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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
I think part of the problem is that they didn't use the more efficient VC-1 to compress the movie for whatever reason. Plus, the movie apparently has a TON of extras, and some in HD as well, plus the iME stuff which should be awesome.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
VanMardigan said:
I think part of the problem is that they didn't use the more efficient VC-1 to compress the movie for whatever reason. Plus, the movie apparently has a TON of extras, and some in HD as well, plus the iME stuff which should be awesome.

True enough, VC1 is significantly more efficient codec. But like Ive been saying DD+ while not "lossless" is a great codec.
 
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=30988

The Video:
For my day job, I work at a movie theater. I was there when Transformers opened. Michael Bay came to our theater personally and told us that we had the best presentation of any theater in Los Angeles. Later, when Transformers got an IMAX release, Michael Bay chose our theater to take his friends and family to. I have seen the film under scrupulously calibrated conditions and have in fact assisted with said calibrations. I have seen and ran the movie in 35mm and 2K digital, and watched it several times in IMAX. I don't say this to gloat, but rather to inform all of you that I know a hell of a lot about the technical presentation of Transformers.

With that in mind, this 2.35:1 AVC-encoded 1080p transfer is about the best home video representation of Transformers that you can expect to see for a very, very long time. The movie had an incredible digital interpositive made that became the source of the digital prints, IMAX prints, and presumably this HD DVD. I could make out every detail that I saw in the theaters, including the Cybertronian characters etched into the bodies of the Autobots and Decepticons. Color reproduction was perfect. Bay shot the film with many orange and blue hues, and this transfer does not wipe those away in favor of a more neutral palette. The movie was also much grainier than most people probably noticed, but we get all the grain just as if we were seeing it in the theater. What most impressed me that Paramount made no changes to this transfer was that in the film, many of the blacks are actually a dark blue. Same thing on the disc. There were no artifacts or other compression problems that I could find, including during sunset sequences, which are notoriously difficult to compress.

In other words, this transfer maintains all the character and vivaciousness of the theatrical exhibition. I watched several sequences from this disc in a screening room at Paramount, and if someone had told me I was watching an actual print of the movie, I would have believed them. That's how good it looks. While at times Bay's shooting style may be a little too grainy or dirty for aficionados who want nothing but a crystal clear image that looks like it was shot with the latest HD cameras, there's no doubt in my mind that this is exactly what both formats should be aiming for: A perfect recreation of the filmmakers' intentions.

The Audio:
Although Paramount has used lossless audio on a few of their other releases, the space of everything they wanted to include in this set meant that instead of including a Dolby True HD or a DTS-HD MA track, they went for a Dolby Digital Plus track encoded at 1.5 mbps. There's been a lot of buzz about the difference between 1.5 mbps DD+ and Dolby True HD, with many knowledgeable people saying that there is no audible difference even on professional equipment, while others claim to be able to hear the difference right in their own homes. I was very vocal about my outrage that Transformers, which aims to be a benchmark HD DVD, does not feature a lossless track of any kind. But now, having heard the audio for myself, I can understand why professional film mixers, HD DVD technical directors, and more claim that the difference is negligible.

Put simply, this 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus rocks hard. The level of aural detail is most impressive. I could hear every click and whine of the transforming parts, the grinding of metal when the robots fought, and even the startup sound of the 360 when it comes alive. During big action sequences, the surrounds were often used to assault the senses, but I noticed that the mixers would often use the rears for isolated sounds that they wanted to highlight, such as Frenzy's gibbering when he's on Air Force One. The bass has to be felt to be believed. At times it was so thunderous that I thought it might actually affect my bowels. Everything about this track just screams "REFERENCE!" and it holds up easily to the best PCM and True HD mixes that I have heard. Call me a doubter no more.

C O N T E N T 4/5
V I D E O 5/5
A U D I O 5/5
E X T R A S 5/5
R E P L A Y 4 and a half/5
A D V I C E DVD Talk Collector Series
 

Oni Jazar

Member
Ah I folded and picked up the Prestige and Finding Neverland for $23. This BOGO deal is excellent. To sum up:

Bestbuy - Many titles, better selection than Circuit City
CircuitCity - Titles that Bestbuy doesn't have, but the selection is weak, also seems vary by location
Fry's - Quite a few $9.99 deals instore, BOGO deal also online - Online is soldout for most movies, but can still backorder
Amazon - Has the cheapest selection and only Disney / Buena Vista movies.

Here is the Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.ht...4?ie=UTF8&plgroup=1&docId=1000146321&plpage=1

Also if you have a chance, check your local Circuit City! There have been reports of stores offering a buy-one-get-one-free deal for ALL Blu-ray titles, not just disney. They probably won't know it over the phone, you need to scan the titles at the registry and the discount will ring up.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
So is this some sort of attempt by the BDA to manipulate the software ratios on the week Transformers comes out? Otherwise, what's the significance of timing the sales for this week?

Those are some outstanding offers.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
VanMardigan said:
So is this some sort of attempt by the BDA to manipulate the software ratios on the week Transformers comes out? Otherwise, what's the significance of timing the sales for this week?

Those are some outstanding offers.
:lol

I couldnt care less, im glad i decided to wait till i got paid this week to buy a bunch of stuff, the deals really helped out!
 

Ponn

Banned
VanMardigan said:
So is this some sort of attempt by the BDA to manipulate the software ratios on the week Transformers comes out? Otherwise, what's the significance of timing the sales for this week?

Those are some outstanding offers.

Holidays. If i'm thinking of getting a player for myself or a gift i'm going to want the best possible deals on movies. Hell i've been debating getting a BRD or HD-DVD for my mom for christmas and this deal is starting to swing me. I can pick up quite a lot of movies she loves cheap here (and some for me of course:D
 

nofi

Member
VanMardigan said:
So is this some sort of attempt by the BDA to manipulate the software ratios on the week Transformers comes out? Otherwise, what's the significance of timing the sales for this week?

Those are some outstanding offers.

Wow, the Amazon prices are less than half what we'd pay in the UK, AND it's buy-one-get-one-free?

I'm moving. Get me a ticket.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
VanMardigan said:
So is this some sort of attempt by the BDA to manipulate the software ratios on the week Transformers comes out? Otherwise, what's the significance of timing the sales for this week?

Those are some outstanding offers.

very likely the case, and very smart planning.

If they can get people who normally wont pay 20+ dollars for a movie to buy some stuff (POTC) etc they may be able to bump off Transformers.

If they can "win" this week, it would be pretty significant as far as being able to release PR. Does it make a real difference in the end? Probably not... but winning mindshare might help move consumers off the fence.

Wonder if the HDDVD group will make a similar move to counteract this?
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Man, between Transformers and the Kubrik movies, Im about to drop some serious scratch on movies this week.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
VanMardigan said:
So is this some sort of attempt by the BDA to manipulate the software ratios on the week Transformers comes out? Otherwise, what's the significance of timing the sales for this week?

Those are some outstanding offers.

I believe that is exactly what this is.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
so apparantly 12 monkeys is available on bluray from germany, and its region free so will play on region A or B machines.

Is there a review of the quality anywhere? Cause I love this movie and it was one of the first HDDVDs I bought. But now that I sold my HDDVD player it'd be great if I could get it again.
 

NekoFever

Member
StoOgE said:
True enough, VC1 is significantly more efficient codec. But like Ive been saying DD+ while not "lossless" is a great codec.
Well yeah, in practice there's very little difference to most people between a 320kbps MP3 and a WAV file (or FLAC, etc). That doesn't mean I'd buy a CD with an album in MP3 form when uncompressed/lossless is available, though.

But again, 5/5 from two sites now. I need to stop complaining so damn much.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
mrklaw said:
so apparantly 12 monkeys is available on bluray from germany, and its region free so will play on region A or B machines.

Is there a review of the quality anywhere? Cause I love this movie and it was one of the first HDDVDs I bought. But now that I sold my HDDVD player it'd be great if I could get it again.

I would imagine it looks kinda meh, just like the HDDVD. The style it was shot in just isnt going to lend itself to looking wow and 3d like. That said, its a huge step up from the DVD in detail, I'd jump all over it.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
It may well be, but it worked. I picked up several movies on-the-cheap that I would not have paid full price for.

You're not kidding. I'd jump all over this if they had a similar offering for HD DVD. I hope the HD DVD group throws us a bone in response, I'd love to pick up my 20th HD DVD title. :D

And knowing how small the market is right now, it's obvious that this type of sale can have a significant impact on software ratios.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Outdoor Miner said:
The Amazon bluray deal is not working. I put Pirates 1 and Prestige in my cart and it charges me fully for both. Boo.
It doesnt show up till you go to checkout and it will say "promotion added"
 
captive said:
It doesnt show up till you go to checkout and it will say "promotion added"

Nope, not doing it for me. Does it matter that I'm an Amazon Prime member? 'Cause when I log into a non-prime account, it does work.

Well this blows, I like my 2-day free shipping. :lol
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Outdoor Miner said:
Nope, not doing it for me. Does it matter that I'm an Amazon Prime member? 'Cause when I log into a non-prime account, it does work.

Well this blows, I like my 2-day free shipping. :lol
Idunno i ordered 2 movies with 2 free and im a prime member and it showed promotion added of like 44 dollars on top of the 10% off for the movies.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
Outdoor Miner said:
Nope, not doing it for me. Does it matter that I'm an Amazon Prime member? 'Cause when I log into a non-prime account, it does work.

Well this blows, I like my 2-day free shipping. :lol

Amazon prime shouldn't matter. Did you try the link I had above? It's makes using the deal very clear.
 

DoubleTap

Member
Picked up POTC 1 and 2 and The Prestige @ my local Fry's. The good thing about Fry's is you don't need to buy a pair. The Disney BD's are priced @ $13.49. Also picked up HDDVD's Top Gun and Untouchables for 13.50 each (Fry's only promo). On a side note Is it me or is it coincidental that Disney would do a promo to bump up BD sales right before Transformers hits?
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
VanMardigan said:
You're not kidding. I'd jump all over this if they had a similar offering for HD DVD. I hope the HD DVD group throws us a bone in response, I'd love to pick up my 20th HD DVD title. :D

I keep hoping for HD-equivalent sales whenever these Blu-Ray deals show up, but it rarely happens. Aside from the Amazon offer last month, the only other place that ever has any significant HD-DVD promotion is Fry's, and those are only applicable to a small part of the country. It's quite annoying.

Either way, I just received my 20th HD title today: Mutiny On the Bounty, and man, is it gorgeous. Warner's high-def work on their classics is nothing short of astonishing.
 

mollipen

Member
StoOgE said:
True enough, VC1 is significantly more efficient codec.

Uhm, do you have proof to back that statement? VC1, in every test I've seen where it was put against h.264, has done better in some ways, worse in others. "Significantly more efficient" is kind of reaching I'd say, unless you've seen some tests that I haven't.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Cosmic Bus said:
I keep hoping for HD-equivalent sales whenever these Blu-Ray deals show up, but it rarely happens. Aside from the Amazon offer last month, the only other place that ever has any significant HD-DVD promotion is Fry's, and those are only applicable to a small part of the country. It's quite annoying.

Either way, I just received my 20th HD title today: Mutiny On the Bounty, and man, is it gorgeous. Warner's high-def work on their classics is nothing short of astonishing.

No joke. The BD promotion group does a better job paying for sales on media, thats for sure. The HDDVD sales, for the most part, have been on select movies that dont sell well.. except for that one amazon sale, I dont think they've really put movies on sale.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Best Buy has the HD DVD Toshiba Laptop for $999 with two free movies that you pick. My brother is looking for a laptop, so I'll definitely push him in that direction.
 

Xisiqomelir

Member
VanMardigan said:
Best Buy has the HD DVD Toshiba Laptop for $999 with two free movies that you pick. My brother is looking for a laptop, so I'll definitely push him in that direction.

Speaking of this, I want Apple to start offering BD drives so I can buy a new 17" MBP.
 

dankir

Member
StoOgE said:
Man, between Transformers and the Kubrik movies, Im about to drop some serious scratch on movies this week.


Tell me about it, I'm going to pick up Transformers on HD DVD tomorrow. Futureshop is having buy1 get 1 free on its Disney movies this week gonna get both Pirates movies as well for 30 bucks. Anybody have the Chicken little Blu Ray? I saw it in theaters thinking about picking it up with another film.

http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/...e=1&PCName=BOGObluray&catid=&logon=&langid=EN

thats the list what do you guys suggest?

I'm getting both Pirates movies for sure and Chicken little. Now I need another film. I already have The Prestige, suggestions please!
 

NekoFever

Member
I got home to find that my Transformers HD DVD (and Apocalypto Blu-ray which I'd thrown into the same order) had turned up :D

It looks and sounds lovely. I just did a skip through some of the action scenes because I want to polish off the last disc of Band of Brothers before I spend some proper time with TF and the bonus features on there.

I still don't like the cover art though. It's like they just couldn't be bothered :lol
 

dankir

Member
NekoFever said:
I got home to find that my Transformers HD DVD (and Apocalypto Blu-ray which I'd thrown into the same order) had turned up :D

It looks and sounds lovely. I just did a skip through some of the action scenes because I want to polish off the last disc of Band of Brothers before I spend some proper time with TF and the bonus features on there.

I still don't like the cover art though. It's like they just couldn't be bothered :lol


I love the Cover Art, the DVD special edition is too busy, this one is clean and simple.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
There seems to be an additional Blu-ray Sale going on at Best Buy. There are select titles going for $14.99 until tuesday:

Big Fish
Black Hawk Down *
Cruel Intentions
Curse Of The Golden Flower*
Donnie Brasco
Few Good Men
Fifth Element*
Final Fantasy: Spirits Withen
Flatliners
House Of Flying Daggers*
Immortal Beloved
Into The Blue
Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle*
Layer Cake*
Memento
Patriot
Resident Evil: Apocalypse*
Replacement Killers*
Hell Boy*
Stealth
Tears of The Sun*
Terminator
Wild Things*
XXX

*titles are $10 @ Frys.
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
For what it's worth, FYE is advertising Transformers HD at $26.99 (before any reabtes, to boot), which is better than anyone online -- unless you factor in the 10% Amazon discount some people have.
 

dankir

Member
Oni Jazar said:
There seems to be an additional Blu-ray Sale going on at Best Buy. There are select titles going for $14.99 until tuesday:

Big Fish
Black Hawk Down *
Cruel Intentions
Curse Of The Golden Flower*
Donnie Brasco
Few Good Men
Fifth Element*
Final Fantasy: Spirits Withen
Flatliners
House Of Flying Daggers*
Immortal Beloved
Into The Blue
Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle*
Layer Cake*
Memento
Patriot
Resident Evil: Apocalypse*
Replacement Killers*
Hell Boy*
Stealth
Tears of The Sun*
Terminator
Wild Things*
XXX

*titles are $10 @ Frys.

Wow that list is fucking awesome, wish we had Frys in Montreal.
 
Oni Jazar said:
There seems to be an additional Blu-ray Sale going on at Best Buy. There are select titles going for $14.99 until tuesday:

Big Fish
Black Hawk Down *
Cruel Intentions
Curse Of The Golden Flower*
Donnie Brasco
Few Good Men
Fifth Element*
Final Fantasy: Spirits Withen
Flatliners
House Of Flying Daggers*
Immortal Beloved
Into The Blue
Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle*
Layer Cake*
Memento
Patriot
Resident Evil: Apocalypse*
Replacement Killers*
Hell Boy*
Stealth
Tears of The Sun*
Terminator
Wild Things*
XXX

*titles are $10 @ Frys.

I still need to pick up Cruel Intentions, such a fabulous guilty pleasure movie.
 
Yeah, I got Donnie Brasco and Kung-Fu Hustle at Best Buy when I was there. I didn't notice some of those others being on sale, I may need to go back!
 

djkimothy

Member
LOL, will this sale help BDA achieve the weekly win when Transformers hits?

The sale would be tempting if it wasn't for the fact that I own the titles that I want on that list.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
djkimothy said:
LOL, will this sale help BDA achieve the weekly win when Transformers hits?

The sale would be tempting if it wasn't for the fact that I own the titles that I want on that list.
is amazon counted in the numbers? Thats where i got all mine from.
 
It's definitely a counter to keep Transformers from ruining a flawless year for BD. It may work but it will be a close week, for sure.

I dove into the BOGO deal. Picked up POTC:2 and Gone in 60. Still making my way through Planet Earth from last week. Gonna try Best Buy to see if they have any deals as well.
 

Trevelyan

Banned
Oni Jazar said:
There seems to be an additional Blu-ray Sale going on at Best Buy. There are select titles going for $14.99 until tuesday:

Big Fish
Black Hawk Down *
Cruel Intentions
Curse Of The Golden Flower*
Donnie Brasco
Few Good Men
Fifth Element*
Final Fantasy: Spirits Withen
Flatliners
House Of Flying Daggers*
Immortal Beloved
Into The Blue
Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle*
Layer Cake*
Memento
Patriot
Resident Evil: Apocalypse*
Replacement Killers*
Hell Boy*
Stealth
Tears of The Sun*
Terminator
Wild Things*
XXX

*titles are $10 @ Frys.

Oh damn, that list kicks ass. I may just have to pick up Hellboy and Fifth Element now.
 

NekoFever

Member
dankir said:
I love the Cover Art, the DVD special edition is too busy, this one is clean and simple.
It looks alright with the slipcase on, if nothing spectacular. If they want to keep it clean they could have used the awesome teaser poster:

11lmsuw.jpg
 

djkimothy

Member
captive said:
is amazon counted in the numbers? Thats where i got all mine from.

I don't know. I was under the impression, no. But some people at AVS were including them or mentioned that Amazon's number did count...
 

Jim

Member
djkimothy said:
I don't know. I was under the impression, no. But some people at AVS were including them or mentioned that Amazon's number did count...

I think that Amazon and some other outlets were added to the numbers somewhat recently.
 
I was watching a blu ray the other day and I added a Y cable to my sub instead of just the one sub cable connecting to the sub. Does this make any difference what so ever? I kinda feel like its more echo-y.. Any advice? I thought it would get more impact cause its only a 10" but im not sure.
 
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