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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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My five free Blu-ray movies arrived today and I got everything I requested. Only one dud.. maybe two. But i'm happy with my top three (Curse of the Black Pearl, Superman: The Movie, and American Psycho).
 

maynerd

Banned
Killthee said:
Same thing happened to poly.

POTCCover1.jpg


I say take it back.

What in the hell?!
 

Fëanor

Member
Mifune said:
Any word on the quality of Master and Commander's transfer?

I really don't want to buy it again since I already have the multidisc collector's DVD set (and what a set it is), but it IS one of the best movies of the last five years and beautiful to boot, so...


Seriously, the Collector's DVD set is amazing, and now that I see the Blu Ray version.... well what the shit is that!?
 

Elios83

Member
PS3 will get updated to support BD Profile 1.1 later this month:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#blog20

A Sony rep cited internal research suggesting that over 80% of all PlayStation 3 owners had watched at least one Blu-ray movie on their systems. It was also revealed that the Blu-ray profile 1.1 firmware update for the PS3 is expected to be made available for download later this month.

Some new information as to high-def title plans for 2008 - all Blu-ray due to the other camp taking a pass - was offered at the event as well, during a studio panel late in the day. First, Sony revealed that Kevin Smith's Dogma is due to arrive on Blu-ray on 2/12, with Run Lola Run following on 2/19. In addition to the release of Resident Evil: Extinction on 1/1, Sony will street a Resident Evil: The High-Definition Trilogy set on Blu-ray the same day. The Guns of Navarone and A Passage to India are apparently on the way in early 2008, with Bridge on the River Kwai and Lawrence of Arabia expected to follow later in the year. Sony also hinted that they're going to experiment with more advanced BD-Java features in 2008. Further down the line, Disney, Fox, Sony and Lionsgate all confirmed that they're going to be expanding their Blu-ray release slate in 2008. Fox revealed that new theatrical titles like Juno, ******, Horton Hears a Who and Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium will all be released, as well as many new catalog titles. Lionsgate expects to deliver Saw IV in January, while Disney confirmed that Finding Nemo and The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe will both feature PiP video.
 
Yeah the box are for canadian stuff is that bad. The SOLUTION is SIMPLE!

Manufacturers! Print two sided slipcovers! One side English, the other side French. Make the English side 100% English and the French side 100% French. You tried this before but the french side had only critic's quotes in french and the rest was dual.

This bilingual packaging makes no one happy. French collectors hate it and English collectors hate it.
 

mollipen

Member
VanMardigan said:
My guess is people new to the HD DVD fold. Perhaps folks who got the standalones on sale. Unless there was a sale I didn't know about.

Didn't Best Buy last week have Planet Earth on sale for HD-DVD and Blu-ray, with a lower price for HD-DVD?
 
Analysts predict both formats will survive:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twoformats120507.htm

Washington, D.C. (December 5, 2007) -- Despite calls for a single format, two research companies yesterday said both Blu-ray and HD DVD high-def discs will be around for years to come.

That's according to an article by Video Business.

At an industry conference in Los Angeles, Screen Media Digest and Adams Media Research also said that both formats will sell roughly the same number of discs over the next several years.

Blu-ray, which is backed exclusively by four major Hollywood studios, has outsold HD DVD by a 2-1 margin to date. (HD DVD has the exclusive backing of two major studios.)

"Both formats will be established and co-exist for the foreseeable future,” said Screen Digest's Helen Davis Jayalath, according to Video Business. “By 2012, U.S. high-def software will be evenly split between the two formats, where Blu-ray represents 55 percent of the market and HD DVD represents 45 percent."

Adams Media Research said Blu-ray and HD DVD disc revenues will both be around $5 billion by 2012, compared to $10 billion for standard DVDs.

The companies said that the standard-def DVD is the biggest obstacle facing the high-def disc industry. Turned off the format war, many consumers may instead buy 'upconverting' DVD players that will improve the image on standard-def DVDs.

The research companies said the format war will diminish the potential of revenue from high-def disc sales, Video Business reported.

“Sales of both formats have been below analyst expectations,” said Jayalath. “You would think that (large demand) for high-def TVs would help adoption more.”
 
VanMardigan said:
I think Toshiba paid for Batman and Matrix. What boggles my mind is why they didn't lock down 300 as well. It's not like the Blu Ray had matching features, so they could've used the same excuse.

Kabuki Waq said:
so let me get this straight

No MATRIX
No Batman Begins
No TRansfromers


and yet Blu Ray still winning ?


i can see why HD DVD adopters might be a little bit bitter/worried
Jeez kids, and you are calling out others to be fanboys?
 
JB1981 said:
i cannot believe how bad SM3 was - just watched it

Yup. Sam Raimi dropped the ball big time. This could've been great trilogy, but S3 really sucked. Too much singing and dancing, and not enough Venom. There had better be a director's cut that gets rid of all the bullshit and adds more venom.
 
Kabuki Waq said:
so am I an HD DVD fanboy because i prefer HD DVD software? or am I BLu Ray fanboy because i own a ps3 ?
Well, what is your conclusion from my quote, Einstein?

You listed a number of HD-DVD exclusives, completely ignoring that there are lists of BD exclusive blockbusters that would point in the other direction. And if you look at exclusives of recent blockbuster hits, maybe the future of HD-DVD doesn´t look so rosy, eh?
 
YYZ said:
When is BD getting the PiP thing like the director's thing in 300?

Please understand that I mean nothing bad by this, but does anyone actually read this thread before hitting the reply button?
There was a rather extended bit about profile 1.1 just this afternoon on here that covered the very same area.

But to answer profile 1.1 hits this month, movies using it start showing early Jan.
 
DarkJediKnight said:
Yup. Sam Raimi dropped the ball big time. This could've been great trilogy, but S3 really sucked. Too much singing and dancing, and not enough Venom. There had better be a director's cut that gets rid of all the bullshit and adds more venom.



From what I heard, Raimi never planned Venom to be in the original planned version. He hated Venom as a villian. It was Avi Arad who pushed him to include it. Haveing all those storylines fucked up the movie.
 

BobLoblaw

Banned
Amazon changed up their movie selection for the Blu-ray BOGO deal. The Superman movies have been removed and others like 300, Wyatt Earp, etc have been added. I bought one movie pack (of 4) and got another for free. I also signed up for the credit card and am now getting $30 back. That means I got The Last Samurai, The Phantom of the Opera, Unforgiven, The Fugitive, Lethal Weapon, The Road Warrior, Swordfish, and Training Day all for $30.90 with 3-5 day shipping. :D
 

BobLoblaw

Banned
Gary Whitta said:
I still don't get why anybody would want Swordfish in any format even if it was free.

It was part of the movie pack. I couldn't get rid of it, unfortunately. :( I seriously considered skipping out on the whole thing because of it, but I realized I'm spending less than $4 on it, so it's not too bad.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I still don't get why anybody would want Swordfish in any format even if it was free.

I do not know why but I kind of liked it.
Now it has been a while since I have seen it, but still will pick it up when it is cheap.
 

C4Lukins

Junior Member
DarkJediKnight said:
Yup. Sam Raimi dropped the ball big time. This could've been great trilogy, but S3 really sucked. Too much singing and dancing, and not enough Venom. There had better be a director's cut that gets rid of all the bullshit and adds more venom.

I still enjoyed it, much more then the first film actually. It was still extremely disappointing coming after the stellar second movie. He completely butchered Venom and did not develop Sandman at all. I guess I was one of the few who had a good laugh at the Emo Peter.
 
DarkJediKnight said:
Yup. Sam Raimi dropped the ball big time. This could've been great trilogy, but S3 really sucked. Too much singing and dancing, and not enough Venom. There had better be a director's cut that gets rid of all the bullshit and adds more venom.
see, a director's cut would do the exact opposite since Sam Raimi wanted Sandman and Vulture, not Venom.
painful fart said:
Well, what is your conclusion from my quote, Einstein?

You listed a number of HD-DVD exclusives, completely ignoring that there are lists of BD exclusive blockbusters that would point in the other direction. And if you look at exclusives of recent blockbuster hits, maybe the future of HD-DVD doesn´t look so rosy, eh?
...it's always fun when a new kid comes to town.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
Here's the list of the new Warner titles on sale at Amazon.
The box sets are $56.
So that's 8 movies for $56.
Sell the ones you don't like.

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300
16 Blocks
Alexander, Revisited - The Final Cut
Battle of the Bulge
Blood Diamond
Christmas Story, A
Deliverance
Departed, The
Dirty Dozen, The
Enter the Dragon
Fountain, The
Fugitive, The
Full Metal Jacket (crappy version)
Good Night, and Good Luck
GoodFellas
Happy Feet
House of Wax
Last Samurai, The
Lethal Weapon 2
Letters from Iwo Jima
March of the Penguins
Music and Lyrics
National Geographic - Relentless Enemies
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
Phantom of the Opera, The
Rio Bravo
Road Warrior, The
Scanner Darkly, A
Searchers, The
TMNT
Troy (Director's Cut)
Under Seige
Unforgiven
Viva Las Vegas
We Are Marshall
Wild Bunch, The
Wyatt Earp

Best of Blu-Ray Vol. 1
(Lethal Weapon / The Road Warrior / Swordfish / Training Day)
Best of Blu-Ray Vol. 2
(The Last Samurai / The Phantom of the Opera / Unforgiven / The Fugitive)
 
dallow_bg said:
Here's the list of the new Warner titles on sale at Amazon.
The box sets are $56.
So that's 8 movies for $56.
Sell the ones you don't like.

-------------------

300
16 Blocks
Alexander, Revisited - The Final Cut
Battle of the Bulge
Blood Diamond
Christmas Story, A
Deliverance
Departed, The
Dirty Dozen, The
Enter the Dragon
Fountain, The
Fugitive, The
Full Metal Jacket (crappy version)
Good Night, and Good Luck

GoodFellas
Happy Feet
House of Wax
Last Samurai, The
Lethal Weapon 2
Letters from Iwo Jima
March of the Penguins
Music and Lyrics
National Geographic - Relentless Enemies
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
Phantom of the Opera, The
Rio Bravo
Road Warrior, The
Scanner Darkly, A

Searchers, The
TMNT
Troy (Director's Cut)
Under Seige
Unforgiven
Viva Las Vegas
We Are Marshall
Wild Bunch, The
Wyatt Earp

Best of Blu-Ray Vol. 1
(Lethal Weapon / The Road Warrior / Swordfish / Training Day)
Best of Blu-Ray Vol. 2
(The Last Samurai / The Phantom of the Opera / Unforgiven / The Fugitive)

Couldn't pass these up at $10 a pop, even though some are not great.
300
 

Pachinko

Member
Hey just a headsup, for anyone that lives in canada - www.thecnl.com is doing a bogo sale and they have a couple decent movies in the list , the issue though is that they sell for SRV or higher on everything so to get just as an example underworld 1 and 2 you'd wind up paying 45 bucks with shipping, there are a number of 30 dollar titles that'd wind up cost only 38 to ship 2. I suppose those that skipped the good movies on the list could order 10 films and pay for 5 and still only have 8 dollars shipping to worry about.

I mentioned canada only but I think they do ship to the US. The other catch is that you have to be a preffered customer to order anything before dec.9th when the sale officially kicks off.
 

C4Lukins

Junior Member
Battle of the Bulge
A Christmas Story
The Dirty Dozen
Goodfellas
The Last Samurai
Letters From Iwo Jima
Under Siege
Troy
Unforgiven
The Wild Bunch

All for $87. Not bad at all.
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
Is it correct to assume Warner is subsidising this sale the way Sony does? If so, why the hell are they snubbing HD owners (not that I've come to expect anything less with these endless BR sales)? :(
 

Azrael

Member
Cosmic Bus said:
Is it correct to assume Warner is subsidising this sale the way Sony does? If so, why the hell are they snubbing HD owners (not that I've come to expect anything less with these endless BR sales)? :(

According to readers at High Def Digest, it's because Warner is dropping Blu-ray and clearing out their inventory :lol
 
Theoretical question:

Blu-ray is currently beating HD-DVD even though the BD hardware is more expensive than equivalent HD-DVD hardware. So...

If Sony (or Samsung or whoever) came out with a $199 BD player tomorrow, would that be enough to put us into an endgame scenario?
 
Gary Whitta said:
Theoretical question:

Blu-ray is currently beating HD-DVD even though the BD hardware is more expensive than equivalent HD-DVD hardware. So...

If Sony (or Samsung or whoever) came out with a $199 BD player tomorrow, would that be enough to put us into an endgame scenario?


I thought Sony was supposed to Send Wal Mart some BD players with a Retail price of 199$ already?
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Gary Whitta said:
Theoretical question:

Blu-ray is currently beating HD-DVD even though the BD hardware is more expensive than equivalent HD-DVD hardware. So...

If Sony (or Samsung or whoever) came out with a $199 BD player tomorrow, would that be enough to put us into an endgame scenario?


possibly, but it seems that isn't their strategy. They are playing the software game with all these BOGOFs, 3 for 2s etc. Maybe they don't want to chop hardware prices too much and annoy the other manufacturers.

HDDVD on the other hand, doesn't *have* any other manufacturers, so Toshiba can slash prices freely.
 
bune duggy said:
...it's always fun when a new kid comes to town.
Thanks, Old Master of the Trade.

Maybe you can help me out with a quetion?

Do you know if the exclusivity deal between Paramount an Toshiba for the US market has an expire date? Is it a subscription deal Toshiba can renew once a year or what?
 
painful fart said:
Well, what is your conclusion from my quote, Einstein?

You listed a number of HD-DVD exclusives, completely ignoring that there are lists of BD exclusive blockbusters that would point in the other direction. And if you look at exclusives of recent blockbuster hits, maybe the future of HD-DVD doesn´t look so rosy, eh?


well the exclusives on the HD DVD side i believe are atleast EQUAL to the blu ray side IMO.

Yet they are still trailing.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
painful fart said:
Do you know if the exclusivity deal between Paramount an Toshiba for the US market has an expire date? Is it a subscription deal Toshiba can renew once a year or what?

18 months seems to be the number floating around. So probably until the end of 2008.
 

womfalcs3

Banned
Gary Whitta said:
Theoretical question:

Blu-ray is currently beating HD-DVD even though the BD hardware is more expensive than equivalent HD-DVD hardware. So...

If Sony (or Samsung or whoever) came out with a $199 BD player tomorrow, would that be enough to put us into an endgame scenario?

If Funai or whomever comes out with a BD player that doesn't do 1080p, then maybe they can go down to the 99 dollars the low-end HD-DVD players went for during that sale.

If you look at the cheapest BD players compared to the cheapest HD-DVD players that are able to do 1080p, the price difference isn't significant.
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Seems like Lawrence of Arabia should have long since been released on BD already, considering that's been part of Sony's HD dog and pony show for at least 3 yrs now.

Gary Whitta said:
If Sony (or Samsung or whoever) came out with a $199 BD player tomorrow, would that be enough to put us into an endgame scenario?
Not likely. We're still in an early adopter phase for these formats and would be for at least another year or more and that's being optimistic by assuming a growth rate akin to DVD, in spite of a format war.

No, the endgame is $199 dual format players in another year or so, when neutral CE manufacturers will downplay format distinction and just emphasize the HD movie playback. Studios will probably jump on board and subdue the packaging distinction between movie releases of differen formats. "Plays great on dual format HD players" or some such will become the tagline.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
kaching said:
No, the endgame is $199 dual format players in another year or so, when neutral CE manufacturers will downplay format distinction and just emphasize the HD movie playback. Studios will probably jump on board and subdue the packaging distinction between movie releases of differen formats. "Plays great on dual format HD players" or some such will become the tagline.

I like your dream. If CE companies can end the stupid format war with a device that plays all the movies I already own, I'm all for it. It needs to happen sooner than later, though, if we want the public to buy in to dual format hardware.
 
I don't think dual-format players are the future. I think there's too much overhead in each spec to make it worthwhile, and by the time they would be able to get to mass-market prices (Q4 2009, I would guess) the format war will have been settled.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
A dual format solution would benefit NO ONE.

Consumers will be left with more expensive equipment that has more opportunities for failure.

CEs will be left with higher unit costs for manufacturing, testing and maintenance.

Studios will be left with the option of either supporting both formats at extra cost or eliminating support for a format for an arbitrary reason.

Retails will be left with having to devote twice the shelf space for basically the same format.

I cannot see it being a desired result for anyone except for those that want HDM to fail.
 
Dual format players are the wishful-thinking solution for people who want to purchase movies with abandon (or already have).

THe only way they'd become the primary players is if the studio support never resolves, and if that's the case, HDM is DOA.
 
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