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[Gary Whitta]

My mom came up to me and told me about it.


Yeah.
It hit the mainstream.

It's all because of that Hitler video.

 

[Forsete]

Where is that "flesh wound" picture when you need it?

 

[mr stroke]

This one is for us Trance lovers.

Good to see some BR love here, becuase the "Tiesto in Concert" dvd was a grain fest

now can we please get this on BR right away-

 

[terrene]

Forget Comcast On Demand, as a video rental service how is digital downloads any different from Pay Per View? A service that has been in effect since the 80s.

Uh, because Pay Per View isn't on demand?

 

[polyh3dron]

Where is that "flesh wound" picture when you need it?

 

[Oni Jazar]

Uh, because Pay Per View isn't on demand?

The service is very similar. Movies played on multiple channels 24/7 and you just wait until the movie re-starts itself which isn't that much different from waiting until the download is ready.

 

[Forsete]

:lol Thanks

 

[Gary Whitta]

The service is very similar. Movies played on multiple channels 24/7 and you just wait until the movie re-starts itself which isn't that much different from waiting until the download is ready.

Until the download is ready? With Comcast's On Demand you don't have to wait for anything, the movie always starts immediately.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

The one at my Best Buy was still up and running this morning

to be fair, I didn't say all Best Buys were taking the displays down.

http://www.tiesto.com/mailerdata/img/final_mailing_DVD_Copenhage.png

This one is for us Trance lovers.

"Blu-Ray DVD"? see, this is the problem - you keep calling it DVD and people get confused. You want a different product, you have to call it something different. HD-DVD combined with upscaling DVD players (HD DVD) is what confused people. "HD-DVD? I get that with my current one. I don't need anything new or fancy for that." I almost guarantee that was the thoughts of a few people. (Didn't say everyone, and I didn't say my mother-in-law bought transformers and it wouldn't play in her BRD player.

Lmao, both formats will fail, digital downloads will reign supreme because of xblm itunes movie rentals, and all the other services.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Uh, because Pay Per View isn't on demand?

How is it not?
It is called "On Demand", it allows you to pick from a list of movies and start it and stop it anytime that you want, it allows you to fast forward and rewind it anytime you want.
Please tell me how it is not on demand?

 

[terrene]

How is it not?
It is called "On Demand", it allows you to pick from a list of movies and start it and stop it anytime that you want, it allows you to fast forward and rewind it anytime you want.
Please tell me how it is not on demand?

Pay Per View != On Demand.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Wow

 

[OokieSpookie]

Pay Per View != On Demand.

PPV = Sports
On Demand = movies.
Do you really want to argue this considering that it is what I do for a living?

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[mckmas8808]

Pay Per View != On Demand.

I'm saying that it's very similar. So how are we going to go from small PPV money to DD movies taking over Physical Media by 2010?

 

[maharg]

Not really. For music or movies sales from the world market are equally as important. With the falling dollar this will become even more critical for content providers repatriating profits.

Any new standard will require a system that works well across all major Western markets. You can't exclude the world market. In terms of DD infrasturcture the US isn't even ahead of the UK and we are pretty much in the stone-age over here.

Not saying it's not important, just saying that it's where to look for consumer trends in a lot of ways. Using the world average when a major market is substantially ahead of the curve is a little deceptive. It at least requires a caveat notice.

South Korea's numbers on that chart are crazy btw.

I'm saying that it's very similar. So how are we going to go from small PPV money to DD movies taking over Physical Media by 2010?

Who on earth is saying 2010? This is a bit of a strawman. Not to mention a lofty goal. I doubt even the most ambitious would say that BR has a chance of supplanting DVD by 2010.

 

[Flo_Evans]

PPV = Sports
On Demand = movies.
Do you really want to argue this considering that it is what I do for a living?

I don't think you are doing your job very well!

there are PPV movies and on demand movies with my cable service...

 

[OokieSpookie]

I don't think you are doing your job very well!

there are PPV movies and on demand movies with my cable service...

PPV means the show starts at a scheduled time, like fights, wrestling, concerts.
On Demand means that you pick the movie, you go to the channel , you hit buy and the movie starts when you want it.
There are even free ones.
Not to mention HBO on demand, Cinemax on demand and those.
Most cable companies dropped ppv movies a long time ago where you had to go to the channel and then wait for the next showing.

 

[terrene]

PPV = Sports
On Demand = movies.
Do you really want to argue this considering that it is what I do for a living?

http://www.mybrighthouse.com/products/digital_cable/default.aspx

Yes, since you don't really seem to know wtf you're talking about. Pay Per View runs on a schedule that the customer doesn't choose. On Demand does not. The technological implications are fairly obvious, here. And it has nothing to do with Sports vs. Movies. Porn, concerts, and movies have been sold on PPV for years. Since you didn't read my link, let me quote it for you:

Pay-per-view (often abbreviated PPV) is the system in which television viewers can purchase events to be seen on TV and pay for the private telecast of that event to their homes. The event is shown at the same time to everyone ordering it, as opposed to video on demand systems, which allow viewers to see the event at any time. Events can be purchased using an on-screen guide, an automated telephone system, or through a live customer service representative. Events include feature films, sporting events, and pornographic movies.

I think "as opposed to video on demand" might be a key phrase for you here.

 

[mckmas8808]

Who on earth is saying 2010? This is a bit of a strawman. Not to mention a lofty goal. I doubt even the most ambitious would say that BR has a chance of supplanting DVD by 2010.

So when do you see DD taking off big time? I ask this because some people like to say Blu-ray doesn't stand a chance because DD will take off.

 

[Flo_Evans]

So when do you see DD taking off big time? I ask this because some people like to say Blu-ray doesn't stand a chance because DD will take off.

DD to me is already taken off as far as rentals go. I still use netflix though as the selection my cable company has at any given time is not what I want to watch.

DD for ownership will never really take off. Unless we get a much better storage devices than hard drives. I have lost so many digital photos and rare MP3s over the years to corrupted data it makes me want to cry.

 

[terrene]

So when do you see DD taking off big time? I ask this because some people like to say Blu-ray doesn't stand a chance because DD will take off.

It will take off when someone creates a perfect end-to-end model that offers something new and convenient like Apple did with iTunes > iPod.

If you could download high-def movies onto a portable player that had massive, massive storage capability, was sleek, could go anywhere, and be viewed on any TV you wanted, maybe you would have something. Among the issues:

+ Even using the VC-1 codecs with aggressive encoding, a feature-length 1080p film is 8-9gb, which is a very long download.
+ Storing a large number of high def movies would require many hundreds of gigs of storage space
+ Cramming that kind of technology into a convenient and portable device poses it's own challenges. A 1080p display is hundreds of dollars alone, nevermind the expensive technology to store and decode that kind of technology.
+ The movie industry has seen what happened to the "mp3-ization" of the music industry and would probably rather eat their mother's shit than go through that.
+ HD movie watchers are videophiles, or else they wouldn't have made the big investment, and would vastly prefer a 50gb version of a movie to the 8-9 gig version.

For rental service, sure, you can do a YouTube/Netflix type broadcast service, watch-once-and-destroy. But the idea that it will "replace" physical media is delusional.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

not sure if it's relevant but it's close.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Yes, since you don't really seem to know wtf you're talking about. Pay Per View runs on a schedule that the customer doesn't choose. On Demand does not. The technological implications are fairly obvious, here. And it has nothing to do with Sports vs. Movies. Porn, concerts, and movies have been sold on PPV for years. Since you didn't read my link, let me quote it for you:

I think "as opposed to video on demand" might be a key phrase for you here.

I know what PPV is, what I am saying is that most cable companies have on demand movies now and NOT ppv movies.
I know that mine does, I know comcast does, and I know fios does.
We stopped doing ppv movies long ago.
Now the customer picks what they want, when they want.
You originally said that what the cable companies have is not on demand.

 

[ManaByte]

not sure if it's relevant but it's close.

Actually AppleTV is more like OnDemand than DIVX. DIVX were physical discs you would purchase and they would stop working. AppleTV just works like a cable OnDemand service; without needing to pay a cable subscription on top of rental fees. PennyArcade fails again.

 

[VanMardigan]

Lmao, both formats will fail, digital downloads will reign supreme because of xblm itunes movie rentals, and all the other services.

That was quick ass tag change. Bish must've had that one on call for a while now. :lol

Even using the VC-1 codecs with aggressive encoding, a feature-length 1080p film is 8-9gb, which is a very long download.

I don't think they'll bother with 1080p. The download services right now seem to be pushing 720p, which they can still call HD, but takes up about half the space, even with a DD 5.1 soundtrack.

Remember, they only have to get to "good enough" HD, sort of like Apple only needed "good enough" 128mbps.

 

[ManaByte]

Just finished watching it. I saw it twice in theaters (in 3D) and it just keeps getting better each time I watch it. It's way better than Cars, but not quite as good as Ratatouille; but it has more heart that Ratatouille does and a different emotional tone. I'm watching it with the commentary now and the commentary is great as well. The BRD looks incredible with the video being absolutely perfect. Danny Elfman's score is also perfect.

If you don't want to blind buy it; at least Netflix it and give it a chance.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Actually AppleTV is more like OnDemand than DIVX. DIVX were physical discs you would purchase and they would stop working. AppleTV just works like a cable OnDemand service; without needing to pay a cable subscription on top of rental fees. PennyArcade fails again.

They still actually do those, at least something like it.
I have seen machines pop up in the grocery store where you pick a movie and it spits out a disk that expires.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Just finished watching it. I saw it twice in theaters (in 3D) and it just keeps getting better each time I watch it. It's way better than Cars, but not quite as good as Ratatouille; but it has more heart that Ratatouille does and a different emotional tone. I'm watching it with the commentary now and the commentary is great as well. The BRD looks incredible with the video being absolutely perfect. Danny Elfman's score is also perfect.

If you don't want to blind buy it; at least Netflix it and give it a chance.

Yeah, I mentioned earlier that it's actually a good movie. The part with the frog and dinosaur is probably my favorite. :lol

They still actually do those, at least something like it.
I have seen machines pop up in the grocery store where you pick a movie and it spits out a disk that expires.

it doesn't actually expire though. You just have to pay more when you finally bring it back in as it's $1 a day you have it, not $1 a day and then poof!

 

[Gary Whitta]

I have to admit I've been looking much more closely at AppleTV since this new update. Connecting to iTunes directly from the device, movie rentals and HD are all pretty compelling. Anyone else found their interest revised?

 

[ManaByte]

They still actually do those, at least something like it.
I have seen machines pop up in the grocery store where you pick a movie and it spits out a disk that expires.

No, those are the self distructing discs, which is different than DIVX. Those discs just have a thin coating on them that decays as soon as you break the seal and then become unreadable.

DIVX was different in that it is actually pretty similar to some of the DRM being used on HD-DVD and BRD discs. In truth, it is very (scarily) similar to BD+, which is kind of funny that Bill Hunt is humping Blu-Ray so heavily when he was so against DIVX.

 

[mollipen]

Actually AppleTV is more like OnDemand than DIVX. DIVX were physical discs you would purchase and they would stop working. AppleTV just works like a cable OnDemand service; without needing to pay a cable subscription on top of rental fees. PennyArcade fails again.

DIVX was directly trying to compete with purchasable DVDs, and was legitimately harming it (with studios like Fox and Disney going DIVX exclusive until the format died). Apple TV or any kind of rentals are not being positions to try to replace Blu-ray or DVD (...yet), and instead are being presented as a different option for movie viewing.

So yeah, Penny Arcade really fails here.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

No, those are the self distructing discs, which is different than DIVX. Those discs just have a thin coating on them that decays as soon as you break the seal and then become unreadable.

I thought they never got those discs to work correctly?

 

[Flo_Evans]

Actually AppleTV is more like OnDemand than DIVX. DIVX were physical discs you would purchase and they would stop working. AppleTV just works like a cable OnDemand service; without needing to pay a cable subscription on top of rental fees. PennyArcade fails again.

hmm just like you have to pay for your ISP subscription for apple TV to work?

 

[VanMardigan]

They still actually do those, at least something like it.
I have seen machines pop up in the grocery store where you pick a movie and it spits out a disk that expires.

I still hate the expiration model, but if its like XBLM, then the 24hr limit applies only AFTER you've started viewing the film. Otherwise, you can store it for up to 14 days. I still think it sucks, but I just wanted to clarify that.

And yeah, Netflix kicks the living crud out of that model. Not having penalties for keeping rentals and viewing a movie as many times as you feel like is why Netflix drew such a big audience in the first place.

I have to admit I've been looking much more closely at AppleTV since this new update. Connecting to iTunes directly from the device, movie rentals and HD are all pretty compelling. Anyone else found their interest revised?

Just wait until Sony starts offering movie downloads or get an Xbox 360 now. AppleTV is a waste of time imo.

 

[dabig2]

I think this one is probably more suited nowadays (courtesy of IGN boards)

 

[ManaByte]

hmm just like you have to pay for your ISP subscription for apple TV to work?

More and more people are seeing an ISP subscription more of a neccesary untility than something that isn't needed. Hell, look at Vonage. I know a lot of people on Vonage (my parents for one). A net connection is really becoming the backbone of homes now where eventually everything from your phone to TV will just run off your high speed connection. Vonage has started with the phones, AppleTV is just another step.

I don't get why ANYONE in this thread would be threatened by AppleTV. The only people who have anything to worry about are Netflix/Blockbuster employees and people who work for cable companies. AppleTV won't do anything to HD-DVD/BRD, but it stands the chance of killing off Netflix and Blockbuster and seriously hurting cable companies' OnDemand services.

 

[Mifune]

No, those are the self distructing discs, which is different than DIVX. Those discs just have a thin coating on them that decays as soon as you break the seal and then become unreadable.

DIVX was different in that it is actually pretty similar to some of the DRM being used on HD-DVD and BRD discs. In truth, it is very (scarily) similar to BD+, which is kind of funny that Bill Hunt is humping Blu-Ray so heavily when he was so against DIVX.

That is a bizarre comparison to say the least. He probably hated DIVX because it was fucking stupid from the beginning and was threatening the long-term viability of DVD. I don't think the DRM that is so scarily similar as you cite even plays into his opinion.

Why the seething hatred for Bill Hunt?

 

[terrene]

I know what PPV is, what I am saying is that most cable companies have on demand movies now and NOT ppv movies.
I know that mine does, I know comcast does, and I know fios does.
We stopped doing ppv movies long ago.
Now the customer picks what they want, when they want.
You originally said that what the cable companies have is not on demand.

No, I said PPV != on demand. In fact, that is the sum total of the text in my post that you replied to. It was a comparing of the two technologies of PPV and On Demand, not "what the cable companies have" vs. On Demand.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Just wait until Sony starts offering movie downloads or get an Xbox 360 now. AppleTV is a waste of time imo.

I have a 360 but it always seems like they have a shitty selection.

 

[mr stroke]

I have to admit I've been looking much more closely at AppleTV since this new update. Connecting to iTunes directly from the device, movie rentals and HD are all pretty compelling. Anyone else found their interest revised?

at 5$ a rental they can go to hell, BUT if they start a subscription service(20-25$ a month unlimited) with a massive libary, then I am in day 1

 

[Raist]

Already posted ?

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117979070.html?categoryid=20&cs=1

ROME -- Italy's 2007 sell-through homevid market was worth $600 million, up 2.1% from 2006.
"Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End," "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix," and "Shrek 3" were last year's top three Italo homevid sellers.

The albeit modest Italian homevid uptick follows two consecutive years of homevid indicators pointing downward and mirrors a positive trend at the Italo theatrical box office, which saw grosses up 13% in 2007 to $900 million with "Shrek 3" the top theatrical title.

As for the format war, Blu-ray is winning with 84.6% of the high-def market against 15.4% for HD DVD in Italy. But these high-def technologies only account for about 1% of the local market, according to the report by GfK Marketing Services Italia. The report does not include revenues from rentals and newsstand sales.

 

[Gary Whitta]

at 5$ a rental they can go to hell, BUT if they start a subscription service(20-25$ a month unlimited) with a massive libary, then I am in day 1

If Apple was interested in a subscription model they would have added it the music portion of iTunes long ago.

 

[ManaByte]

That is a bizarre comparison to say the least. He probably hated DIVX because it was fucking stupid from the beginning and was threatening the long-term viability of DVD. I don't think the DRM that is so scarily similar as you cite even plays into his opinion.

The DRM on BOTH HD disc formats is DIVX: The Next Generation, cleverly disguised under flashy marketing and consumer viral sites such as hollywoodinhighdef.com. You make something flashy and futuristic enough looking people will eat it up. But behind it is DRM that is basically a super advanced and potentially worse version of DIVX.

Ok so you have all HD-DVD and all future BRD players connected to the Internet with copy protection keys that can be killed a the flip of a button. Never happen? Let me give you an example that has the scary potential of actually happening.

First, some background. Back in the VHS days, Disney would put their classic animated films on moratorium for a decade. Why? Because VHS tapes would degrade and eventually need to be replaced. So when they released Peter Pan, kids would watch it over and over and the tape would wear out and parents would need to buy a new one thus every re-release made Disney a shit load of money.

With the advent of DVDs, the disc would never decay as badly as VHS and people once they had a copy of the movie would very likely never need to rebuy it. This is why Disney exclusively supported DIVX.

With the HD DRM, they have a new DIVX they can use if they wish.

Example. Sleeping Beauty Platinum Edition is coming out on BRD this year. Now in a few years Disney decides to re-release it, but instead of putting new features on the disc to entice double-dips they can just kill the keys of the original release; forcing people to buy the new version. They have their old VHS home video model of money in the bank back, only in HD this time.

 

[VanMardigan]

I have a 360 but it always seems like they have a shitty selection.

It's gotten better, imo. The Disney movies is cool, there's some decent catalog stuff if you don't mind SD, which is 480p and upscaled if you're using HDMI/VGA. I don't know if AppleTV upscales their stuff. But yeah, it's not the best selection right now.

They're expanding, too:

MGM will be bringing its legendary movie library to the service, with classic films ranging from the Rocky series to Dances with Wolves. Action-thrillers such as Terminator, Silence of the Lambs, and The Amityville Horror, comedies and broad-appeal titles such as Legally Blonde, Barbershop, and Agent Cody Banks, and award-winning films such as Platoon, Rain Man, and The Usual Suspects highlight the diverse launch lineup. United Artists, an MGM sister company, will be making films available as well. Many titles offered by MGM will be available in high definition.

 

[Flo_Evans]

More and more people are seeing an ISP subscription more of a neccesary untility than something that isn't needed. Hell, look at Vonage. I know a lot of people on Vonage (my parents for one). A net connection is really becoming the backbone of homes now where eventually everything from your phone to TV will just run off your high speed connection. Vonage has started with the phones, AppleTV is just another step.

I don't get why ANYONE in this thread would be threatened by AppleTV. The only people who have anything to worry about are Netflix/Blockbuster employees and people who work for cable companies. AppleTV won't do anything to HD-DVD/BRD, but it stands the chance of killing off Netflix and Blockbuster and seriously hurting cable companies' OnDemand services.

I agree, its not a threat to disc based content. I don't see a good reason though to switch to apple TV over my current cable ondemand/DVR box though. I can stream HD on demand right from my couch already apple! They might be able to beat the cable box for catalog content, that stuff is heavily rotated but there is no guarantee it will be available on the cable box. But then they still have the problem of local channels.

You may be right that the ISP subscription someday will overtake cable/phone subscriptions (has it already?) I just don't think that time is now and that blockbuster/netflix has that much to worry about.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Example. Sleeping Beauty Platinum Edition is coming out on BRD this year. Now in a few years Disney decides to re-release it, but instead of putting new features on the disc to entice double-dips they can just kill the keys of the original release; forcing people to buy the new version. They have their old VHS home video model of money in the bank back, only in HD this time.

Okay this terrifies me but it also has the whiff of the tin-foil hat brigade about it. Does anyone seriously think they would be this evil? Or this stupid, given the outrageous public/media hatred it would no doubt inspire?

 

[OokieSpookie]

Okay this terrifies me but it also has the whiff of the tin-foil hat brigade about it. Does anyone seriously think they would be this evil? Or this stupid, given the outrageous public/media hatred it would no doubt inspire?

Would never happen, and is just complete fud. ( Not that mana intends it that way )
It is the same crap as back in the day with the "zomg mmx processors track you!!" and various other tinfoil hat garbage.

 

[Insane Metal]

OMFG :lol :lol :lol

That´s a massacre! :lol

 

[MaX_PL]

wooooooo got 255 for my hd dvd add on and movies.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Example. Sleeping Beauty Platinum Edition is coming out on BRD this year. Now in a few years Disney decides to re-release it, but instead of putting new features on the disc to entice double-dips they can just kill the keys of the original release; forcing people to buy the new version. They have their old VHS home video model of money in the bank back, only in HD this time.

They also have a major class-action lawsuit on their hands and tons of lawyers going at them with the almost 100% sure guaranteed huge punitive damage just waiting to be imposed on their sorry Mickey Mouse-like butts .