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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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avaya

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Opus Angelorum said:
HD-DVD Defense Force, assemble!

And remember, the founding member is one Mandy Moore:

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:D

She's Sony-BMG, that means she's hot for Blu-ray ;-)
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Cheesemeister said:
Nathan Fillion: currently filming Trucker
Summer Glau: currently starring in The Sarah Connor Chronicles
Morena Baccarin: appearing in Stargate: The Ark of Truth
Alan Tudyk: currently filming a pilot for Barry Sonnenfeld
Gina Torres: wrapped on Don't Let Me Drown
Adam Baldwin: wrapped on Gospel Hill
Jewel Staite: appearing in The Tribe
Sean Maher: not working?
Ron Glass: not working?
Is SG: Ark of Truth some new project? And Jewel Staite is still on Stargate Atlantis, isn't she?
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
kaching said:
Is SG: Ark of Truth some new project? And Jewel Staite is still on Stargate Atlantis, isn't she?

Stargate Ark of Truth finished filming months ago, unless she is doing something new (other then looking hot) she is doing nothing.

FYI: Ark of Truth is one of two new Stargate movies, first one finishes up the Ori-arc storyline, second one is standalone. And yeah Jewel is on SGA atm.
 
bune duggy said:
ok, you do know that's a scene from a movie right?
Absolutely. In fact, I've watched it. That's why I found it so funny. Whoever made it, did an outstanding job. Also, lest anyone think I'm fanboy cheering, I'm applauding the comedic genius and execution of that video.
 
Trying to watch THE KINGDOM right now on my 360 add-on and after agreeing to accept a cookie I got stuck looking at a loading screen which never ended. Had to restart before the movie would finally play.

Cookies? Loading screens? All I want to do is watch a fucking movie. Fuck HD-DVD, Im glad it's dead.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Gary Whitta said:
Trying to watch THE KINGDOM right now on my 360 add-on and after agreeing to accept a cookie I got stuck looking at a loading screen which never ended. Had to restart before the movie would finally play.

Cookies? Loading screens? All I want to do is watch a fucking movie. Fuck HD-DVD, Im glad it's dead.

Standalones ftw.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
Nicodimas said:
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Go To Avs and find a thread about a samsung blu-ray sometime :). Both sides will have there flawed players. Actually I will save you some time:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=943967

If you go Hd-dvd you gotta go with a XA-2//A-35
If go blu its between the panasonic or the station.

I am glad you judge all from one :p

Sidenote: Up to 73 discs now. :)


The problem being that HD-DVD players are only made by Toshiba ... and all gen 3 models are shit for serious A/V. The XA-2 is the only decent player they've made, but it obviously ain't cheap (in case you don't know, the A-35's deinterlacing is broken ... so the 1080p output is basically useless).


That's the problem with have no CE support (no to mention, cost-cutting since they're subsidizing the HW). No competition and cut-rate sales = iffy design and features.



So while BD has flawed players too, they also have some good ones ... and they will continue to get better, both as current CE's improve their designs ... and as more and more manufacturers jump in.
 

Nicodimas

Banned
The xa-2 is not just decent player Onix as you know, its outstanding. I think both sides know the amount of support + Reon made it that way. (I own it so i may be skewed $450+7 movies deal)

The only thing it lacks is something absolutely mind-boggling to me. Playback on movies after you turn it off. It has the memory why not FW update this!

(in case you don't know, the A-35's deinterlacing is broken ... so the 1080p output is basically useless)

I have not heard that before. Considering many people argue the 1080p is better than the xa-2, I hope that is not true. I think you are thinking of the a-30 because they use different chips which i do know about it having issues.

I am glad you did not try to argue for the sammies though...:lol
So while BD has flawed players too, they also have some good ones ... and they will continue to get better, both as current CE's improve their designs ... and as more and more manufacturers jump in.

When Toshiba joins the market with a duel player I hope they undercut the hell out of it. :)
 
So will a release of El Mariachi benefit from HD seeing as it was shot on 16mm film but got the expensive transfer to 35mm? Or is it something like 28 Days Later?

Sony's big on box sets, they should do one for this film series.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
bune duggy said:
So will a release of El Mariachi benefit from HD seeing as it was shot on 16mm film but got the expensive transfer to 35mm? Or is it something like 28 Days Later?

Sony's big on box sets, they should do one for this film series.


16mm still contains significantly more detail than 480p. There's plenty of benefit to cleaning up the crappy print too.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
ManaByte said:
Standalones ftw.


My Pioneer Elite decided to keep The Lives of Others last night. I had to hard reset it to get the disk out, which means waiting nearly a minute to simply eject a disk.

Standalones have a lot of benefits, but they are nowhere near ftw yet.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Stinkles said:
My Pioneer Elite decided to keep The Lives of Others last night. I had to hard reset it to get the disk out, which means waiting nearly a minute to simply eject a disk.

Standalones have a lot of benefits, but they are nowhere near ftw yet.

My A20 has done that.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
Nicodimas said:
The xa-2 is not just decent player Onix as you know, its outstanding. I think both sides know the amount of support + Reon made it that way. (I own it so i may be skewed $450+7 movies deal)

The only thing it lacks is something absolutely mind-boggling to me. Playback on movies after you turn it off. It has the memory why not FW update this!

It's a fine player, but it's not like it is the be-all, end-all (issue you mentioned, lack of DTS-MA decoding, borked 24fps SD output, etc). Unfortunately, it is the best we'll ever see.

IIRC, it actually does have a number of actual 'bugs', but I'd need to find the official thread for it.

I have not heard that before. Considering many people argue the 1080p is better than the xa-2, I hope that is not true. I think you are thinking of the a-30 because they use different chips which i do know about it having issues.

Unfortunately, all gen3 players use the same deinterlacing (based on the a-25), its other parts that are different.

Its 1080p60 HD-DVD output is broken, as is its 720p, 1080p60 and 1080p24 DVD output. You may want to look it up over at AVS. There have been numerous threads about it and other issues, though you can find it listed in the OP of the 'official A-35 thread' (along with the other known problems)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=925599

I am glad you did not try to argue for the sammies though...:lol

I'm really not trolling HDM ... I attempt to remain objective about this shit. Sammy's new players have potential, but their current products (especially the 1st gen ... ugh) were crap.


When Toshiba joins the market with a duel player I hope they undercut the hell out of it. :)

I don't see how that's possible. They will only make a combo unit once HD-DVD really is dead. At that time, they won't have licensing fees to lean on, so they will need to actually make a profit on the HW.

With that in mind, I don't see how they can price things like they have while trying to establish HD-DVD. If they were to do something like this, it would be short-lived. Also, I would really fear for the quality of the unit, given their current offerings.
 

Nicodimas

Banned
I don't see how that's possible. They will only make a combo unit once HD-DVD really is dead. At that time, they won't have licensing fees to lean on, so they will need to actually make a profit on the HW.

With that in mind, I don't see how they can price things like they have while trying to establish HD-DVD. If they were to do something like this, it would be short-lived. Also, I would really fear for the quality of the unit, given their current offerings.

Great point ..I was thinking they would not have pay so much for there own tech and just the licensing to BRC. They have the tech and infrastructure there. I really do not know how this part works though at all to be honest..

IIRC, it actually does have a number of actual 'bugs', but I'd need to find the official thread for it.

It does and they really random now. No memory playback something which a 50 dollar dvd player has. I still hoping for one more FW update. Bass still a problem. Shutdown error(more of a batch error jan 2007 models <~ stay away). Complicated setup.

I flipped my first Xa-2 I got the Jan model. Loud fan got me to switch within a week.
 

Argyle

Member
Gary Whitta said:
Trying to watch THE KINGDOM right now on my 360 add-on and after agreeing to accept a cookie I got stuck looking at a loading screen which never ended. Had to restart before the movie would finally play.

Cookies? Loading screens? All I want to do is watch a fucking movie. Fuck HD-DVD, Im glad it's dead.

It's not really any better with a standalone player - I think my A2 is one of the least consumer-friendly pieces of tech I own, from the long boot times, to network configuration issues, to the loading screens (it took around 60 seconds on Eastern Promises, which I rented from Netflix - BD standalones probably aren't much better when they are spinning up the Java VM, but I thought it was an HD DVD talking point that they load faster)...
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
yeah...after looking at the movies blu has so far...

the only movie that interest me on blu is Jay and Silent Bob

rest is meh...not enough to warrant me to buy a $300 player


but when they're $100 at Walmart at 8am, I'll get one...until then

I'll stick with hd-dvd. I don't have enough room for another player near my tv.

Argyle said:
It's not really any better with a standalone player - I think my A2 is one of the least consumer-friendly pieces of tech I own, from the long boot times, to network configuration issues, to the loading screens (it took around 60 seconds on Eastern Promises, which I rented from Netflix - BD standalones probably aren't much better when they are spinning up the Java VM, but I thought it was an HD DVD talking point that they load faster)...

it's internet content man...when you boot up, it loads the internet files

main thing hd-dvd boost and what blu backers saying is coming out...they'll have the same problem..

only way to get rid of it is disconnect the ethernet cable before booting up or clear out the files from the player's menu.
 
Question, why doesn't/can't the PS3 identify the title of a DVD or BD movie from the XMB the way it does games and demos? Seems like that should be a no-brainer; when I put in a BD I'd like to see a little animated icon or whatnot indicating the movie, not just a generic disc and "BD-ROM".

Firmware update?
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Gary Whitta said:
Question, why doesn't/can't the PS3 identify the title of a DVD or BD movie from the XMB the way it does games and demos? Seems like that should be a no-brainer; when I put in a BD I'd like to see a little animated icon or whatnot indicating the movie, not just a generic disc and "BD-ROM".

Firmware update?


More importantly, why do Blu Ray disks feel thick and slimy? Am I the only one?
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Gary Whitta said:
Question, why doesn't/can't the PS3 identify the title of a DVD or BD movie from the XMB the way it does games and demos? Seems like that should be a no-brainer; when I put in a BD I'd like to see a little animated icon or whatnot indicating the movie, not just a generic disc and "BD-ROM".

Firmware update?
Spidermans and close encounters among others do exactly that.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Hmm I guess it's up to individual discs to either code that in or not then...
Sony's discs are the only ones that do it, and they only started doing it with the release of Black Book and whatever else came out that week.
 
Stinkles said:
More importantly, why do Blu Ray disks feel thick and slimy? Am I the only one?
lol because Sony too is thick, slimy and slippery amirite? lulz

Real Answer:

Scratch protection. It's a good thing.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
I always thought BDs felt thinner (to the touch at least) than DVDs. I think the rounded edge makes them seem that way.

Gary Whitta said:
Question, why doesn't/can't the PS3 identify the title of a DVD or BD movie from the XMB the way it does games and demos? Seems like that should be a no-brainer; when I put in a BD I'd like to see a little animated icon or whatnot indicating the movie, not just a generic disc and "BD-ROM".

Firmware update?
BDs have to have some PS3 specific files on them to support the icon+name feature. Some have them (I think those recently made by Sony), most are not.

DVDs, I don't know how would PS3 know what the name of the movie on the disc? It displays whatever the disc label is, same as your PC would do if you put that disc in.
 
OokieSpookie said:
I think that the blu commercials, especially the Disney ones do a rather stellar job of describing how the formats improve over dvd.

I've been saying for the last year at least that Toshiba and Sony have been awful at representing the benefits of their formats. 6 times better and more great tells people nothing. Print ads in magazines since release have been brutal and essentially the same between both formats. The only Disney one I've seen is where they cut the word "Blue" from sentances from Disney movies and piece them together. Not impressed by that one but there are likely others I'm not aware of.

Its a tough thing trying to show off benefits of the formats on peoples TVs if they don't have HD or no way of seeing the actual diff. Maybe they should have targeted commercials for movie theaters for that. Just recently the major displays at brick and mortar stores are using the formats to move TVs instead of their crappy looping piped in HD feed from 3 years ago.

Sony should be pushing BRD like mad around Super Bowl. That is one of the major times of year when people buy new TVs in North America.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
B.K. said:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.ht..._rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=358119301&pf_rd_i=193642011

Amazon has 89 HD-DVD titles starting as low as $14.99. I guess they're trying to clear out their stock.


still no half baked >_<


I wouldn't call it a clear out...probably a last ditch effort for Toshiba to make hd-dvd the better buy money wise.

$15 a movie + a $150 player vs. a $300/$400 player + $30 movies makes it seem hd-dvd is the better deal. The general, uneducated public doesn't know or probably care about the format war.
 
jobber said:
still no half baked >_<


I wouldn't call it a clear out...probably a last ditch effort for Toshiba to make hd-dvd the better buy money wise.

$15 a movie + a $150 player vs. a $300/$400 player + $30 movies makes it seem hd-dvd is the better deal. The general, uneducated public doesn't know or probably care about the format war.
They'll care as soon as they realize they can't play more than 2/3 of the movies they're interested in.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Gary Whitta said:
They'll care as soon as they realize they can't play more than 2/3 of the movies they're interested in.


True. That won't happen until dvd is dead which may be 10 years from now.
 

Snah

Banned
jobber said:
True. That won't happen until dvd is dead which may be 10 years from now.

Then they wouldn't be the audience looking to jump into next-gen media.

If they were, obviously, the logical choice is the victorious format that has the majority of the studio support and not the company looking to liquidate its remaining supply so it can join the winning side.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
Onix said:
I assume you have the 971 or 981 then?




I'm going to get the 980 soon. It's too bad its PAL->NTSC conversion isn't as good as the 981 ... but it has the other features I need (480i HDMI output, and better SACD/DVD-A performance w/ analog for when I use it with my tube-amp).

Granted, I only have a few PAL DVD's, so it isn't that big of deal to me.
981 yes.

I have lots of PAL stuff (mostly bootleg live concert videos) so it's what I need most.
 

BIG BUBBA

Did I mention it's time to cancel my Ratchet and Clank preorder yet?
This is a pretty stupid question, but what's supposed to look better--HDTV or Bluray/HDDVD?
 
BIG BUBBA said:
This is a pretty stupid question, but what's supposed to look better--HDTV or Bluray/HDDVD?
Bluy/HDD because it's 1080p, HDTV is only 720p.

Yay another Amazon sale; just picked up Casino Royale ($20) and Big Fish ($15). Blu-ray buying is compulsive!
 
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