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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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DarkJediKnight

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This one is for us Trance lovers.
 
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avaya

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maharg said:
The only direct comparison numbers I can find are from 3 or so years ago, and they're about that. But CD sales have been falling hard in the last couple of years, and online legal downloads have been growing moderately. Which basically creates an overall decline in music sales.

It'd take a fair amount of effort to piece together the real numbers and get a good comparison. You'd expect there to be numbers out there just for 2007 by now though.
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There are numbers at the RIAA website and also independent research

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/music market sales data 2006.pdf

They are still ~11% in the world market and a lot of that figure includes stuff like ringtunes for mobile phones. Look at the Japanese breakdown of digital market, on the 2nd page. Ringtunes and mobile related gimmickery add up to at least half of the digital market there.
 
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thaivo

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Picked up Bourne Identity over the weekend for $10 shipped. Now my Bourne Trilogy is complete! :D The special features on some of these Bourne HD DVD's seem a little redundant at times, but they are pretty nice overall. Universal did an amazing job with these discs.

The only other trilogy that I think is equal in quality is the LOTR (drool), and unfortunately it doesn't look like I'll have it on HD until BD/Combo players reach reasonable prices (2010?).
 
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maharg

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avaya said:
There are numbers at the RIAA website and also independent research

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/music market sales data 2006.pdf

They are still ~11% in the world market and a lot of that figure includes stuff like ringtunes for mobile phones. Look at the Japanese breakdown of digital market, on the 2nd page. Ringtunes and mobile related gimmickery add up to at least half of the digital market there.
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World numbers are a little pointless. We're really talking about America here, where it can be expected the initial penetration will take place.
 
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avaya

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maharg said:
World numbers are a little pointless. We're really talking about America here, where it can be expected the initial penetration will take place.
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Not really. For music or movies sales from the world market are equally as important. With the falling dollar this will become even more critical for content providers repatriating profits.

Any new standard will require a system that works well across all major Western markets. You can't exclude the world market. In terms of DD infrasturcture the US isn't even ahead of the UK and we are pretty much in the stone-age over here.
 
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acabado

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For those who lives in U.S. ,the Warner announcement has beens brodcasted to the mainstream? Cause this numbers shows really huge gap in a small time period.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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acabado said:
For those who lives in U.S. ,the Warner announcement has beens brodcasted to the mainstream? Cause this numbers shows really huge gap in a small time period.
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It was all over the tech news, so yeah.

People around here seem to have more knowledge of the HD stuff than before. I think they couldn't be bothered when there were competing standards, but people seem to know the name "Blu-ray" now.
 
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bill0527

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acabado said:
For those who lives in U.S. ,the Warner announcement has beens brodcasted to the mainstream? Cause this numbers shows really huge gap in a small time period.
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Yes everywhere. Every major media outlet has covered it. I've personally read articles in the Wall Street Journal, NY Times, USA Today, and even my local newspaper.
 
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theBishop

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SteveMeister said:
Is there any publicly available data that says that nobody's availing themselves of on-demand programming?
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Good question. I would think if it was a big cash cow for Comcast, they'd be out talking a kinds of shit on Apple and Microsoft since they are the biggest competitors. Comcast seems to be laying in the cut as far as the competition goes.
 
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OokieSpookie

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theBishop said:
Good question. I would think if it was a big cash cow for Comcast, they'd be out talking a kinds of shit on Apple and Microsoft since they are the biggest competitors. Comcast seems to be laying in the cut as far as the competition goes.
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I can tell you that here in tampa bay (Brighthouse Networks) the main percentage of on demand buys are wrestling/UFC/boxing events and porn.
If I look at 50 accounts a day, maybe one will have a ppv movie in the billing list and even that is being generous.
 
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OokieSpookie said:
I can tell you that here in tampa bay (Brighthouse Networks) the main percentage of on demand buys are wrestling/UFC/boxing events and porn.
If I look at 50 accounts a day, maybe one will have a ppv movie in the billing list and even that is being generous.
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Oh wow!! Now that's saying something. Bu.bu.bu.bu.b...digital downloads!! lol!
 
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theBishop

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OokieSpookie said:
I can tell you that here in tampa bay (Brighthouse Networks) the main percentage of on demand buys are wrestling/UFC/boxing events and porn.
If I look at 50 accounts a day, maybe one will have a ppv movie in the billing list and even that is being generous.
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That's what my guess would be, maybe a little better.

But why? Tons of people have a box plugged into their TV, connected to a high speed network capable of streaming HD content and billing you. Comcast already has the pieces in place to dominate digital film distribution. It seems to me that Apple's initiative is more about some trendy view of "the future" than anything.
 
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Emiru

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Lmao, both formats will fail, digital downloads will reign supreme because of xblm itunes movie rentals, and all the other services.
 
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theBishop said:
That's what my guess would be, maybe a little better.

But why? Tons of people have a box plugged into their TV, connected to a high speed network capable of streaming HD content and billing you. Comcast already has the pieces in place to dominate digital film distribution. It seems to me that Apple's initiative is more about some trendy view of "the future" than anything.
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You make a good point. Can the DD people here explain why this is the case?
 
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Katana_Strikes

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Look just how bad those HD DVD versions performed compared to BRD:
(thanks to WriteSimply and Grubert @ Blu-ray.com)

HD DVD titles (taking Yuma as 100)

The Kingdom 10.34
Bourne Ultimatum 9.57
Zodiac 9.03
Blade Runner 6.33
Blood Diamond 6.30
300 2.50
Goodfellas 4.88
HP Goblet of Fire 1.13
HP Prisoner of Azkaban 0.86

Therefor;

300 - 28.05 copies for BD = 2.5 copies for HD DVD are sold (~12 to 1)
Blood Diamond - 23.36 copies for BD = 6.3 copies for HD DVD are sold (~4.5 to 1)
Goodfellas - 21.06 copies for BD = 4.88 copies for HD DVD are sold (~5 to 1)
HP & Goblet - 22.3 copies for BD = 1.13 copies for HD DVD are sold (~20.5 to 1)
HP & Prisoner - 20.84 copies for BD = 0.86 copies for HD DVD are sold (~25 to 1)

etc.

Ouch!
 
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mckmas8808

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Katana_Strikes said:
Look just how bad those HD DVD versions performed compared to BRD:
(thanks to WriteSimply and Grubert @ Blu-ray.com)

HD DVD titles (taking Yuma as 100)

The Kingdom 10.34
Bourne Ultimatum 9.57
Zodiac 9.03
Blade Runner 6.33
Blood Diamond 6.30
300 2.50
Goodfellas 4.88
HP Goblet of Fire 1.13
HP Prisoner of Azkaban 0.86

Therefor;

300 - 28.05 copies for BD = 2.5 copies for HD DVD are sold (~12 to 1)
Blood Diamond - 23.36 copies for BD = 6.3 copies for HD DVD are sold (~4.5 to 1)
Goodfellas - 21.06 copies for BD = 4.88 copies for HD DVD are sold (~5 to 1)
HP & Goblet - 22.3 copies for BD = 1.13 copies for HD DVD are sold (~20.5 to 1)
HP & Prisoner - 20.84 copies for BD = 0.86 copies for HD DVD are sold (~25 to 1)

etc.

Ouch!
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So Warner will really see the true difference between the two now. 20 to 1 with Harry Potter is horrible!
 
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dallow_bg

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acabado said:
For those who lives in U.S. ,the Warner announcement has beens brodcasted to the mainstream? Cause this numbers shows really huge gap in a small time period.
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My mom came up to me and told me about it.


Yeah.
It hit the mainstream.
 
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distantmantra

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navanman said:
HD-DVD the people's choice that no people bought.
So how can it be the people's choice then?

Very very bitter. And what's the difference with HP? Is it cos its a combo disc?
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Isn't Order of the Phoenix the only one that's an HD-DVD combo disc?
 
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Oni Jazar

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mckmas8808 said:
You make a good point. Can the DD people here explain why this is the case?
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Forget Comcast On Demand, as a video rental service how is digital downloads any different from Pay Per View? A service that has been in effect since the 80s.
 
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Oni Jazar

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Gary Whitta said:
And still the bitter tears come:

http://gizmodo.com/346689/why-i-wish-hd-dvd-won-the-format-that-loved-me
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Oh the comments!

Heres the big picture most people are missing, HD-DVD has not lost yet, and most likely, will not lose. HD-DVD is the main format produced by the Chinese (it's actually CN-DVD), but it's compatible with HD-DVD players. Which means in about a year all HD-DVD players will be the same price as current players.
On a 2nd point, all computer based software giant and such want to use HD-DVD on their machines. With Microsoft on the HD-DVD platform, expect to see cheap computer based HD-DVD drives flooding the market (from China) within the next 6 months.
3rd, the adoption rate at this point is rather pointless since even Beta was the leading competitor back when VHS came into the scene. I give it 6 months and we won't be worrying about the crappy non-existent Blue-ray standards anymore
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:lol
 
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mckmas8808

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Oni Jazar said:
Forget Comcast On Demand, as a video rental service how is digital downloads any different from Pay Per View? A service that has been in effect since the 80s.
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Another good point. Maybe Stinkles can come in here and give us a good answer. I think the only company that can do DD HD movies right is Apple.
 
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