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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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The Main Event

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VanMardigan said:
Stupid security tape crap. Got Deja Vu and PoTC from the deep discount BOGO and both cases are smudged/torn from removing that stupid security crap. :(
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The Main Event

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High-Def 2.0 Conference Focuses on Establishing High-Def Media

The format war took a back seat to high-definition media in general at High Def 2.0. While a majority of panelists represented companies producing Blu-ray Disc software and hardware, and representatives of HD DVD chose not to appear for the panels and awards show, research and opinions from studio, consumer electronic and media representatives offered a view of the high-def world on a whole.

The second annual conference produced by Home Media Magazine, in cooperation with The Hollywood Reporter and the Entertainment Merchants Association, to advance the cause of next-generation packaged media, was held at the Hyatt Regency Century Plaza in Los Angeles on Dec. 4.

“We spend too much time attacking the blue and the red,” said Home Media Magazine publisher Thomas K. Arnold, during opening remarks. “While the consumer doesn’t know enough to care.”

Helen Davis Jayalth, senior analyst for Screen Digest, offered global and U.S. statistics that backed that statement up: High-def spending will barely register compared to DVD in 2007, and studios’ hopes that DVD will be supplanted by either HD DVD or Blu-ray right away seems far-fetched.

“DVD completely transformed the way we relate to home entertainment. That will never happen again,” she said.

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Research from Screen Digest shows spending on DVD has been static since 2004. While more home media product has been sold year after year, the price for a DVD is dropping year after year.

To counter this, high-def has emerged, but it’s been slow to catch on, Jayalth said. In 1998, the second year of DVD, those who owned a player were buying 8.9 DVDs each. In comparison, owners of Blu-ray and HD DVD set-top boxes are buying an average of 3.6 movies each. PlayStation 3 owners are buying only one movie.

“The backwards compatibility of DVDs and high-def means people won’t have to replace their libraries,” she explained.

HD DVD dominates the standalone player market right now, but because of the PS3, Blu-ray by the end of the year will have an 8-to-1 overall advantage in terms of total worldwide players, she said. That may not matter, though, as Screen Digest forecasts that both formats are here to stay.

“Both formats are well established … and we expect them to coexist,” Jayalth said.

By 2012, HD DVD and Blu-ray could be seeing a 50-50 split in software sales, compared to the 2-to-1 advantage Blu-ray has enjoyed most of this year, she added. DVD will slowly give way to high-def, with high-def accounting for half of home entertainment media sales by 2012, according to Screen Digest research.

“Studio content is going to be key to mass market adoption,” Jayalth said, adding that until studios “reassess their format allegiances,” neither high-def format will be able to claim victory.

Judith McCourt, of the research firm The Redhill Group, shared statistics that showed the news isn’t all bad for high-def. More than 7 million software units have been sold, and the dedicated hardware base is actually growing faster than that of DVD during its first two years, she said. In November, high-def software sales were past 1 million for the first time. And with 36% of U.S. households owning a high-def TV by the end of the year, the high-def software numbers will only go higher.

Still, “consumers really just don’t get it,” McCourt said, pointing to their attitudes. “They don’t understand the value proposition … [they think] what they have is good enough.”

She said better data collection should help studios understand what consumers are thinking about when it comes to high-def.
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BobTheFork

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Whats the cheapest place I can get PE Blu-ray? I saw someone mention Bestbuy having it for 60 bux but I think thats over. BB up'd my credit without me asking : ) so I might as well put myself in debt.

Edit: ^^^ Hey in 5 years it could be equal :lol.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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BobTheFork said:
Edit: ^^^ Hey in 5 years it could be equal :lol.
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I agree with some things in that article, and disagree with others, but that line just puzzled me. On what grounds does she expect them to even out? How can anyone predict that?
 
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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Ignatz Mouse said:
Anyway, I don't see how I lose personally, as either outcome is fine with me.
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I'm not interested in seeing you lose, but if you're going to be so quick to marginalize my opinion, tread carefully. :)

It's certainly not out of the question in my mind that one format could ultimately win, but I also think most of the regular posters in this thread are too close to the format war not to see certain central issues as larger than life. How is the overhead for dual format really significantly different from single format when you take a moment to realize what a hodgepodge either single format is on its own, supporting multiple video codecs, audio codecs, DRM mechanisms, multiple interactivity layers and of course backward compatability with the prior CD and DVD standards. Once you eliminate the overlap between them because they already cover so much ground individually, the overhead of supporting both is truly incremental, IMO.

What I think keeps studios ostensibly making BD and HDDVD formatted content while the rest of the world moves on and thinks they're buying into one HDM format is that different studios probably genuinely prefer one development environment to another and/or one set of development partners to another, as producing HDM becomes as much an exercise in software development as it is a content authoring one, moreso than DVD before it.
 
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dallow_bg

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Ignatz Mouse said:
I agree with some things in that article, and disagree with others, but that line just puzzled me. On what grounds does she expect them to even out? How can anyone predict that?
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Well, if we still have two formats in 5 years, I'll definitely be owning two players (or a combo player).
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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dallow_bg said:
Well, if we still have two formats in 5 years, I'll definitely be owning two players (or a combo player).
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Oh, no doubt. If we don't have a clear winner within a year I probably will too, and certainly if we don't after another holiday. I won;t even wait that long if WB goes Red.

No, I was questioning the prediction that the formats would have a 50/50 split. They don't have that now, how does one presume to think they will as long from now as 5 years?
 
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SUPREME1

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LITTLE HELP:


Do you absolutely need the UPC code from the box if you want to redeem/request the 5 free HD DVDs through the mail?!

I have the receipt, but the box was tossed out without anyone asking me!!!!


Will the receipt do? ?!?!?!
 
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BobTheFork

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Ignatz Mouse said:
I agree with some things in that article, and disagree with others, but that line just puzzled me. On what grounds does she expect them to even out? How can anyone predict that?
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yeah, just the idea that she can tell whats going to happne that far ahead.
Question still stands, anyone know the cheapest place to pick up Planet Earth?
 
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OokieSpookie

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The Main Event said:
http://www.allthingshidef.com

High-Def 2.0 Conference Focuses on Establishing High-Def Media
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:lol
I will not go into most of that tripe, but I will address this part:
In 1998, the second year of DVD, those who owned a player were buying 8.9 DVDs each. In comparison, owners of Blu-ray and HD DVD set-top boxes are buying an average of 3.6 movies each. PlayStation 3 owners are buying only one movie.
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It is kind of sad how most people gloss over the reason for things like this, and that is that people do not want to buy multiple players.
I can not count the people that I know who have one or both players but refuse to buy unless it is a huge title and are content to just sit back and rent until this is decided.
I also know quite a few who every week look at titles on one side or the other and say "I would have picked that up if it was on blu" or reversed.
I know that hd supporters more and more want to push the "can't we all get along" multi format future thing but the bottom line is (of course it is just my often repeated opinion) multi format future is a very short future and a future of mediocrity.
 
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OokieSpookie

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ImperialConquest said:
LITTLE HELP:


Do you absolutely need the UPC code from the box if you want to redeem/request the 5 free HD DVDs through the mail?!

I have the receipt, but the box was tossed out without anyone asking me!!!!


Will the receipt do? ?!?!?!
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Unfortunately yes
 
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Bulla564

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By 2012, HD DVD and Blu-ray could be seeing a 50-50 split in software sales, compared to the 2-to-1 advantage Blu-ray has enjoyed most of this year, she added. DVD will slowly give way to high-def, with high-def accounting for half of home entertainment media sales by 2012, according to Screen Digest research.
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Is there any indication that this could happen based on current trends?

I know it is redundant to question analyst predictions, but this one struck out as rather odd.
 
Xisiqomelir

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Bulla564 said:
Is there any indication that this could happen based on current trends?

I know it is redundant to question analyst predictions, but this one struck out as rather odd.
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Screen Digest forecast PS3 leading in all regions and Wii coming 3rd in Japan.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Xisiqomelir said:
Screen Digest forecast PS3 leading in all regions and Wii coming 3rd in Japan.
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:lol

And that's the "analyst after analyst" that's been predicting stalemate.

I can't wait for 6 weeks from now. A lot of this crap will be behind us, or I'll likely be giving up caring.
 
Zoe

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Haha, I just saw a PS3 set up at an HEB Plus (grocery store) with Spider Man 3 playing. There is an electronics section, but I never imagined that anybody would actually buy anything from there :lol
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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That's really not bad for HD-DVD. At AVS (I was bored, I dared) they were saying maybe even an HD-DVD winning week, but then again, that board tends to be a little gung-ho HD-DVD.
 
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OokieSpookie

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Ignatz Mouse said:
That's really not bad for HD-DVD. At AVS (I was bored, I dared) they were saying maybe even an HD-DVD winning week, but then again, that board tends to be a little gung-ho HD-DVD.
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Blu had nothing but carry over numbers and a Lindsey Lohan movie, hd had a "buy day" and some at least known titles ( even though crappy ones ).
If HD ever ever ever ever ever had a chance to win a week, that was it.
After this it just gets nasty.


Blu had:
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (Bandai Visual) (never hit stores and only on order)
The Omega Man (Warner)
Paprika (Sony)
I Know Who Killed Me (Sony)

HD had:
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks)
Hot Rod (Paramount)
Mr. Bean's Holiday (Universal)
Old School (Paramount)
The Omega Man (Warner)
 
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OokieSpookie said:
Blu had:
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (Bandai Visual) (never hit stores and only on order)
The Omega Man (Warner)
Paprika (Sony)
I Know Who Killed Me (Sony)

HD had:
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (DreamWorks)
Hot Rod (Paramount)
Mr. Bean's Holiday (Universal)
Old School (Paramount)
The Omega Man (Warner)
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Pretty weak on both sides, actually. Why would anybody care to re-buy Anchorman or Old School? I mean, upscaled is fine for crappy comedies I would think. Now, if it had some blockbuster in there for HD-DVD and those were the numbers, then yeah, I would agree with your point.
 
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OokieSpookie

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Jeff-DSA said:
Pretty weak on both sides, actually. Why would anybody care to re-buy Anchorman or Old School? I mean, upscaled is fine for crappy comedies I would think. Now, if it had some blockbuster in there for HD-DVD and those were the numbers, then yeah, I would agree with your point.
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Eh perhaps.
I would have bought Bean being a Rowan Atkinson fan at least.
I wonder when people will realize that their little buy days do not work.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Buy days are a staple of guerrilla (aka viral) marketing. Even when they don't win a week, they get things noticed that otherwise would be overlooked. OTOH, I think we're past that stage by now. We have a whole year of trends and a lot more attention on the market than we did even 6 months ago.
 
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orio7

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Yeah crappy week for both formats in terms of releases. Wouldn't surprise me if this week was the weakest ever or at least for the year, for HD media in terms of sales, to be honest.
 
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Kintaro

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orio7 said:
Yeah crappy week for both formats in terms of releases. Wouldn't surprise me if this week was the weakest ever or at least for the year, for HD media in terms of sales, to be honest.
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I hate all of you. Paprika and Jin-Roh both fucking rock. <runs away crying>
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

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That may not matter, though, as Screen Digest forecasts that both formats are here to stay.
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Oh, well gosh, it has been written, I guess.

Xisiqomelir said:
Screen Digest forecast PS3 leading in all regions and Wii coming 3rd in Japan.
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Oh, forget it. :lol
 
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avaya

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Xisiqomelir said:
Screen Digest forecast PS3 leading in all regions and Wii coming 3rd in Japan.
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How can they forecast that and still say Blu-ray HD-DVD will be 50-50 with a straight face :lol :lol
 
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OokieSpookie

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Kintaro said:
I hate all of you. Paprika and Jin-Roh both fucking rock. <runs away crying>
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Jin Roh is great, hopefully it will actually hit retail soon so I won't have to order it :lol
(Though i can just drive to anime nation if needed)
 
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Stinkles

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VanMardigan said:
Stupid security tape crap. Got Deja Vu and PoTC from the deep discount BOGO and both cases are smudged/torn from removing that stupid security crap. :(
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The worst is when peeling it off stretches and damages the plastic sleeve. FUCK YOU DISNEY NOBODY IS THAT DESPERATE TO STEAL PEARL HARBOR!!!!!!!
 
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newsguy

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Damn this thread moves too fast! Anyway, wanted to come in and say that Superbad is a beautiful transfer. Sharpness is amazing and the clors pop like they're in 4 dimensions! Seriously, I bought it cause I loved the film, but I didn't expect to be blown away by the PQ considering the genre.
 
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VanMardigan

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Jeff-DSA said:
Pretty weak on both sides, actually. Why would anybody care to re-buy Anchorman or Old School? I mean, upscaled is fine for crappy comedies I would think. Now, if it had some blockbuster in there for HD-DVD and those were the numbers, then yeah, I would agree with your point.
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One man's trash is another man's treasue. I plan to buy both Anchorman AND Old School. Anchorman will actually be my first dvd/HD DVD double dip, since I already own the movie. And the other comedies I already own (Meet the Parents, Breakup, You Me and Dupree) are a big step up from the dvd versions. Can't wait for Wedding Crashers.

I do, however, agree with the greater point that comedies aren't a big draw for HD.
 
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Fëanor

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OokieSpookie said:
Blu had nothing but carry over numbers and a Lindsey Lohan movie, hd had a "buy day" and some at least known titles ( even though crappy ones ).
If HD ever ever ever ever ever had a chance to win a week, that was it.
After this it just gets nasty.
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Quite honestly, outside of internet forums most people don't know when BD or HD have sales to begin with. "Buy day"? Man, that sounds pretty sad no matter the camp is coming from.
 
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Fëanor

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VanMardigan said:
One man's trash is another man's treasue. I plan to buy both Anchorman AND Old School. Anchorman will actually be my first dvd/HD DVD double dip, since I already own the movie. And the other comedies I already own (Meet the Parents, Breakup, You Me and Dupree) are a big step up from the dvd versions. Can't wait for Wedding Crashers.

I do, however, agree with the greater point that comedies aren't a big draw for HD.
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I would like to own both Anchorman and Old School, but I really don't care about comedies being in HD. Well.... I guess I do since I do own Hot Fuzz hahaha.:D :D
 
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OokieSpookie

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VanMardigan said:
One man's trash is another man's treasue. I plan to buy both Anchorman AND Old School. Anchorman will actually be my first dvd/HD DVD double dip, since I already own the movie. And the other comedies I already own (Meet the Parents, Breakup, You Me and Dupree) are a big step up from the dvd versions. Can't wait for Wedding Crashers.

I do, however, agree with the greater point that comedies aren't a big draw for HD.
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I am one of those that eventually will replace everything with blu when the chance arises I really see no reason not to.
Comedy or not.
 
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I don't know where to post this and whether this deserved it's own thread. But there's rumour that Apple's new Mac Pros expected at January's Macworld my introduce the option to include Blu-ray drives. Interesting...

Mac Pro, Leopard performance boost at Macworld?

Apple will kick off the new year with more than just a computer upgrade, according to a rumor from MacBidouille.

The January 15th keynote for IDG's Macworld San Francisco expo will see Mac Pros using new 45-nanometer, quad-core Xeons based on Intel's Penryn architecture, the French outlet reports -- systems which AppleInsider said earlier this year were dependent on Intel's supply of new processors before manufacturing could begin, and which would be available by the early 2008 event. These will clock up to the predicted 3.2GHz and use new video cards, including NVIDIA's latest Quadro FX workstation models.

A Blu-ray drive should also be an option, the site claims.
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I don't know how reliable MacBidouille is so take this with all the salt you can find.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
djkimothy said:
I don't know where to post this and whether this deserved it's own thread. But there's rumour that Apple's new Mac Pros expected at January's Macworld my introduce the option to include Blu-ray drives. Interesting...



I don't know how reliable MacBidouille is so take this with all the salt you can find.
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Why wouldn't it be an option? It's an option now for anyone with a credit card...

http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/
 
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Stinkles

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terrene said:
Yeah, but come on, having it preinstalled by Apple and selectable on their order page is pretty cool. They already have their wallets open when they're on the "customize your system" form...
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I guess....

It just never occured to me that Blu Ray was somehow inaccessible to Macs. Obviously creative people have been using Blu Ray burners on Macs for months.
 
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