey (Koch Distributing)
* Reign Over Me (Sony)
* RoboCop (MGM)
* Surf's Up (Sony)
* Twilight Zone: The Movie (Warner)


So expect another 68/32 or above week.
 
Serious question here...what will it take for most of you red team folks to say "ok this is hopeless"?

Transformers comes out this week with really no competition, most of the other movies are dual format for the week so HD has every possible chance.
The HD group insists that hd hardware is beating blu ray hardware (of course there is a huge * there) so what will it take?

Heroes didn't do it, the "superior" 300 didn't do it, if Transformers can't do it with bluray's hands tied behind it's back what can?
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
OokieSpookie said:
I don't know, the last I checked it was still two sides both trying to win though hey I may have missed a memo...

yes, im sure toshiba will pack up shop if i turn in my red jacket.
 
StoOgE said:
yes, im sure toshiba will pack up shop if i turn in my red jacket.

I am not referring to most, I am referring to those who would come on here and continually post stupid articles and insist that blu ray was now doomed especially after the Paramount deal usually followed by a ton of emotes and whatnot.
 

thaivo

Member
OokieSpookie said:
Serious question here...what will it take for most of you red team folks to say "ok this is hopeless"?
I like how you assume that us HD DVD supporters are just ignoring some evident facts, and are delusional or something. :lol You may remember that at one time this thread was called the Blu-ray take over thread... then the Paramount announcement came out, and it became the Bluray/HD DVD thread. I think the people that are fooling themselves are those that think HD DVD is on the brink of failure. You seem to be tired of the fact that we actually like our players, and are enjoying them.

What puzzles me most about this whole HDM war is if someone actually saw BD and HD side by side, why on earth would they choose to pay almost twice as much for a BD player. It's like they enjoy being fleeced. :lol

I'm very curious to see what happens when the profile 1.1 and 2.0 players come out. If they are reasonably priced, then that will be a boon to BD... however, if they are more expensive than the existing BD players, the CE manufacturers that support BD have just taken a big step backwards. The $399 PS3 is a better step towards affordable BD, too bad that even at that price it's still $250 (150%) more than I paid for my stand-a-lone HD DVD player.

I haven't been really participating in this thread lately due to university, work, family, and time spent actually watching movies... but I have no doubt that come January, the nature of this thread will likely not change that much... unless Warner goes exclusive to either side.

Transformers comes out this week with really no competition, most of the other movies are dual format for the week so HD has every possible chance.
The HD group insists that hd hardware is beating blu ray hardware (of course there is a huge * there) so what will it take?
Perhaps it is your phrasing, but how is any of what you just said indicative of a "hopeless" state for HD DVD? I know one thing... that come Tuesday night, and I'm watching this on my plasma, I won't feel very "hopeless." :D
transformers_HD_discs.jpg
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Heroes didn't do it, the "superior" 300 didn't do it, if Transformers can't do it with bluray's hands tied behind it's back what can?
Both Heroes and 300 sold pretty well by all accounts. Were you expecting a $99 TV show to set the world on fire?
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
OokieSpookie said:
Serious question here...what will it take for most of you red team folks to say "ok this is hopeless"?

Transformers comes out this week with really no competition, most of the other movies are dual format for the week so HD has every possible chance.
The HD group insists that hd hardware is beating blu ray hardware (of course there is a huge * there) so what will it take?

Heroes didn't do it, the "superior" 300 didn't do it, if Transformers can't do it with bluray's hands tied behind it's back what can?


I want an 80:20 week, if only for the theatrics on here and AVS :)


tempted to buy blade runner. Whats the difference between the case and the normal release? Don't care about the packaging, does the case have genuine added value on the discs?
 

YYZ

Junior Member
Man I really liked Transformers too, fucking lame. Consumers lose out in the end.

Anyone know the total sales for 300 on either format? How much do you expect Transformers to do? I think the moneyhat was well worth it for Paramount. IIRC, some sales numbers are in the low thousands which is pathetic compared to DVD.
 

djkimothy

Member
YYZ said:
Man I really liked Transformers too, fucking lame. Consumers lose out in the end.

Anyone know the total sales for 300 on either format? How much do you expect Transformers to do? I think the moneyhat was well worth it for Paramount. IIRC, some sales numbers are in the low thousands which is pathetic compared to DVD.

Together 300 has reach the 400k milestone with BD outelling 2:1. So you can make your estimates there.
 

Xater

Member
mrklaw said:
Tempted to buy blade runner. Whats the difference between the case and the normal release? Don't care about the packaging, does the case have genuine added value on the discs?

As I understand it it's all the same discs just witht he case and other crap like promotional pictures and stuff. It's kinda like those boxes Warner did for movies like Full Metal Jacket witht he standard DVD but with all those crap in the box.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
OokieSpookie said:
Serious question here...what will it take for most of you red team folks to say "ok this is hopeless"?

If they had faith when the only exclusive HD DVD studio was Universal and the best Q4 title they could have was Bourne then I don't see any of the die hards here losing faith any time soon now that Paramount is on board for at least a year.
 

MechDX

Member
djkimothy said:
Together 300 has reach the 400k milestone with BD outelling 2:1. So you can make your estimates there.


Thats why this "war" is still going on. That is your best title and it hasnt broke half a million yet. I saw a break down somewhere that had the 10 best selling HD media with 300 at the top but 2-10 were all less than that, way less.

Also Warner has publicaly stated many times that Planet Earth HD DVD has outsold its BD counterpart.


Until you get into sales numbers that can not be overcome in a couple weeks this war will not end. Or until Warner goes HD DVD exclusive and Disney goes format neutral.:lol
 

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Have a Blessed Day
YYZ said:
Man I really liked Transformers too, fucking lame. those wanting a blu ray version lose out in the end.

Fixed that up a bit for ya cause I am a consumer and I along with many other consumers will be consumerizing Transformers on Tuesday and funny thing that we're not getting that lose-y feeling you speak of.
 

gkryhewy

Member
OokieSpookie said:
Serious question here...what will it take for most of you red team folks to say "ok this is hopeless"?

Why is this bullshit okay here, but the equivalent question about a certain game console is off-limits on the other side?

I can't wait for an affordable dual-format player - the e-penis waving is getting really old.
 

womfalcs3

Banned
So is Sony releasing a Spider-Man 3 package that only involves a single disc? I don't want to spend more than $30 on it.

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Also, why isn't The Polar Express coming out on HD-DVD too? Is this like the Matrix Trilogy thing where time exclusivity is playing a role?
 

MechDX

Member
womfalcs3 said:
So is Sony releasing a Spider-Man 3 package that only involves a single disc? I don't want to spend more than $30 on it.

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Also, why isn't The Polar Express coming out on HD-DVD too? Is this like the Matrix Trilogy thing where time exclusivity is playing a role?


Polar Express was released on HD DVD last year. I bought it in November 06.:lol
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Oni Jazar said:
If they had faith when the only exclusive HD DVD studio was Universal and the best Q4 title they could have was Bourne then I don't see any of the die hards here losing faith any time soon now that Paramount is on board for at least a year.

I think you forgot the word "exclusive" somewhere in there for Q4 titles because we were ALWAYS going to get Transformers, Harry Potter, Shrek, etc.

This is why the fanboyism here is so annoying sometimes. HD DVD still has the same amount of movies coming that they did pre-announcement. It's the Blu Ray fans that are being deprived now of the Paramount/Dreamworks stuff.

It's silly, because even while Transformers "slaughters" the rest of next week's HD software, and even while PoTC, Spiderman, etc. do the same thing on the BR side, BOTH sides will have great content to play.

It's not like a 70/30 week is going to prevent me from enjoying the movies that get released on HD DVD.

Until they start canceling movies on either side due to lagging sales (something that has actually happened on the console side with Ps3), nobody here has anything to worry about and the "flag waving" is just retarded fanboy talk.

edit:

Polar Express HD DVD $18.95
 
Well, I think Ookie's question is dubious, since he doesn't define "give up" but at the saem time, we've gone over why this isn't analogous to console war discussion several times now. Unless you support the notion of format-exclusive media outside of videogames, it's dumb to have two long-term formats (unless there are absolutely no exclusives at all).
 
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I just wanted to come here and say that I want to have sex with her. And if she says no, I'll assume I'm deaf from blasting 100dbl+ from my HT Setup, knock her down with the bass from my suubwoofers and have sex with her anyway.
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
gkrykewy said:
Why is this bullshit okay here, but the equivalent question about a certain game console is off-limits on the other side?

The same reason you can talk about pirating movies, cds, anime, and everything else on this side. Mention pirating games on the Gaming Side and it's lights out. Just the nature of the two forums. Just deal.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
VanMardigan said:
I think you forgot the word "exclusive" somewhere in there for Q4 titles because we were ALWAYS going to get Transformers, Harry Potter, Shrek, etc.

I did say "exclusive" in the beginning of that sentence. Of course those titles would have come out on HD DVD but the format as a whole would have been 90% redundant. Now that HD DVD has Paramount, Dreamwords and Universal it's not as bad but back then I would have been extremely confident that CES '08 would have signaled the end of this stupid war.
 

VanMardigan

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