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[Raistlin]

PLEASE don't start with the PS3 sales figures, the about of people who buy a PS3 for Movies is going to be pretty small(smaller than the amount who buy games So you KNOW thats small) but anyone buying a stand-alone IS BUYING it for movies.

So there's no one in the middle? All or nothing you say? meh.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Good luck with that.

Baring a screw up, it ain't likely.

I've screwed over Best Buy countless times. I think drohne has a very good shot.

Edit: Nevermind, didn't know about the policy against Wal-Mart.

 

[JCBossman]

So there's no one in the middle? All or nothing you say? meh.

No what I am saying is that Studios need to get "Movie Fans" interested in HD, notice I said Movie Fans and Not AVS FORUM Video Buffs, you know the REGULAR folks who rent or BUY movies WEEKLY.A cheap stand alone does that, I know ALOT of Adults who could give two shits about playing VG's but LOVE (and buy a shitload) of movies

 

[Snah]

The blu-ray numbers aren't pathetic, and they're actually outpacing DVD relative to a similar lifetime since its inception. Moreover, anyone who buys a high end videogame machine with an HDTV is also likely to be into movies, and by extension purchase blu-ray discs.

This one day 99 dollar HD-DVD deal does nothing, and only signals a continuing lack of interest in the format, despite being significantly cheaper than Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray is deemed legitimate because it's packed into the PS3 as standard, and this is a public perception regardless of whether or not one owns a PS3.

I'm not biting on the HD-DVD deal. I don't like supporting inferior stop-gap formats. Warner wants sales to decide this Holiday season? I'm only buying blu.

 

[Raistlin]

People may not realize that this truely is the deciding holiday for the format war.

I'm not sure how anyone can say that with confidence though. What historical precedence is there for this situation? When have we seen a format war that required a device (HDTV) that is still being transitioned into?

HDTV's are still in the minority. And even looking at the current install base is misleading. Due to historic HDTV pricing, a fair chunk of the models people own are smallish; CRT's, small panels, etc. So we can't necessarily assume how many current owners will feel the need to go beyond DVD at this juncture. Obviously, HDTV pricing continues to evolve, but there is still some time left before moving into a situation where a large part of the population hungers HD media (IMO at least).



Now, that isn't to say the studios may shift and 'decide' the format war for us (WB has insinuated they could end up doing this). However, if things are left as they are now by the studios ... I'm not sure we'll see the numbers necessary for either format to 'win' based on this holiday.

 

[JCBossman]

The blu-ray numbers aren't pathetic, and they're actually outpacing DVD relative to a similar lifetime since its inception. Moreover, anyone who buys a high end videogame machine with an HDTV is also likely to be into movies, and by extension purchase blu-ray discs.

This one day 99 dollar HD-DVD deal does nothing, and only signals a continuing lack of interest in the format, despite being significantly cheaper than Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray is deemed legitimate because it's packed into the PS3 as standard, and this is a public perception regardless of whether or not one owns a PS3.

I'm not biting on the HD-DVD deal. I don't like supporting inferior stop-gap formats. Warner wants sales to decide this Holiday season? I'm only buying blu.

Well I am ONLY buying HD-DVD and you wanna Know why, because the Blu-Ray camp hasn't seen fit to offer a CHEAP player.And What is this "Stopgap Format" SHIT, HD-DVD IS the true successor to DVD. You can see this in the Hybrid discs that ONLY HD-DVD has.

 

[BeEatNU]

nvm

 

[OokieSpookie]

The blu-ray numbers aren't pathetic, and they're actually outpacing DVD relative to a similar lifetime since its inception. Moreover, anyone who buys a high end videogame machine with an HDTV is also likely to be into movies, and by extension purchase blu-ray discs.

This one day 99 dollar HD-DVD deal does nothing, and only signals a continuing lack of interest in the format, despite being significantly cheaper than Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray is deemed legitimate because it's packed into the PS3 as standard, and this is a public perception regardless of whether or not one owns a PS3.

I'm not biting on the HD-DVD deal. I don't like supporting inferior stop-gap formats. Warner wants sales to decide this Holiday season? I'm only buying blu.

Eh do not worry about the dvd thing, it is kind of the go to card for some people it seems when they can not come up with anything honestly useful.

As far as the A2 goes, I have no doubt the will sell out and I am already waiting for the comedy of the usual people who will stop up and make a big deal out of the fact and then disappear again when it has no real markable effect.
I would say 30% of these drives will get into the hands of those that they should, 20% will end up in the hands of people that already have HD-DVD players and the rest will end up on Ebay and Craigslist.

I honestly feel bad for the family that is getting into hd media for the first time, they get their player home and head to Blockbuster...
(Not trying to say anything really bad, but the general consumer who will stand in line for hours to shave some money off of the price of something is not really striking me as the person who would pay bluray or hd-dvd prices for movies enough to make a difference but that is just my opinion)

 

[Raistlin]

Well I am ONLY buying HD-DVD and you wanna Know why, because the Blu-Ray camp hasn't seen fit to offer a CHEAP player.And What is this "Stopgap Format" SHIT, HD-DVD IS the true successor to DVD

1) Actually, Toshiba is undercutting DVD player pricing at this point in HD DVD's life.


2) I'm personally concerned they are going too far with the pricing, at least from a CE standpoint. What CE company is going to try and compete against these sorts of prices? None, because they can't. That means, its either Toshiba ... or fairly high-end units (at this point, 1 or 2 hybrids ... and supposedly an Integra/Onkyo model?). There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.

If Toshiba made the best video players ever, it wouldn't matter. But they don't ... no one company typically does. Making matters worse, their Gen 3 lines is actually pretty fucked up. The two models that do offer 1080p have completely fubard image quality. :\



People keep complain that Sony is the one creating this format war ... and Toshiba is some benign entity. BDA has ALWAYS had more members, both studio and especially CE. Toshiba has turned HD DVD into a truly proprietary format. This is THEIR betamax. Other than 1 or 2 hybrids, exactly who has brought out HD DVD players? Toshiba. The 1 or 2 others (RCA, not sure if anyone else did?) were rebadged Toshiba units ... and have since been discontinued.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Well I am ONLY buying HD-DVD and you wanna Know why, because the Blu-Ray camp hasn't seen fit to offer a CHEAP player.And What is this "Stopgap Format" SHIT, HD-DVD IS the true successor to DVD. You can see this in the Hybrid discs that ONLY HD-DVD has.

Just wow...

 

[Warm Machine]

Warner has actually sort of already undermined the specialness of HD-DVD by doing those cheaper best of HD-DVD box sets. We shouldn't be going the route of triple feature DVD for $6 shit yet.

 

[Kolgar]

The blu-ray numbers aren't pathetic, and they're actually outpacing DVD relative to a similar lifetime since its inception. Moreover, anyone who buys a high end videogame machine with an HDTV is also likely to be into movies, and by extension purchase blu-ray discs.

Agreed. Well, for the most part.

This one day 99 dollar HD-DVD deal does nothing, and only signals a continuing lack of interest in the format, despite being significantly cheaper than Blu-Ray.

What.

Dude, it's Wal-Mart. And if I'm not mistaken, they just got interested.

Blu-Ray is deemed legitimate because it's packed into the PS3 as standard, and this is a public perception regardless of whether or not one owns a PS3.

Yes, because the general public takes their video-game toys very seriously and PS3 has proven an overwhelming success. :lol

edit: After reading your latest post, all I can say is I wish I hadn't wasted three minutes of my life replying to you. Dang, that ignore list is getting full tonight!

 

[Snah]

Well I am ONLY buying HD-DVD and you wanna Know why, because the Blu-Ray camp hasn't seen fit to offer a CHEAP player.And What is this "Stopgap Format" SHIT, HD-DVD IS the true successor to DVD. You can see this in the Hybrid discs that ONLY HD-DVD has.

Well that's obviously your decision. Frankly, I can afford to purchase a blu-ray player with my PS3 and consider it a much better value than a $99 HD-DVD player. Not only do you get the true successor to DVD with the Blu-Ray format, but you also get a gaming system and tremendous upscaling DVD player. Depending on the model purchased, you also get a PS1/PS2 player.

Can I ask you what HD-DVD player you purchased and how much it cost?

When I invest my money into that sort of comprehensive AV player, I feel my money is well spent. I just can't justify paying any money for HD-DVD at this point, especially given the fact that it's a dying format with inferior technical specifications and weaker studio support. Lower prices aren't going to save HD-DVD. At this point, I'm voting with my wallet and want Blu-Ray to win. Investing into HD-DVD will only elongate this needless war.

 

[favouriteflavour]

Moreover, anyone who buys a high end videogame machine with an HDTV is also likely to be into movies, and by extension purchase blu-ray discs.

.............................

I'm not biting on the HD-DVD deal. I don't like supporting inferior stop-gap formats. Warner wants sales to decide this Holiday season? I'm only buying blu...................................................................

I think the point being made is that the majority of people dont give a shit about games so wouldnt buy a high end games machine in the first place.

Also apart from storage capacity which will make little difference for movies and only really matter in a data storage perspective how is blu ray superior? Thats just bullshit. From a movie perspective they are more or less identical. No movies that are availiable on both formats are better from a picture and sound perspective than the other. Until that changes your statement that bluray is a superior movie format is just bullshit. In fact releases availiable on both formats generally have more additional features on HD DVD which is also region free something that is important to me as a consumer outside of the major markets. So what you need to do is shut the fuck up about this "superior format" bullshit.

 

[JCBossman]

Just wow...

No THIS, is just WOW:
Blu-Ray is deemed legitimate because it's packed into the PS3 as standard, and this is a public perception regardless of whether or not one owns a PS3.

Joe6Pack, Hey Martha, since we got one of those new fangled $500 LCD TV's maybe we should pick up a Hi-DEF player to play some of those movies on it?

Martha:Yeah lets get a Blu-Ray, because I've heard they are packed into the PS3, so I regrad it as a STANDARD!

Joe6Pack:What's a PS3?

Martha: It;s like our Wii at home but it's GOT teh CELL, many people also refer to it as a PsTriple!

 

[Snah]

I think the point being made is that the majority of people dont give a shit about games so wouldnt buy a high end games machine in the first place.

Also apart from storage capacity which will make little difference for movies and only really matter in a data storage perspective how is blu ray superior? Thats just bullshit. From a movie perspective they are more or less identical. No movies that are availiable on both formats are better from a picture and sound perspective than the other. Until that changes your statement that bluray is a superior movie format is just bullshit. In fact releases availiable on both formats generally have more additional features on HD DVD which is also region free something that is important to me as a consumer outside of the major markets. So what you need to do is shut the fuck up about this "superior format" bullshit.

The demographics overlap considerably, and I believe that by packaging them together you will broaden the appeal and it may incline people to either play games or play movies if they haven't in the past.

Storage capacity is important. Certainly having nearly double the capacity is not a trivial detail, and I think you're definitely seeing it in the quality of the releases and features of Blu-Ray movies relative to their HD-DVD peers. Your comment that no movies are 'superior' is questionable, and it also neglects the amount of extras you can put on a disc or the quality of the audio. Longer movies, for instance, benefit greatly by having the added storage space as do TV series.

If storage capacity didn't matter, we would all still be using CDs.

 

[Raistlin]

JCBossman,

Yeah ... J6P has never heard of the Playstation brand.

:\

 

[CajoleJuice]

The demographics overlap considerably, and I believe that by packaging them together you will broaden the appeal and it may incline people to either play games or play movies if they haven't in the past.

Storage capacity is important. Certainly having nearly double the capacity is not a trivial detail, and I think you're definitely seeing it in the quality of the releases and features of Blu-Ray movies relative to their HD-DVD peers. Your comment that no movies are 'superior' is questionable, and it also neglects the amount of extras you can put on a disc or the quality of the audio. Longer movies, for instance, benefit greatly by having the added storage space as do TV series.

If storage capacity didn't matter, we would all still be using CDs.

Isn't there another disc coming with even MORE storage capacity?

 

[Snah]

No THIS, is just WOW:
Blu-Ray is deemed legitimate because it's packed into the PS3 as standard, and this is a public perception regardless of whether or not one owns a PS3.

Joe6Pack, Hey Martha, since we got one of those new fangled $500 LCD TV's maybe we should pick up a Hi-DEF player to play some of those movies on it?

Martha:Yeah lets get a Blu-Ray, because I've heard they are packed into the PS3, so I regrad it as a STANDARD!

Joe6Pack:What's a PS3?

Martha: It;s like our Wii at home but it's GOT teh CELL, many people also refer to it as a PsTriple!

Playstation is a brand name, and the Playstation 3 is associate with Blu-Ray movies. HD enthusiasts know this, and people who research the PS3 will know this.

Joe6Pack and Martha, at this point, are not the ones buying HD movie players because: A) they don't own an HDTV B) they're still too expensive.

However, Joe6Pack and Martha do know about the PS3. They realize that they can't afford one, but they want one. They realize that Blu-Ray is the true successor because it's packed into the PS3.

 

[Snah]

Isn't there another disc coming with even MORE storage capacity?

There's always another format on the horizon that boasts of more storage capacity. For the time being, Blu-Ray provides ample space for this generation.

Perhaps in ten or so years Blu-Ray's successor will come out and support a new specification for TV standards.

 

[JCBossman]

JCBossman,

Yeah ... J6P has never heard of the Playstation brand.

:\

He heard of the PS3, but he BOUGHT a 360
Look at it this way, OVER 100 MILLION PS2's were sold, I bet you LESS than 5% of them are the Primary DVD player in use, in a household.It's because standalones got cheap so people put one next to every tv in their house. Blu-Ray is primarly(ON the Hardware front, a Sony thing) and Sony KNOWS a Cheap Player will undercut the PS3, but the amount of people who wanna play GAMES is Dwarfed by the amount of people who Like movies, so thats why I thing HD-DVD has a legitimate shot at being the king, the HD-DVD format has NO "Horse" in the VG business and can concentrate on getting cheap players into the movie fans hands.

 

[Alcibiades]

the big problem for Toshiba here is the fact that there are still numerous bugs and glitches... getting on the internet through routers is probably still not common for a lot of regular families if they have to mess with internal settings of the routers/players, plus I'm sure most people that have DVD players aren't aware of the concept of firmware upgrades...

As much as this deal may help sell players, it may turn off people that end up having trouble with them. The goal should be to get a truly finalized firmware on these A2's, or have some major indicators and flyers in the boxes reminding people about it...

 

[Stinkles]

Perhaps in ten or so years Blu-Ray's successor will come out and support a new specification for TV standards.

Christ, I hope not. :-(

 

[JCBossman]

When the ONLY practical way to get a player, is to buy a Video Game system, your FORMAT is in TROUBLE:lol

 

[favouriteflavour]

The demographics overlap considerably, and I believe that by packaging them together you will broaden the appeal and it may incline people to either play games or play movies if they haven't in the past.

Storage capacity is important. Certainly having nearly double the capacity is not a trivial detail, and I think you're definitely seeing it in the quality of the releases and features of Blu-Ray movies relative to their HD-DVD peers. Your comment that no movies are 'superior' is questionable, and it also neglects the amount of extras you can put on a disc or the quality of the audio. Longer movies, for instance, benefit greatly by having the added storage space as do TV series.

If storage capacity didn't matter, we would all still be using CDs.

we have a 2nd dvd for extras. People seem to think a second disc of extras is somehow a great deal even though studios charge for these extras. Personally extras are unimportant to me, I can see how some people like it though. Studios have no problem with multi disc releases especially since they make more money out of them.

edit: My comment that no movies availiable on both formats have a superior bluray version until one exists. Saying Spiderman 3 on bluray looks better than the wild bunch on HD DVD proves nothing in regards to which format is better for movie sound and picture. When a movie is released on both formats day and date and is superior on bluray I will concede. Until that happens they are so fucking similar its irrelevant.

 

[OokieSpookie]

No THIS, is just WOW:
Blu-Ray is deemed legitimate because it's packed into the PS3 as standard, and this is a public perception regardless of whether or not one owns a PS3.

Joe6Pack, Hey Martha, since we got one of those new fangled $500 LCD TV's maybe we should pick up a Hi-DEF player to play some of those movies on it?

Martha:Yeah lets get a Blu-Ray, because I've heard they are packed into the PS3, so I regrad it as a STANDARD!

Joe6Pack:What's a PS3?

Martha: It;s like our Wii at home but it's GOT teh CELL, many people also refer to it as a PsTriple!

Just my opinion, but it kind of looks like you are more in here to piss on the ps3 than you are to talk about high def media

 

[OokieSpookie]

When the ONLY practical way to get a player, is to buy a Video Game system, your FORMAT is in TROUBLE:lol

Actually 399 BR players are rolling out and if you think that it will be long before you see 299 than you really need to take off the gaming forum blinders

 

[Snah]

He heard of the PS3, but he BOUGHT a 360
Look at it this way, OVER 100 MILLION PS2's were sold, I bet you LESS than 5% of them are the Primary DVD player in use, in a household.It's because standalones got cheap so people put one next to every tv in their house. Blu-Ray is primarly(ON the Hardware front, a Sony thing) and Sony KNOWS a Cheap Player will undercut the PS3, but the amount of people who wanna play GAMES is Dwarfed by the amount of people who Like movies, so thats why I thing HD-DVD has a legitimate shot at being the king, the HD-DVD format has NO "Horse" in the VG business and can concentrate on getting cheap players into the movie fans hands.

You still haven't answered my question: What HD-DVD player do you own?

 

[Snah]

we have a 2nd dvd for extras. People seem to think a second disc of extras is somehow a great deal even though studios charge for these extras. Personally extras are unimportant to me, I can see how some people like it though. Studios have no problem with multi disc releases especially since they make more money out of them.

edit: My comment that no movies availiable on both formats have a superior bluray version until one exists. Saying Spiderman 3 on bluray looks better than the wild bunch on HD DVD proves nothing in regards to which format is better for movie sound and picture. When a movie is released on both formats day and date and is superior on bluray I will concede. Until that happens they are so fucking similar its irrelevant.

I'd prefer not to have a 2nd DVD for 'extras'. I'd prefer to have everything fit on one disc as much as possible. And I'd rather have more TV episodes on one disc as well.

As for which format is better in terms of sound and picture, well obviously that's Blu-Ray since the bitrate is higher. Whether or not you can tell a difference is up to you, however I'd rather support the format with nearly double the storage capacity and a higher bit rate.

 

[OokieSpookie]

He heard of the PS3, but he BOUGHT a 360
Look at it this way, OVER 100 MILLION PS2's were sold, I bet you LESS than 5% of them are the Primary DVD player in

Actually it was more because the dvd players in the ps2 and the xbox both sucked ass.
The PS3 is highly rated as a blu ray player in most a/v circles.
You are right to a point about the price thing, but it was because better quality players were available cheaper.

Sony or LG or someone else could easily shit out a 199-299 bluray player at will and call it the B-2 but as of now they are still leading so why rush an inferior product at bargain bin price when not too much later you can put a quality product out at a comparable price.
Anyone that says that there is not a fair bit of desperation in Toshiba's suicidal price cuts even if there are other valid reasons too needs to ease off of the kool aid

 

[JCBossman]

You still haven't answered my question: What HD-DVD player do you own?

The 360 add-on because It was SUPER CHEAP

 

[Snah]

The 360 add-on because It was SUPER CHEAP

:lol

So let me get this straight: You purchased a 400 dollar 360 + a "SUPER CHEAP" HD-DVD add on.

So, essentially, the cost of entry was > 399, or the current cost of a PS3...

And you're complaining about price as being the main factor holding you back from blu-ray? :lol

Certainly didn't hold you back for HD-DVD.

 

[thaivo]

Wow! I missed so much excitement.

I'm gonna have to swing by Walmart on Friday to see if there's a chance I can pick up a player. 98.87! It's like Christmas. It's beyond me how anyone can look at this as anything but a positive. Walmart, the largest retailer in the world, seems to be staunchly in HD DVD's side on this one.

This holiday season is going to be very interesting.

 

[C4Lukins]

It is getting nasty in here. Well, nastier then usual.


I would love to get in on that Wal-Mart deal. I could use a second player and it would make a good gift for the folks. It is just not worth the cluster fuck that I am sure a Wal-Mart sale would bring. I can barely keep my sanity in one of those places as it is. If for some reason they get a large enough shipment and they are still available later in the day, I may brave it.

 

[YYZ]

Anyone heard any news of the BD version of Hard Boiled that comes with the CE version of the Stranglehold game? The game is out, but did anyone get it? I was originally going to get it, but it's not worth it now that I think about it.

 

[thaivo]

It is getting nasty in here. Well, nastier then usual.


I would love to get in on that Wal-Mart deal. I could use a second player and it would make a good gift for the folks. It is just not worth the cluster fuck that I am sure a Wal-Mart sale would bring. I can barely keep my sanity in one of those places as it is. If for some reason they get a large enough shipment and they are still available later in the day, I may brave it.

Yea.. lots of ignore listing.. BD folks seem really riled up about it... I smell fear. :lol

I'm actually hoping for selfish reasons that people won't jump on this so I can grab a player for my dad. What do you think, will it be necessary to camp out early?

 

[OokieSpookie]

Anyone heard any news of the BD version of Hard Boiled that comes with the CE version of the Stranglehold game? The game is out, but did anyone get it? I was originally going to get it, but it's not worth it now that I think about it.

Great transfer but not technically a bd movie.
It is on the game disk and will only play in a PS3 unfortunately.

 

[JCBossman]

:lol

So let me get this straight: You purchased a 400 dollar 360 + a "SUPER CHEAP" HD-DVD add on.

So, essentially, the cost of entry was > 399, or the current cost of a PS3...

And you're complaining about price as being the main factor holding you back from blu-ray? :lol

Certainly didn't hold you back for HD-DVD.

Hey, if you like PS3 games, consider the Blu-Ray player a "freebie" more power to you. It's the same way for me I already owned(Most) of the hardware, so it was a No brainier.BUT forget about US for a second and think about people who could give two shits about gaming.They just bought a HDTV and wanna get a player to watch HD Movies(i'll also forget that wild Wal-Mart deal) what choices do they have Basically a HD-DVD player for $200 at Amazon and a ton of other places for $200 or a PS3 for Blu-Rayayat $400 (No remote included)or a $500 standalone Blu-Ray player, which would you buy given that situation?

 

[C4Lukins]

Yea.. lots of ignore listing.. BD folks seem really riled up about it... I smell fear. :lol

I'm actually hoping for selfish reasons that people won't jump on this so I can grab a player for my dad. What do you think, will it be necessary to camp out early?

I really have no clue. I would guess you would probably need to at least be there at the opening for a big Walmart sale like this. Of course most Walmarts are 24 hours so who knows what a good plan of attack would be, and how many they are actually going to get.

 

[Snah]

Hey, if you like PS3 games, consider the Blu-Ray player a "freebie" more power to you. It's the same way for me I already owned(Most) of the hardware, so it was a No brainier.BUT forget about US for a second and think about people who could give two shits about gaming.They just bought a HDTV and wanna get a player to watch HD Movies(i'll also forget that wild Wal-Mart deal) what choices do they have Basically a HD-DVD player for $200 at Amazon and a ton of other places for $200 or a PS3 for Blu-Rayayat $400 (No remote included)or a $500 standalone Blu-Ray player, which would you buy given that situation?

Honestly, outside of gaming enthusiasts, I don't think of anyone who truly cares to spend ~$200 or so for a DVD player. To gamers who are used to spending hundreds of dollars on this sort of thing, it certainly does make a whole lot of sense. Most hardcore AV owners also probably game slightly, even if it isn't as much as they watch movies.

It isn't mainstream until it's under $100 dollars and in bulk supply and not in the bargain bin aisle at wal mart.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Hey, if you like PS3 games, consider the Blu-Ray player a "freebie" more power to you. It's the same way for me I already owned(Most) of the hardware, so it was a No brainier.BUT forget about US for a second and think about people who could give two shits about gaming.They just bought a HDTV and wanna get a player to watch HD Movies(i'll also forget that wild Wal-Mart deal) what choices do they have Basically a HD-DVD player for $200 at Amazon and a ton of other places for $200 or a PS3 for Blu-Rayayat $400 (No remote included)or a $500 standalone Blu-Ray player, which would you buy given that situation?

They will buy the one that plays the movies that they like and that they want.
Plain and simple.
Give consumers some credit after all.

 

[thaivo]

Actually 399 BR players are rolling out and if you think that it will be long before you see 299 than you really need to take off the gaming forum blinders

Actually, I think you are absolutely right. But why stop at $299 per player....

I'm hoping for a $50 BD player by the end of next year.

Hopefully by then, all the studios will be jumping off the sinking ship that is BD. :lol (before you go crazy... I am not serious... well, not totally at least)

Nice commercial for the A2 from Walmart:

 

[JCBossman]

Quote:It isn't mainstream until it's under $100 dollars and in bulk supply and not in the bargain bin aisle at wal mart.

Wal-Mart Unfortunately is the DEFINITION of MAINSTREAM. And this is no Bargain Bin Player it was retailing for $500 not even a year ago

 

[laceystorm]

$98. for a Toshiba HD-DVD player is amazing. My dad's giving them to everyone in our family as gifts.

Just saw the ad on tv:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG_l...ums/index.php?showtopic=104802&st=30&start=30

 

[Raistlin]

Walmart, the largest retailer in the world, seems to be staunchly in HD DVD's side on this one.

It's not like WalMart is taking a hit to sell these (at $199). Also, they carry BD players to my knowledge.

Stating they are 'on HD DVD's side' isn't entirely accurate.

 

[Raistlin]

Anyone heard any news of the BD version of Hard Boiled that comes with the CE version of the Stranglehold game? The game is out, but did anyone get it? I was originally going to get it, but it's not worth it now that I think about it.

I haven't, but I won't be around to give impressions until next week.


I'm flying to DC tomorrow.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

$98. for a Toshiba HD-DVD player is amazing. My dad's giving them to everyone in our family as gifts.

Just saw the ad on tv:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG_l...ums/index.php?showtopic=104802&st=30&start=30

Since I work in marketing and pay attention to things like this, but I really don't recall Wal-Mart getting behind an individual product like this.

Toshiba - Popular brand name, gives HD-DVD some legitimacy. This format war thing amuses me to say the least, but I don't think they'd run a commercial for a one day sale. I could be wrong, but I'm not seeing it.

 

[Raistlin]

Wal-Mart Unfortunately is the DEFINITION of MAINSTREAM. And this is no Bargain Bin Player it was retailing for $500 not even a year ago

I don't recall the MSRP of the A2 at launch. Regardless, it cost that much then because Toshiba was attempting to get back some of the R&D costs, blue diode still cost a good chunk, etc.

However, it is their entry-level player ... so technically one could call it a bargain bin player, at least as far as the format goes.

 

[thaivo]

It's not like WalMart is taking a hit to sell these (at $199). Also, they carry BD players to my knowledge.

Stating they are 'on HD DVD's side' isn't entirely accurate.

Just to clarify, I said that Walmart seems on HD DVD's side on this "one", meaning this deal, this situation, this circumstance. Did you see the commercial? It's hard to see how Walmart isn't with HD DVD on this deal. I'm hoping for ample supplies of A2's on Friday. Why would they create a whole TV commercial, and pay for ad space for one or two players per store?

 

[lupin23rd]

When the ONLY practical way to get a player, is to buy a Video Game system, your FORMAT is in TROUBLE:lol

When people see "HD-DVD" and think "oh this converts DVDs into HD on my flat screen" (ie. upconverting DVD player) you know your format sucks donkey balls