DarthWaiter
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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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walmart got the hda2 for about 180 bucks. which is what amazon and bb sold them for.
we know this bc
1) toshiba said so. all those sales were done by retail not toshiba.
2) this statement was backed up by walmart. in the states where loss leaders are illegal (retail cant sell a product at a loss) walmart couldnt have the 99 dale, and instead sold for 184.
firesale = every hddvd player and all movies dirt cheap. see sega dreamcast or saturn.
a single sku being sold to make way for a new sku isnt the same. a real firesale wouldnt have a new model coming out to replace it.
we know this bc
1) toshiba said so. all those sales were done by retail not toshiba.
2) this statement was backed up by walmart. in the states where loss leaders are illegal (retail cant sell a product at a loss) walmart couldnt have the 99 dale, and instead sold for 184.
firesale = every hddvd player and all movies dirt cheap. see sega dreamcast or saturn.
a single sku being sold to make way for a new sku isnt the same. a real firesale wouldnt have a new model coming out to replace it.
OokieSpookie
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VanMardigan said:
Nice attempt at that whole silver lining thing
Snah said:
The best $150m Toshiba ever spent, not to mention a bold move. It would have been certainly a lot worse if Paramount was still neutral. Which brings me back to the point the HD DVD group will not go away quietly. I really thought that Warner was going blu only soon but it looks Toshiba and friends did some business moves again to make Warner stay neutral. We'll see.
I have about 10 HD DVDs, and actually getting a little ticked off about this format war. I would prefer a winner, blu I thought, red? long long shot. But it doesnt look like it will end this year. What to do for me? Turn purple and enjoy my HD movies.
THere will be some transitional period (say 2 years or so) where studios will continue to release in multiple formats.shidoshi said:
Once dual-format players become dominant (i.e. 90%+ of installed players), the cost of allocating shelf space to multiple formats will outweigh any lost sales from releasing in a single format. At that point, the choice will simply be based on manufacturing efficiency.
Note that I said "once" dual format players become dominant, not "if."
markom58 said:
The bold move part, I can agree with. Best money ever spent? Well, only if HD-DVD somehow turns the tides and wins this thing, which it has a zero shot at right now. What's more likely to happen is that it'll end up being the biggest waste of money they've ever spent.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Ah, dependable Snah.
OokieSpookie
Banned
He is completely correctIgnatz Mouse said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
So, do you know or not? Save your stupid sarcasm for the bluray forums.
Captain N said:
I thankfully don't have to do that anymore. Just like dvd, I don't have to care about which studio did what movie.
markom58 said:
It was meant to stay in it this fall, with hopes of seriously turning the tides by dropping prices on their players dramatically. Just buying them time and delaying the inevitable is not their end objective, I can assure you. It is only well spent if it ends up allowing HD-DVD to actually become the standard format, which is very unlikely given how things have turned out this Christmas. If their end goal is not met, then the money is an incredible waste.
Basically, they paid $150 million hoping that Transformers and Shrek would be enough to change things for this holiday season. Next year, Paramount doesn't have anything that I've seen that can compare to those two titles since Indiana Jones will appear on Blu-Ray if it appears on HD at all.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Actually, if Toshiba makes more than 150 million dollars from Paramount/Dreamworks licensing and increased marketshare as a result, then it was definitely worth it. They don't need to win the war if they make money off of the deal for it to be worth it. I assure you, it was definitely worth the price they paid, as a result they have sold more players and more overall movies as a result from every other movie studio. But you wouldn't understand that, would you?
Chiggs
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Snah said:
Their lineup looks decent, maybe a couple of surprise hits. Iron Man could be big; not Transformers big, but still...
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/startreknews.php?id=40028
I, for one, will envy those lucky HD-DVD owners who get to witness Cloverfield in HD. Those lucky ducks! Why, it was just yesterday that I was gushing over how extraordinary The Blair Witch Project looked on FEARNET HD.
Edit: Holy Dogshit!
Eagle Eye (2008)
Another Hollywood gem!
OokieSpookie
Banned
VanMardigan said:
For someone "neutral" you do get rather cranky around numbers time for some reason.
AlteredBeast said:
Let's see, they paid $150 million to Paramount so they could sell more players at a loss and hope to recoup that investment off software sales?
If you can assure me the price they paid was worth it (which, you can't, it's all speculation), then you'd be able to put a more realistic figure on the net gain from Paramount. It could be that the amount of players sold would have still been the same, if only because it was an extreme price drop to begin with and they would still have had Transformers and Shrek on HD-DVD regardless, it just wouldn't have been exclusive. They still had plenty of exclusives with Bourne, Batman Begins, etc to make people want an HD-DVD player.
Rhindle said:
Go back to what I wrote. Even if the dedicated hardware market is 90% combo players, the largest single piece of HD hardware period is the PlayStation 3 (currently, obviously, but I'd guess it will continue to be so for at least the next few years), even if not all owners are also then Blu-ray viewers.
Why, at that point, would you produce HD-DVDs instead of Blu-rays, and ignore the potential of that installed base? As I said, if all else is equal, why as a company would you not release your titles on Blu-ray over HD-DVD, when Blu-ray would have Combos + PS3 versus just Combos?
The next question, of course, is why would anybody produce HD-DVD titles in that position at all, and in that situation, why HD-DVD should even continue to exist.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Snah said:
Transformers sold more HD-DVD players than any other movie. Having that exclusive certainly gave HD-DVD a chance during certain months in which Blu-Ray had some heavy hitters exclusive to BR.
Then, once people owned the HD-DVD players, they weren't going to sit on their thumbs, as a result they are buying more movies for the format.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
I asked a question, and your reply was straight from the pits of the bluray forum. That would make me cranky. The numbers, they don't upset me. I bought my HD DVD add-on, as did you, when the numbers were worse than this.
btw, did you sell it while you were banned? Does that mean you won't sell me the movies you said you would?
AlteredBeast said:
With the extreme measures and cost reduction they resorted to this holiday season the players would have sold briskly regardless. Transformers was a big exclusive, but they have plenty of exclusives from Universal that were big (Bourne series), and some absolutely huge Warner exclusives (Matrix, Batman, V).
But you can't put that into a dollar amount, if I were to speculate it would come nowhere near the amount of money they paid (which, we still don't know exactly).
You would release movies in a single format because Walmart and Best Buy will MAKE you. No retailer is going to dedicate twice the shelf space to get an addition 5% or 10% in sales.shidoshi said:
Remember this is 2-4 years from now, by which point PS3 (and 360) will include universal drives, and the early single-format players will be a drop in the bucket.
HD-DVD could very well emerge as the dominant manufacturing format because 90%+ of the world's DVD manufacturing capacity can be easily retrofitted for HD-DVD production.
The Main Event
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http://www.dvdforum.org/sc-letter-voting-40-41.htm
I guess we can expect more details at CES this Sunday.
I guess we can expect more details at CES this Sunday.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
OokieSpookie said:
I actually agree, but his polished reply when one wasn't really needed-- you could set your watch by by it.
Logic isn't necessarily the guiding principle here, at least not for the most invested players in each particular format. All well and good to say that neither side wants a stalemate, but neither side wants the other side to win either. Logic didn't really have a lot to do with establishing two competing formats that are functionally similar in the first place and the PS3 has been a factor since the beginning as well, yet companies have still chosen to bet against it.shidoshi said:
This isn't about wanting to support both formats but rather what's the most likely workaround for the more divisive aspects of the format clash.
miyamotofreak
Banned
Anyone want to buy the copy of Spider-Man 3 that came with my PS3 from me? It's still sealed.
Black Deatha
Member
oatmeal said:In Calgary, and still no dice
It's pissing me off.
Yep, still the same story here in BC for me. WHAT THE HELL?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Got Blade Runner suitcase edition last night even though I was initially going for a regular edition. Since I couldn't find the regular one on BD anywhere, I ended up buying suitcase in the second store I visited (even that was sold out in the first Best Buy I was in)
Can't say I regretted as the whole package is great and not that expensive either. That lenticular in particular is *nice* and a perfect supplement for the movie's aesthetic.
I'm seriously amazed at how well restored this is, and how amazing transfer is in general. Almost comparable to whatever most current best releases are. Such an insane contrast to the directors cut DVD that looked like poop was smeared all over the screen last time I tried to watch it.
Also got Close Encounters, and that's almost as good restore as well, very impressed with it, but I didn't watch it as much yet. Also nice that packaging is really professionally done and looks great just as the movie deserves
I was also eyeing HPrisoner of Azkhaban (realistically, the best HP movie, at least IMO) and Pirates 3 (gotta have it for visuals at least) but decided those two were more than enough for one day.
Can't say I regretted as the whole package is great and not that expensive either. That lenticular in particular is *nice* and a perfect supplement for the movie's aesthetic.
I'm seriously amazed at how well restored this is, and how amazing transfer is in general. Almost comparable to whatever most current best releases are. Such an insane contrast to the directors cut DVD that looked like poop was smeared all over the screen last time I tried to watch it.
Also got Close Encounters, and that's almost as good restore as well, very impressed with it, but I didn't watch it as much yet. Also nice that packaging is really professionally done and looks great just as the movie deserves
I was also eyeing HP
risoner of Azkhaban (realistically, the best HP movie, at least IMO) and Pirates 3 (gotta have it for visuals at least) but decided those two were more than enough for one day.brilliant brilliant post. absolutely spot on. about the only question in here is if affordable combo players can make it here before one side closes in on wrapping it up.Rhindle said:
as for this stuff about paramount being a bad investment or not.. let's look at if combo players become dominant this holiday season. Paramount already has the replication down for HD-DVD, they have the investment into learning the subsystem. They have the sotfware incompatibilities found and figured out... if combo players account for over 2/3 of player sales by this holiday, what incentive AT ALL is there for paramount to go BRD or even format neutral? if trending holds true, this coming holiday season more players will be sold just during the season than have been sold during all of 2006 and 2007. If 75% of those are combo players, that means the majority of hdm owners out there will be able to play their discs. no incentive to move to BRD on their own.
So was that $150m a good investment.. if it means that combo players become reality, what color case you release your movie in doesn't matter, and paramount pays HD-DVD licensing on media for the next 10 years... yeah, I'd say it was a good investment. sure there are a lot of ifs in there, but at this point that's all this stupid silly war is. if BRD can do this, if HD-DVD gets that. No one has any clue how this stupid war will eventually end.
Deadmeat has arisen on HDD Forums! :lol :lol
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/search.php?searchid=247229&pp=25
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/search.php?searchid=247229&pp=25
Ignatz Mouse
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avaya said:
My god, he's a FUD factory.
I wasn't surprised to learn last year that he was Nobody's Perfect from Usenet in the 90's.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Who is he and why do you guys keep posting about him?
And that link goes nowhere.
And that link goes nowhere.
Ignatz Mouse
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He's a famous, longtime anti-Sony troll. Since, like, 1995 or so (or the early days of this forum, for his Deadmeat identity).
So he's somewhat ex-GAF.
So he's somewhat ex-GAF.
plagiarize
Banned
just wanted to chime in here with the praise for Blade Runner. picked it up on Blu-Ray since my 360 is currently dead... and wow. HD makes good practical effects look so much better, unlike CGI which HD makes look worse.
makes me pine for Alien so hard. HEY FOX WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?
makes me pine for Alien so hard. HEY FOX WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?
borghe said:
exactly, if/when combo players take the market it means that Uni and Paramount will stay HDDVD and the BRD studios will remain BRD. Then its a matter of where WB goes. It doesnt really matter to the customer at that point, its all back office politics of who gets the royaltees for the sales of WB movies. Expect lots of moneyhatting in this case to get them on board.
J6P is happy because he can just go to the store and buy a movie. Toshiba is happy because they at least manage to get 30% of HDM royaltees going forward, Sony is probably not very happy. We are all happy because these ugly blue and red boxes probably go away.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I've heard some of the visual effects scenes in BR Final Cut were re-done in CG? Is that true, and if so, which ones? I actually hope this is not true :\ it didn't seemed to be the case from what I've seen at least (I've seen at most 1/4 of the film last night)
plagiarize
Banned
it's not true. there's been some digital clean up of the practical effects, and they digitally inserted Joanna Cassidy's face onto the stunt woman when Zhora was smashing through all the glass (very seamlessly i might add).Marconelly said:
also, they digitally removed some of the cables you could see lifting the spinners.
they haven't redone any of the mattes or models with cgi or anything like that.
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