Ignatz Mouse
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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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VictimOfGrief
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Oh... Hi Snah. :lolSnah said:
Cold-Steel
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Christopher said:
Current Blu-ray players aren't even compatible with future titles.
It's okay cause near-HD quality is just as good as HD.
Digital downloads are the future.
Apple says Blu-ray is dead anyways cause Apple TV is coming out.
Retailers aren't dropping HD-DVD anytime soon.
Blu-ray still doesn't come close to DVD sales.
Toshiba is launching a new multimillion dollar campaign and is here to stay.
PlayStation 3 sales don't matter anyways.
BDA paid off Warner
(...somehow worse than Toshiba paying off Paramount even though Warner didn't get a dime from the BDA)
...did I miss any?
Christoff Yurievich
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endcaps were explained, but this is the "getting rid of them" thing:Snah said:
bune duggy said:FUCKING NPD.
I just came back from Best Buy and I was shocked to see that they have removed their HD-DVD demo unit. The tv isn't hooked up to anything so it's not like it's a change in endcaps, it's just gone.
OokieSpookie
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Loudninja said:
Hddigest right?
purnoman3000
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bune duggy said:FUCKING NPD.
I just came back from Best Buy and I was shocked to see that they have removed their HD-DVD demo unit. The tv isn't hooked up to anything so it's not like it's a change in endcaps, it's just gone.
Alot if not all of those endcaps are vendor funded so I believe it's more telling in Toshiba pulling promotional/advertisement funding for HD-DVD.
StoOgE said:
People are returning them on their own without any prompting. There are about a dozen open box HD-DVD players in my store right now.
The rumor says:
People are concerned there is something like 4-6 blu-ray facilites in the world making 3-4 million disks/month for America(I have heard less). This is for movies and games.
HD uses the same as dvd and there are 2000+ facilites. So I am quite curious because I have been looking for proof to back this up as people keep posting this everywhere. Can't find anything that says anything for sure.
purnoman3000 said:
So, the reassuring press release... the lower player price points... the latest volley of television ads... looks to me like Toshiba is promoting its players in one final push to clear inventory and be done with this.
The end begins? Or the beginning ends. Whatever, let's just get HDM on the fast-track to replacing eye-raping DVD.
Kolgar said:
That's my impression.
I personally could have done without the volley of TV ads though. I understand why they're doing it, but I think it will come back to haunt them. Now that they've dropped MSRP's, there will at least be some J6P's that will pony up for one.
They're going to be pretty pissed when Toshiba pulls the plug a few months after advertising that they effectively weren't.
Onix said:
Yeah, I find that disappointing too.
For the most part, I think Toshiba's been a class act in this war. Duping price-sensitive buyers at this point, however, just before the format fizzles out... that's pretty cold.
Maybe they're trying to exact some revenge on this demographic for not buying more HD DVD movies in Q4... :lol
OokieSpookie
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Kolgar said:
I can not agree about the class act thing.
In my opinion they were the first ones to resort to the backroom deals and money hatting with the Paramount thing, not to mention the whole "stand alones....no wait...we mean dedicated players".
Even now they are doing even worse my misleading consumers just so that they can save face and unload as many players as possible even going as far as moneyhatting Paramount and Universal to keep them from announcing blu support for a couple of months. (if rumor is to be believed ...I personally do not see two months passing before there is another jump to blu).
They could easily just quietly start repackaging the players as upscalers with hd ability and sell them at lower prices and then work on putting out a dual format drive if not a blu one.
Of if not even that just stay out of the press and just unload what they can quietly.
Making press releases saying "we are fine, we will win" is borderline unethical.
futnownarcade
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Did something happen to Sunshine? Its not available for sale anywhere near me but I see its in stock in Amazon. That movie was great.
purnoman3000
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Fuck yeah, getting Lost Season 3 BluRay for 24.99 due to a pricing error in a sale a month ago. It's finally being shipped and the price was definitely worth the wait.
Christopher
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Hi-def Discs Already Double Size of Download Market
http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/blog_detail.php?id=164
people call HD media niche but that download shit is even more obsucre.
http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/blog_detail.php?id=164
people call HD media niche but that download shit is even more obsucre.
Spinning Plates
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The posts on the newsgroups have all of the above though.
OokieSpookie
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We are not talking about pirated crap, keep that out of this thread.Spinning Plates said:The posts on the newsgroups have all of the above though.
VanMardigan
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Ryu1999 said:
Everyone who is expecting DD to take off is saying that it's still a few years off before becoming mainstream. At least the stuff I've read. I don't think anyone expects DD to be mainstream this year. I think there's a window for HD discs to flourish in before the big push for DD comes. I just hope they make the most of it and DD becomes unnecessary for at least a decade.
Worm_Buffet
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Do you guys really see physical media persevering? These latest numbers doesn't mean much in the long run. If Hi-Def discs is a nascent market, what does that make DD? It's not even a fetus yet.
Physical media will still have its place, but it will be marginalized and for people like the posters in this thread that anticipate the blu-ray release of Blade Runner. The vast majority will use whatever is accessible just using their remote.
Physical media will still have its place, but it will be marginalized and for people like the posters in this thread that anticipate the blu-ray release of Blade Runner. The vast majority will use whatever is accessible just using their remote.
Ignatz Mouse
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CDs are what, 9x the sales of online music stores?
And that's considering the market penetration of MP3 players, the fact that onlien stores have the advantage of allowing you to cherry-pick singles, and the fact that a complete song can be downloaded in a about a minute or two.
Someday, DD of music will surpass CD sales. And probably, someday, DD of movies will surpass disc sales. But those curves are longer than people here seem to realize.
And that's considering the market penetration of MP3 players, the fact that onlien stores have the advantage of allowing you to cherry-pick singles, and the fact that a complete song can be downloaded in a about a minute or two.
Someday, DD of music will surpass CD sales. And probably, someday, DD of movies will surpass disc sales. But those curves are longer than people here seem to realize.
SteveMeister
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theBishop said:
Is there any publicly available data that says that nobody's availing themselves of on-demand programming?
Not sure if anyone's interested, but I've got to get rid of some things because I'm making a big cross-country move in a tiny, tiny automobile and I'm running out of room for stuff so I'm going to clear out my Harry Potter Blu-rays (I know it doesn't sound like much of a space-saver, but I'm shaving off things wherever I can). I have all five individual releases, and they're in perfect condition, only watched once, so if anyone needs them for their collection, I will cut you some sort of deal. (If anyone needs references to my quality of character, ask Error, as I've sold him games in the past.)
Also, if this is a GAF faux pas, I totally apologize. Just wanted to give you guys first shot at the films in case someone was looking for them.
Also, if this is a GAF faux pas, I totally apologize. Just wanted to give you guys first shot at the films in case someone was looking for them.
Christopher
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No doubt that I see digital downloads growing in size and popularity, but not a threat to Blu Ray or physical media mediums as stated in this thread for a long, long long time.
LunaticPuma
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The biggest hindrance to DD is bandwidth and households connected to the internet.
What percent of the US is online with a broadband connection? What about the rest of the world? Obviously it's growing, but there will be a large segment of the population that can only get media through discs for a while.
Also, home theater as a hobby is on the rise especially among those with money who would also be high consumers of DD. They will want the best quality to show off their expensive TV and surround sound. As long as physical media is signficantly better quality than DD, physical media will be around.
What percent of the US is online with a broadband connection? What about the rest of the world? Obviously it's growing, but there will be a large segment of the population that can only get media through discs for a while.
Also, home theater as a hobby is on the rise especially among those with money who would also be high consumers of DD. They will want the best quality to show off their expensive TV and surround sound. As long as physical media is signficantly better quality than DD, physical media will be around.
GauntletFan
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bune duggy said:
The one at my Best Buy was still up and running this morning
VictimOfGrief
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yes.racerx77 said:You mean COULDN'T care less right?
OokieSpookie said:
Those are some good points.
I'd like to also add that you could take it one step further, and go all the way back to the fact there even was a format war.
Toshiba was always behind in terms of support, and was expected to lose because of it. Yet, they still decided to force the issue and create a format war. Even worse, they leveraged their power in the DVD Forum (which should really have NOTHING to do with HDM) in an attempt to put forward their close-to-proprietary format.
Those are less-than-classy moves IMO.
Ignatz Mouse said:
The only direct comparison numbers I can find are from 3 or so years ago, and they're about that. But CD sales have been falling hard in the last couple of years, and online legal downloads have been growing moderately. Which basically creates an overall decline in music sales.
It'd take a fair amount of effort to piece together the real numbers and get a good comparison. You'd expect there to be numbers out there just for 2007 by now though.
Ignatz Mouse
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maharg said:
Even if those numbers are a couple of years out of date, look at the lenght of time it will be before CDs aren't made anymore. Somewhere betwen 10 years from now and never.
Ignatz Mouse
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And by the way.....
30,000th post.
Like HD-DVD itself, I think this thread is slowly dying off. But so far, it's been both a lot of fun and annoying as hell at times.
Here's to a near future where most of the stuff we discussed in this thread isn't even talked about, becuase it's all taken for granted-- HD media pervasive.
30,000th post.
Like HD-DVD itself, I think this thread is slowly dying off. But so far, it's been both a lot of fun and annoying as hell at times.
Here's to a near future where most of the stuff we discussed in this thread isn't even talked about, becuase it's all taken for granted-- HD media pervasive.
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