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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Onix said:
I'm off to bed ... but I'll give some suggestions, etc. over the next day or two.

Sounds good thank you.
I am now kind of leaning toward the Onkyo TX-SR705S since even though it is a bit more than I want to spend, it should keep me for quite a while since it has hdmi 1.3 support as well as HD decoding.
 
bune duggy said:
I really didn't want to spend a year anticipating a movie but you just made me start. :(

Just think about how much worse it will be this spring when you buy a Disney release and you see an ad for it before the movie.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
Well I finally jumped in and got a couple of A3's to give to the family for x-mass. I have been on the fence for a while but the pricing of the a3 was just to good. I am buying planet earth and transformers. What else are some really good movies to pick up? Looking for a couple of titles with the wow factor.

Also could use some suggestions on a hdmi capable receiver for under 400 dollars and a pair of floor standing speakers under 400 dollars. I have a solid sub just would like the floor standing speakers to cover 60hz and up.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
quest said:
Well I finally jumped in and got a couple of A3's to give to the family for x-mass. I have been on the fence for a while but the pricing of the a3 was just to good. I am buying planet earth and transformers. What else are some really good movies to pick up? Looking for a couple of titles with the wow factor.

Also could use some suggestions on a hdmi capable receiver for under 400 dollars and a pair of floor standing speakers under 400 dollars. I have a solid sub just would like the floor standing speakers to cover 60hz and up.

As for titles:

Hot Fuzz
Hulk
TMNT
King Kong
Batman Begins
Matrix
Happy Feet
Shooter
Children of Men
Chronicles of Riddick
Shrek 3


Check out this page to see what's available and read reviews (don't bother with the movie score, just check the picture quality and audio quality ratings.

I'm thinking the first post should be replaced with movie recommendations for HD noobs.
 

Kolgar

Member
quest said:
Well I finally jumped in and got a couple of A3's to give to the family for x-mass. I have been on the fence for a while but the pricing of the a3 was just to good. I am buying planet earth and transformers. What else are some really good movies to pick up? Looking for a couple of titles with the wow factor.

Corpse Bride is always one I like to recommend. It's gorgeous, with a 3D look that's pretty mesmerizing.

300 looks great, but the design style does crush blacks and there's a fair amount of grain.

I thought Blades of Glory looked really sharp, too.
 

snorggy

Member
so paprika is coming out on blu this week... is it worth getting? i love me some anime and the visuals look amazing.. but apparently it's a giant mindfuck... and i'm not a big fan of that.

so are we talking about david lynch levels of "wtf is going on" or could i actually enjoy this film for more than it's visuals?
 

Elios83

Member
snorggy said:
so paprika is coming out on blu this week... is it worth getting? i love me some anime and the visuals look amazing.. but apparently it's a giant mindfuck... and i'm not a big fan of that.

so are we talking about david lynch levels of "wtf is going on" or could i actually enjoy this film for more than it's visuals?


Paprika BR was released in Europe a few weeks ago, I decided to pick it up because I loved Tokyo Godfathers but this film is a total mess, its plot is really confusing, lots of unclear or missing details even after you watch it a second time. I usually like deep stories but this just wasn't well executed. Picture quality is really good but as a movie I wouldn't recommend it :(
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
off-topic, but I was wondering if digital audio output is a requirement for dvd playback devices. Anyone know if that is the case and where I can find that info. Part of why I wonder is to see whether the Wii can be licensed for dvd playback without an analog digital out.
 
VanMardigan said:
off-topic, but I was wondering if digital audio output is a requirement for dvd playback devices. Anyone know if that is the case and where I can find that info. Part of why I wonder is to see whether the Wii can be licensed for dvd playback without an analog digital out.

Pretty sure it's a requirement, although it doesn't have to be optical, IIRC.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Pretty sure it's a requirement, although it doesn't have to be optical, IIRC.

The Wii doesn't have coax out either. I've heard it's a requirement, but can't find that through google searches, and folks are saying that the Wii only needs a software upgrade for dvd playback, even though it currently has no digital audio output option.
 
VanMardigan said:
off-topic, but I was wondering if digital audio output is a requirement for dvd playback devices. Anyone know if that is the case and where I can find that info. Part of why I wonder is to see whether the Wii can be licensed for dvd playback without an analog digital out.

The DVD Forum mandates that every DVD players must decode AC-3 (Dolby Digital) sound with either optical or coaxial output.

Nintendo would have to release a new version of the Wii if they would want to include it.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
The Main Event said:
The DVD Forum mandates that every DVD players must decode AC-3 (Dolby Digital) sound with either optical or coaxial output.

Nintendo would have to release a new version of the Wii if they would want to include it.

That's what I thought. Do you know where I can find this information online?
 

Flynn

Member
Elios83 said:
Paprika BR was released in Europe a few weeks ago, I decided to pick it up because I loved Tokyo Godfathers but this film is a total mess, its plot is really confusing, lots of unclear or missing details even after you watch it a second time. I usually like deep stories but this just wasn't well executed. Picture quality is really good but as a movie I wouldn't recommend it :(

Don't listen to this guy. It's a trippy movie, but it's purposefully so.
 

Kinan

Member
Old?

BDA published some
masterfully spinned :p
data about amazing dynamics of blu-ray writers in Japan.

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How they managed to get from 5% to almost 20% of total market in 1 month is beyond me.

HD-DVD writers? 2.8%.

6wwljjc.jpg
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Who really cares if the Wii can playback DVDs when DVD players are $40 or less?

Other than for the convenience, I suppose.

I just wanted to know if there was an actual spec that prohibited the Wii from being an official playback device (and where to find it), and thought the tech folks in this thread would know about it, that's all. I have the Ps3 for dvd playback.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
VanMardigan said:
I just wanted to know if there was an actual spec that prohibited the Wii from being an official playback device (and where to find it), and thought the tech folks in this thread would know about it, that's all. I have the Ps3 for dvd playback.


Nintendo decided to save money by not paying the DVD license fee and having to include optical or coaxial. It's cents per system, but it's a saving and they k money on hardware - so savings = profits.

Great financial decision, mild inconvenience for me.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Ignatz Mouse said:
Who really cares if the Wii can playback DVDs when DVD players are $40 or less?

Other than for the convenience, I suppose.

I'd have liked to have been able to use the pointer for menu control personally. Still would, too. Arrow controls are a pain in the ass.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
The Main Event said:
I didn't check it out, but the mandatory specs should be written somewhere on the DVD Forum website.

There's also Wikipedia.

Tried both of those, didn't find anything specific enough. Funny thing is, minimum specs for Blu Ray and HD DVD players are very easy to find.

edit: nevermind, found it in the Dolby Digital wikipedia page. It's mandatory for dvd players, so the Wii could not be used for dvd playback unless they can add digital output, perhaps through a cable like the 360 or a new model.
 
snorggy said:
so paprika is coming out on blu this week... is it worth getting? i love me some anime and the visuals look amazing.. but apparently it's a giant mindfuck... and i'm not a big fan of that.

so are we talking about david lynch levels of "wtf is going on" or could i actually enjoy this film for more than it's visuals?

You should be fine. It's a fairly straightforward story, with the typical Satoshi Kon weirdness thrown in.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
I saw people talking about HDMI receivers on here.

Remember, all you need is HDMI 1.1 for the receiver to accept a lossless multichannel PCM signal (LPCM).

So even if the receiver doesn't say it decodes TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, (which you need HDMI 1.3 for), you may still get to play the lossless track since ALL HD players decode the TrueHD track internally.

DTS-HD MA is another matter. I can't think of a player offhand that decodes it internally.
Hopefully PS3 will soon.
 
dallow_bg said:
I saw people talking about HDMI receivers on here.

Remember, all you need is HDMI 1.1 for the receiver to accept a lossless multichannel PCM signal (LPCM).

So even if the receiver doesn't say it decodes TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, (which you need HDMI 1.3 for), you may still get to play the lossless track since ALL HD players decode the TrueHD track internally.

DTS-HD MA is another matter. I can't think of a player offhand that decodes it internally.
Hopefully PS3 will soon.

I know this is going to sound like a really really stupid question, but I do get confused about the HDMI thing on a receiver.
For example if I go with the Sony that was mentioned up a bit, and plug my PS3 which is 1.3 into the receiver and then hook the receiver into my tv ( which will be 1.3) will it still be passing everything along.
Or would it be like plugging a USB2.0 device into a USB1.0 hub and just pass along the 1.0?
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
OokieSpookie said:
I know this is going to sound like a really really stupid question, but I do get confused about the HDMI thing on a receiver.
For example if I go with the Sony that was mentioned up a bit, and plug my PS3 which is 1.3 into the receiver and then hook the receiver into my tv ( which will be 1.3) will it still be passing everything along.
Or would it be like plugging a USB2.0 device into a USB1.0 hub and just pass along the 1.0?
The Sony DG510?

I'm not sure what HDMI spec it is, but it is video only. And maxes out at 1080i if that matters to you.
Plugging a 1.3 into 1.0 back out to 1.3 would would indeed break the chain.

I know you're looking for a good receiver. Do you care about lossless audio?
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
maharg said:
I'd have liked to have been able to use the pointer for menu control personally. Still would, too. Arrow controls are a pain in the ass.


That's a very good idea, now I wished the Wii could play dvds.
 
dallow_bg said:
Remember, all you need is HDMI 1.1 for the receiver to accept a lossless multichannel PCM signal (LPCM).

Not true. Make sure you buy a receiver that is "HDMI repeater" not "HDMI switcher". Switchers can't do audio. For example, Pioneer 1017tx is a switcher.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
DarkJediKnight said:
Not true. Make sure you buy a receiver that is "HDMI repeater" not "HDMI switcher". Switchers can't do audio. For example, Pioneer 1017tx is a switcher.
Ah, yes I know this. I guess I should have added that caveat, but I was hoping it was assumed the receivers we're talking about do audio as well. :)

Alright then, it must be a repeater, and 1.1.
 
dallow_bg said:
The Sony DG510?

I'm not sure what HDMI spec it is, but it is video only. And maxes out at 1080i if that matters to you.
Plugging a 1.3 into 1.0 back out to 1.3 would would indeed break the chain.

I know you're looking for a good receiver. Do you care about lossless audio?

Lossless would be nice but since it is a small apartment it is not a priority.
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
Well, despite my prior comments, I ended up springing for the Star Trek HD-DVDs for $85. Couldn't pass it up at that price, and the reviews I've been reading are phenominal; the image really looks like a substantial step up from the standard DVD releases (which I never realized were so weak). I'm a little bit concerned about the elaborate packaging being damaged in shipping, but I can exchange it locally if there's an issue.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
OokieSpookie said:
Lossless would be nice but since it is a small apartment it is not a priority.
It's my personal belief that at low to low-mid volumes, receivers are just about identical in sound.

So really any small setup will do you good, and would be a vast improvement over using just TV speakers, or small 2.1 setup.

You won't believe the difference lossless (or super high bitrate) sound makes over Dolby Digital though, I'd recommend getting the cheapest receiver that accepts LPCM.

However, for the $500 budget you set, you'd have to skim on the speakers.

I'd do this:

Spend all you can on a HTIB setup.
Upgrade the receiver in time.
Upgrade speakers in time.

Best way to start off and learn with surround.

I enjoy surround sound even more than HD visuals :p
 

Jirotrom

Member
OK guys, you all have been following the Blu-ray HD-DVD thing. This weekend I can get the 360 HD-DVD player for 90 bucks, is it worth it?, or do I need to be worried about HD-DVD support ending?
 
Jirotrom said:
OK guys, you all have been following the Blu-ray HD-DVD thing. This weekend I can get the 360 HD-DVD player for 90 bucks, is it worth it?, or do I need to be worried about HD-DVD support ending?

For $90, it's worth it. If HD DVD support ends, your discs don't stop working. IMO, the HD drive is a better investment than the standalone players as the addon retains its relase value better.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Jirotrom said:
OK guys, you all have been following the Blu-ray HD-DVD thing. This weekend I can get the 360 HD-DVD player for 90 bucks, is it worth it?, or do I need to be worried about HD-DVD support ending?

If you're a movie lover and appreciate HD content, it'll be the best 90 bucks you ever spent. I've gotten more use out of mine than I ever thought I would.
 

kaizoku

I'm not as deluded as I make myself out to be
Jirotrom said:
OK guys, you all have been following the Blu-ray HD-DVD thing. This weekend I can get the 360 HD-DVD player for 90 bucks, is it worth it?, or do I need to be worried about HD-DVD support ending?

Are you dying to have some HD-DVD movies? If no then dont buy it!

a) limited selection right now
b) relies on xbox 360, in other words you will need to upgrade it eventually, if your 360 dies, new console comes out etc
c) its an add on - meh. has its own power supply but needs 360 to power on as well and so on.
d) prices will only go down. that $90 price isnt some kind of limited time offer is it?
e) a 360 with built in hd-dvd player is meant to be in development which should push on any price drops even further. if this happens, these hd-dvd add ons will effectively lose all value.

if you think this will be the cheapest price you can get it for for the next few years, then go for it if its not that much money to you and consider it a disposable purchase.
 

Kolgar

Member
kaizoku said:
Are you dying to have some HD-DVD movies? If no then dont buy it!

a) limited selection right now
b) relies on xbox 360, in other words you will need to upgrade it eventually, if your 360 dies, new console comes out etc
c) its an add on - meh. has its own power supply but needs 360 to power on as well and so on.
d) prices will only go down. that $90 price isnt some kind of limited time offer is it?
e) a 360 with built in hd-dvd player is meant to be in development which should push on any price drops even further. if this happens, these hd-dvd add ons will effectively lose all value.

if you think this will be the cheapest price you can get it for for the next few years, then go for it if its not that much money to you and consider it a disposable purchase.

Ehhh. As one who owns the add-on (as well as an HD DVD standalone), I would just like to say "pfft" to this post and recommend to the guy asking the question that he go for that $90 add on ASAP. It's a fine player, with image quality as good as my standalone A2, boot-up times that are faster, and the price of entry is pretty great.

You find a good deal on any high-def player--HD DVD or Blu-ray--you snap it up. HD movies are so much better than SD.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
a) limited selection right now. Of what, movies? Both sides have a similar amount of movies, so as long as there are enough movies he likes, then what's the problem?

b) relies on xbox 360, in other words you will need to upgrade it eventually, if your 360 dies, new console comes out etc That's the plan, isn't it? I mean, for 90 effing bucks what do you think, it's going to be his dedicated HD DVD player for the next 15 years? Besides, you can hook it up to a PC as well.


c) its an add on - meh. has its own power supply but needs 360 to power on as well and so on. Non-issue, since it actually loads up quicker than the standalones from the time you turn it on to the time the movie starts playing.


d) prices will only go down. that $90 price isnt some kind of limited time offer is it?
Apparently so, seeing as how it retails for double that.


e) a 360 with built in hd-dvd player is meant to be in development which should push on any price drops even further. if this happens, these hd-dvd add ons will effectively lose all value. MS has already denied this, but even if it's true, there will be over 15 million xbox 360's that WON'T have the HD DVD drive built in. Furthermore, talking about "losing all value" is pretty irrelevant when you're talking about a HD disc player for less than $100. How much back could you possibly expect to get back anyway from that?

It's a good deal, IMO, even if it's just to rent HD DVD's from Netflix. Having access to hundreds of HD discs for less than $100 is a good thing. The only comparable offer is Amazon's HD DVD standalone for $159, but that's $70 more (or almost double).
 
Jirotrom said:
OK guys, you all have been following the Blu-ray HD-DVD thing. This weekend I can get the 360 HD-DVD player for 90 bucks, is it worth it?, or do I need to be worried about HD-DVD support ending?

Oh, definitely get it. I was BD-only for a year, and am much happier now that I've added HD-DVD (for 98 bucks no less). If you love movies instead of fanboy format wars, you'll be much happier with both.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Oh, definitely get it. I was BD-only for a year, and am much happier now that I've added HD-DVD (for 98 bucks no less). If you love movies instead of fanboy format wars, you'll be much happier with both.

Agreed. I've only had BD for a few days, but I definitely would not go back to HD DVD/SD combination, or BD/SD for that matter. Since the vast majority of new releases get put on either format, I've been able to pretty much eliminate dvd's from my netflix queue.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
I wouldn't go for the $90 HD DVD 360 add on unless you desperately need it. I think the add-on is due for a price drop which means soon enough you could get it cheaper.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Oni Jazar said:
I wouldn't go for the $90 HD DVD 360 add on unless you desperately need it. I think the add-on is due for a price drop which means soon enough you could get it cheaper.

unless you think its going to get a 50% reduction at retail, this is still a great price for it though. I could see it coming down to 120-150 before the end of the year, but I doubt it hits under 100 bucks.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
From the HD DVD blog:

Warner has now finally confirmed that anime film Appleseed: Ex Machina will be available to own in high-definition on HD DVD/DVD Combo disc, from March 11, 2008, for $35.99 SRP each. Stay tuned for further details...

Based on various sources, it seems Warner is expected to announce the North American HD DVD release of Clubland and L.A. Confidential pretty soon.

This is Warner, so I assume those go for Blu Ray as well.
 
The Main Event said:
March 2008 release date...Combo disc?!

Yep.
Warner Releasing 'Appleseed Ex Machina' on HD DVD, Blu-ray
November 26, 2007

Warner Home Video has announced the anime feature Appleseed Ex Machina will be simultaneously on Combo Format HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc March 11, with both versions carrying an SRP of $34.99. Appleseed Ex Machina is the sequel to 2004's Appleseed, directed by Shinji Aramaki. No announcement signaling Appleseed is heading to high definition home video has been made as of yet.

Neither technical specs nor special features have been made available by Warner Home Video at this time. We'll be sure to pass them along once we have access to them.

4128.jpg


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OokieSpookie said:
Yep.


http://dvd.themanroom.com/images/covers/bluray/medium/4128.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://dvd.themanroom.com/images/covers/hddvd/medium/4127.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

At least they lowered the MSRP.

[URL="http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Exclusive_HD_Content/Harry_Potter_HD_DVD_to_Feature_First-Ever_Community_Screening_Function/1188"]http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Exclusive_HD_Content/Harry_Potter_HD_DVD_to_Feature_First-Ever_Community_Screening_Function/1188[/URL]

[QUOTE]Promising to bring high-def interconnectivity to a new level, Warner will introduce a first-ever group screening function with its upcoming HD DVD release of 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.'
[B]
Dubbed "Live Community Screening," the new feature will allow multiple owners of the 'Order of the Phoenix' HD DVD to simultaneously watch the film via their own individual web-connected players. Playback is controlled by a single "host" user, who initiates the invitation-only viewing, and can control the film by pausing and playing the feature on everyone else's machines. Even more cutting edge, Warner says participants will also be able to text between their remote devices, creating a virtual "live chat" environment while they watch.[/B]

Introducing this new feature with little fanfare (it wasn't even mentioned in the disc's press announcement), Warner revealed the complete details of 'Harry Potter's exclusive HD DVD content via this just-launched 'Harry Potter' product page at the newly redesigned thelookandsoundofperfect.com, the official consumer website of the HD DVD Promotions Group.

Set for release on December 11, other content exclusive to the HD DVD of 'Order of the Phoenix' includes a "Behind the Screen: Focus Points" picture-in-picture video commentary, additional downloadable material including screensavers and ringtones, plus a custom bookmarking function.

Although Warner is also debuting a Blu-ray version of 'Order of the Phoenix' day-and-date with the HD DVD, that disc will not include any web-enabled content. [/QUOTE]

That's a pretty neat feature. Too bad I'm not a Potter fan.
 

mollipen

Member
Jirotrom said:
OK guys, you all have been following the Blu-ray HD-DVD thing. This weekend I can get the 360 HD-DVD player for 90 bucks, is it worth it?, or do I need to be worried about HD-DVD support ending?

I'm one of the folks that would say that unless you're absolutely dying to get HD content via an optical disc at this point, don't buy either format until either one is declared the winner, or we're certain that both formats are going to stick around for the long haul.

It also depends on if you don't care about having to use multiple players for your entire movie library (like some here), or if you don't want that annoyance, and instead would prefer to have one player for both your DVD and HD libraries (like me). If you're the latter, then it'd be foolish to buy very much on either format until something is decided.
 
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