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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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The Main Event said:
Not too surprised by the Australian figures since most major retailers aren't stocking HD DVD.

I thought that was just one retailer. I always dismissed that tidbit as a pro-Blu side equivilent of pro-HD-DVD's "no porn on BluRay"-- that is, some small sliver of truth, distorted and the importance exaggerated. Given those numbers, certainly the latter.
 
Onix said:
Really? I haven't studied it intently ... I thought it was using a wider sample ... sorry.


Okay, scratch that one off then. You get my point though.

Yeah, I get the point. I definitely think that the possibility is there, I just don't think we should assume it would happen.

I read all the official white papers explaining HDCD a couple of years ago. The whole thing is kind of a joke, but the original redbook CD format was just far too rigid for any other type of enhancement.

Another example like the DTS formats is how digital audio was added to laserdisc years after the format was released.
 

djkimothy

Member
I don't know what took so long...

66/34
67/33
59/41


1. Appocolypto 100
2. POTC: DMC 98.55
3. POTC: CBP 84.33
4. Planet Earth HD DVD 82.27
5. Norbit BD 77.78
6. Blood Diamond 74.95
7. Planet Earth BD 62.17
8. The Messengers 51.05
9. Casino Royale 44.44
10. Letters from Iwo Jima BD 38.65

Although only 1 HDDVD title in the top 10, check out the sales ratio for planet earth! o_O Either a huge sales surge for Planet Earth, or sales have dropped off for Pirates.

Blu-ray

1. Appocolypto 100
2. POTC: DMC 98.55
3. POTC: CBP 84.33
4. Norbit BD 77.78
5. Blood Diamond 74.95

HD DVD

1. Planet Earth 100
2. Norbit 46.41
3. Ultimate Matrix 33.46
4. Letters from Iwo Jima 31.67
5. Complete Matrix 29.30

The Departed 100,500 (Warner)
Superman Returns 84,150 (Warner)
Casino Royale 83,600 (Sony)
Batman Begins 53,500 (Warner)
MI:3 51,400 (Paramount)
Planet Earth 44,700 (Warner)
Happy Feet 40,100 (Warner)
Goodfellas 38,200 (Warner)
The Prestige 34,700 (Disney)
The Fifth Element 33,800 (Sony)
The Last Samurai 32,500 (Warner)
X-Men: The Last Stand 32,000 (Fox)
Underworld: Evolution 31,400 (Sony)
Ice Age: Meltdown 28,300 (Fox)
Night at the Museum 28,100 (Fox)
Black Hawk Down 27,900 (Sony)
Talladega Nights 27,700 (Sony)
Babel 27,000 (Paramount)
Serenity 26,200 (Universal)
Troy 26,100 (Warner)
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
So the weeklyl was 66/34?

That's an improvement over last week, no? And I expect next week will be better in terms of HD DVD releases.

It means Blu Ray owns 2/3 of the HD disc market software sales.
 
VanMardigan said:
So the weeklyl was 66/34?

That's an improvement over last week, no? And I expect next week will be better in terms of HD DVD releases.

It means Blu Ray owns 2/3 of the HD disc market software sales.

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Yes. Looks like Blu-ray has sold 2/3 of all HD titles since inception. No surprise that BDA will probably make an announcement to gloat this fact.

As far as next week, apparently, Ghost Rider sold VERY WELL on Blu-ray. So I'd expect another 60/40 at least.
 
Looking at those numbers.... if Sony Pictures weren't tied to Sony overall and therefore Blu-Ray exclusive, Casino Royale would have dominated. It's the only single-format title is that range on the list.
 

djkimothy

Member
methane47 said:
What does this mean?

Sorry,

Week Ended 6/10
66-34 Blu ray

Year to date
67-33 Blu Ray

SI
59-41 Blu Ray

Compare to last week.

Week ending June 3, 2007
Week: 61/39 BD/HD
Year: 67/33 BD/HD
SI: 59/41 BD/HD
 
jjasper said:
So BD had a slight increase that week which I would guess would be mainly tied to the exculsive release of Blood Diamond.

Except that Norbit (BD) sold better than Blood Diamond...

What a sad state of the world. I'd like to personally meet each person who bought Norbit.


And then shoot them.
 
VanMardigan said:
Knowing how that chart works, that's less thank 10k persons. You can do it.

I'd also like to do the same with every single person who bought it on DVD.

Hell, let's not limit it to those who bought it, we should aim our sights on those who rented it too.
 
Total HD Sales number per units sold

HD DVD since inception through May 27, 2007
01. Batman Begins - 53,500
02. Superman Returns - 39,300
03. The Departed - 37,800
04. Serenity - 26,200
05. Goodfellas - 26,100
06. Troy - 26,100
07. Mission Impossible III - 25,800
08. Planet Earth - 25,400
09. The Last Samurai - 22,400
10. Apollo 13 - 19,900
11. The Bourne Supreme - 19,300
12. V for Vendetta - 19,100
13. Smokin Aces - 17,200
14. Miami Vice - 16,600
15. The Polar Express - 16,500
16. Training Day - 15,200
17. Children of Men - 14,900
18. The Phantom of the Opera - 14,700
19. Happy Feet - 14,600
20. King Kong - 14,300
xx. Babel - 12,600
xx. The Good Shepherd - 10,800
xx. Lucky Number Slevin - 9,200
xx. The Ultimate Matrix Collection - 7,900
xx. The Mummy Returns - 7,300

Blu-ray Disc since inception through May 27, 2007
01. Casino Royale - 83,600
02. The Departed - 62,700
03. Superman Returns - 44,800
04. The Prestige - 34,700
05. The Fifth Element - 33,800
06. X-Men: The Last Stand - 32,000
07. Underworld: Evolution - 31,400
08. Ice Age: The Meltdown - 28,300
09. Night at the Museum - 28,100
10. Black Hawk Down - 27,900
11. Talladega Nights - 27,700
12. Happy Feet - 25,500
12. Mission Impossible III - 25,500
14. Crank - 24,800
15. Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man - 23,700
16. Deja Vu - 22,700
17. Terminator 2 - 21,600
18. Pirates of the Carribean: Curse - 21,100
19. Saw III - 20,400
20. House of Flying Daggers - 20,000
yy. Planet Earth - 19,300
yy. Rocky Balboa - 18,600
yy. Eragon - 17,800
yy. The Pursuit of Happyness - 17,800
yy. Apocalypto - 17,300
 
distantmantra said:
Where are those from? I'm curious how many copies Volver has sold, as it's the only true "foreign art film" released in HD at this point.

AVS sales thread.

Both formats since interception through May 27, 2007
01. Casino Royale - BD - 83,600
02. The Departed - BD - 62,700
03. Batman Begins - HD DVD - 53,500
04. Superman Returns - BD - 44,800
05. Superman Returns - HD DVD - 39,300
06. The Departed - HD DVD - 37,800
07. The Prestige - BD - 34,700
08. The Fifth Element - BD - 33,800
09. X-Men: The Last Stand - BD - 32,000
10. Underworld: Evolution - BD - 31,400
11. Ice Age: The Meltdown - BD - 28,300
12. Night at the Museum - BD - 28,100
13. Black Hawk Down - BD - 27,900
14. Talladega Nights - BD - 27,700
15. Serenity - HD DVD - 26,200
16. Goodfellas - HD DVD - 26,100
17. Troy - HD DVD - 26,100
18. Mission Impossible III - HD DVD - 25,800
19. Happy Feet - BD - 25,500
20. Mission Impossible III - BD - 25,500
21. Planet Earth - HD DVD - 25,400
22. Crank - BD - 24,800
23. Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man - BD - 23,700
24. Deja Vu - BD - 22,700
25. The Last Samurai - HD DVD - 22,400
26. Terminator 2 - BD - 21,600
27. Pirates of the Carribean: Curse - BD - 21,100
28. Saw III - BD - 20,400
29. House of Flying Daggers - BD - 20,000
30. Apollo 13 - HD DVD - 19,900
31. The Bourne Supreme - HD DVD - 19,300
yy. Planet Earth - BD - 19,300
xx. V for Vendetta - HD DVD - 19,100
yy. Rocky Balboa - BD - 18,600
yy. Eragon - BD - 17,800
yy. The Pursuit of Happyness - BD - 17,800
yy. Apocalypto - BD - 17,300
xx. Smokin Aces - HD DVD - 17,200
xx. Miami Vice - HD DVD - 16,600
xx. The Polar Express - HD DVD - 16,500
xx. Training Day - HD DVD - 15,200
xx. Children of Men - HD DVD - 14,900
xx. The Phantom of the Opera - HD DVD - 14,700
xx. Happy Feet - HD DVD - 14,600
xx. King Kong - HD DVD - 14,300
xx. Babel - HD DVD - 12,600
xx. The Good Shepherd - HD DVD - 10,800
xx. Lucky Number Slevin - HD DVD - 9,200
xx. The Ultimate Matrix Collection - HD DVD - 7,900
xx. The Mummy Returns - HD DVD - 7,300
 
Weird that Googfellas Blu-Ray didn't even make the list.

One of my favorite HD discs-- not so much for "reference quality" but because it's one of the best movies that's been released in any HD format so far.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Ignatz Mouse said:
Weird that Googfellas Blu-Ray didn't even make the list.

One of my favorite HD discs-- not so much for "reference quality" but because it's one of the best movies that's been released in any HD format so far.
Yea but come on, how long has that been on DVD, hell its probably on VHS and or Laserdisk too.

Looking at the chart, save a few exceptions all the best sellers are new releases day and date with dvd.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Weird that Googfellas Blu-Ray didn't even make the list.

One of my favorite HD discs-- not so much for "reference quality" but because it's one of the best movies that's been released in any HD format so far.

If there's one thing that's clear, people aren't going to replace their DVD collection with Blu-rays and HD DVDs. Only new releases and blockbusters sell well. This is why studio support is so important because it insures the maximum new release titles.
 
Thought this might address one of the common knocks against the HD formats we hear often. It seems the whole spectrum of the industry think that physical media will continue to rule for at least 10 years.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6452274.html?nid=2705

Panelists: Downloads 10 to 20 years from mainstream

DIGITAL HOLLYWOOD: Lack of content, technology among hurdles
By Jennifer Netherby -- Video Business, 6/14/2007

JUNE 14 | SANTA MONICA, Calif.—Executives from leading movie download companies said their business is 10 years or more away from becoming a mainstream consumer offering, with an unlimited range of movies that can be viewed easily on the TV.

Speaking at a Digital Hollywood panel Wednesday, executives from Amazon.com Unbox, CinemaNow, BitTorrent and other companies said that everything from lack of content, restrictive release windows, interoperability problems and technological hurdles are holding the business back from taking off in the immediate future.

Amazon director of digital media Roy Price was the most optimistic, predicting that it will be eight to 10 years before movies are widely available by download and easy to view. But he thinks mainstream consumers will start downloading in the next two to four years.

Execs from Movielink and CinemaNow, both doing downloads for the longest time, predicted the business is 10 to 20 years from really taking off. CinemaNow CEO Curt Marvis was the most cautious in his estimate, predicting it could be 20 years. However, he said he thinks when it does, it will be bigger than the home video industry and all other channels.

Execs from BitTorrent, Hewlett-Packard and Akimbo put takeoff around 10 years or less.

Amazon’s Price said the biggest hurdle is consumer homes, which don’t have the infrastructure to easily download movies and transfer them to TVs and other devices.

Interoperability wanted

Allowing users to play digital downloads on a number of devices from different manufacturers also is important. Currently, iPods play downloads only from iTunes, while downloads with Windows Media DRM offered on Amazon, CinemaNow, Movielink and other services only play on portable devices that support Windows DRM.

“If all devices played well together, that would be the ideal world for us,” Amazon’s Price said.

Consumers also are limited in where they watch those downloads; right now, they’re mostly chained to the PC. Movielink chief marketing officer Mary Coller Albert said consumers want more control and convenience in when and where they watch movies and TV shows.

Execs said they believed Apple would begin offering download rentals, though they don’t think studios will agree to the low price at which Apple reportedly plans to offer the rentals. Earlier in the week, a couple newspapers quoted sources saying that Apple is in negotiations with studios to begin offering rentals this fall priced at $2.99 each, nearly half the price of most other rental downloads.

CinemaNow’s Marvis said rental has been an important business to be in. After the online retailer began selling download-to-own copies of movies last year, it moved away from pushing rental but soon switched back. Marvis told VB earlier in the week that CinemaNow sells four times as many rentals as permanent downloads on its site, though revenue is about equal.

Content is key

A lack of content is another issue that download services face. Execs said consumers have come to think they should be able to find anything they want on the Internet and don’t understand when movies aren’t available.

Niche content is doing well on the sites, though Albert said it’s the big new releases that first draw in consumers.

At Akimbo, which doesn’t sell new movies, niche content not available anywhere else tends to be the most sought out, co-founder and VP of marketing Jim Funk said.

Movielink has done well on older TV shows, such as I Spy and The Dick Van Dyke Show.

TV shows, in many cases available for download the day after broadcast, also have become a popular download, Price said.
 

amba

Member
Ignatz Mouse said:
I thought that was just one retailer. I always dismissed that tidbit as a pro-Blu side equivilent of pro-HD-DVD's "no porn on BluRay"-- that is, some small sliver of truth, distorted and the importance exaggerated. Given those numbers, certainly the latter.

One major retailer isn't stocking HD-DVD. Most of the rest of the major retailers aren't stocking either format (including the major variety stores), so the figures don't shock me.
 
Digital Bits rumored Universal releases for the rest of the year:

Also today, our sources have given us a rundown of the latest expected street dates for the rest of Universal's planned catalog and new release HD-DVD titles through the end of 2007. Here's what to look for...

8/7 - Hot Fuzz

8/14 - Erin Brockovich, Meet the Fockers, Mercury Rising, What Dreams May Come

8/28 - Dawn of the Dead (2004), Heroes: The Complete First Season, The Hurricane, Notting Hill

9/18 - Battlestar Galactica: The Complete First Season, Elizabeth, For the Love of the Game, The Last Starfighter, Legend

9/25 - Cat People, Evening, The Getaway, Knocked Up, Patch Adams

10/9 - Strangers, Seed of Chucky

10/23 - Inside Man, Carlito's Way, Carlito's Way: Rise to Power, White Noise

10/30 - Talk to Me

11/6 - Evan Almighty, About a Boy, Weird Science

11/13 - Pride and Prejudice

11/20 - I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry, Tremors, Family Man

12/11 - The Bourne Ultimatum, Mr. Bean's Holiday, The River Wild, Timecop

12/18 - Eastern Promises

12/26 - The Kingdom, Balls of Fury, American Pie: Unrated, Mobsters, Undercover Brother

As always, this information should be considered unofficial until the titles and dates are announced by the studios. Stay tuned...

Edit: Hot Fuzz seems to be wrong since it's been announced for July 31st...
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
The Main Event said:
Digital Bits rumored Universal releases for the rest of the year:



Edit: Hot Fuzz seems to be wrong since it's been announced for July 31st...
OMG bill hunt flip flops more than a fish on dry land. Hes totally hd dvd fanboi now.
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
I'm just shocked at how badly King Kong sold. That's one of the best looking discs on HD DVD. A real showcase. I assume the pack-ins that came with the add-on aren't being counted?
 

Mrbob

Member
sonycowboy said:
Thought this might address one of the common knocks against the HD formats we hear often. It seems the whole spectrum of the industry think that physical media will continue to rule for at least 10 years.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6452274.html?nid=2705

Well anyone who actually looks at the realities of broadband penetration, HD movie file size, and current hdd capacity in relation to affordability would have known this already. ;)
 

Mrbob

Member
By the way, the interesting thing is that the Blu Ray margins increased right in the middle of the Toshiba HD DVD blowout.

Lets be honest, look at the facts right now. Toshiba is so desperate they are giving HD DVD players away and are still losing ground.
 
VanMardigan said:
I'm just shocked at how badly King Kong sold. That's one of the best looking discs on HD DVD. A real showcase. I assume the pack-ins that came with the add-on aren't being counted?

maybe it did not sell well cause it was 3 hours of crap?
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Mrbob said:
Well anyone who actually looks at the realities of broadband penetration, HD movie file size, and current hdd capacity in relation to affordability would have known this already. ;)
Yea I always wrote those arguments off as just wishfull thinking.
I recently saw an article of some scientists in japan pushing 9gigs a second over some network they made.
The problem is, with our(the US) current infastructure its going to be a pain in the ass to upgrade. Unless some awesome engineer comes up with an awesome wifi that can just be deployed for everyone to hook up to faster speeds are a ways off.
I would freaking LOVE even 1gig a second download speeds at our current prices, but i honestly would not be surprised if 1 gig a second is barely a reality 5 years from now.
 

SRG01

Member
captive said:
Yea I always wrote those arguments off as just wishfull thinking.
I recently saw an article of some scientists in japan pushing 9gigs a second over some network they made.
The problem is, with our(the US) current infastructure its going to be a pain in the ass to upgrade. Unless some awesome engineer comes up with an awesome wifi that can just be deployed for everyone to hook up to faster speeds are a ways off.
I would freaking LOVE even 1gig a second download speeds at our current prices, but i honestly would not be surprised if 1 gig a second is barely a reality 5 years from now.

Back in the 90s, all the big telcom companies were pushing for all fiberoptic lines throughout North America. It never materialized, obviously.

Long story short: broadband internet will be limited as long as North America is still using "twisted copper pair".
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Onix said:
In reality, we can never go to a total download system ... unless studios are fine with GUARANTEEING a smaller audience then DVD.


yeah. Video is totally different to music. If it were as portable as music then perhaps downloads would be good. But HD requires discs due to size, otherwise you are limited to PC storage and perhaps buying several new streaming devices for your home to replace DVD players.

That isn't going to happen any time soon. Not for the mainstream at least. Broadband speeds don't even matter - the hoops you have to jump through just make it so much more complicated than sticking a disc in a tray.
 

Raistlin

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Mrbob said:
By the way, the interesting thing is that the Blu Ray margins increased right in the middle of the Toshiba HD DVD blowout.

Lets be honest, look at the facts right now. Toshiba is so desperate they are giving HD DVD players away and are still losing ground.

Yeah ... so far, this appears to be the case.


It will be interesting to see if BD HW sales increase now the the new cheaper Sony model is available. So far cost hasn't hugely helped HD DVD. Let's so how BD fairs in that regard.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
captive said:
Yea I always wrote those arguments off as just wishfull thinking.
I recently saw an article of some scientists in japan pushing 9gigs a second over some network they made.
The problem is, with our(the US) current infastructure its going to be a pain in the ass to upgrade. Unless some awesome engineer comes up with an awesome wifi that can just be deployed for everyone to hook up to faster speeds are a ways off.
I would freaking LOVE even 1gig a second download speeds at our current prices, but i honestly would not be surprised if 1 gig a second is barely a reality 5 years from now.

And another thing people arguing for downloads seem to forget is that this is the high-end.

At this point, there are many millions of DVD owners that don't have broadband at all ... and may not in a decade either. Crap, there are likely millions that don't even regularly use dial-up.


For studios to go download-only ... they would be accepting right off the bat that they will NEVER have the same sized userbase as DVD. I just don't see that happening.


In all likelihood, digital downloads will be complimentary to physical media ... not it's replacement.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
mrklaw said:
yeah. Video is totally different to music. If it were as portable as music then perhaps downloads would be good. But HD requires discs due to size, otherwise you are limited to PC storage and perhaps buying several new streaming devices for your home to replace DVD players.

That isn't going to happen any time soon. Not for the mainstream at least. Broadband speeds don't even matter - the hoops you have to jump through just make it so much more complicated than sticking a disc in a tray.

Another way it is different is in terms of consumption.


Many people use music as a background thing ... either it's running on their stereo while they are doing activities besides critical listening ... or it's going through headphones in a similar vain. Basically, it's a very passive experience where most people aren't all that concerned with reproduction quality.


Movies on the other hand ... they're a different beast. People are actually somewhat critically viewing them. With that in mind, quality does actually matter. As HDTV penetration continues to ramp up ... as does the size of TV's in peoples' homes ... this quality difference becomes more and more noticeable.

Downloadable movie sites are generally going to cater to the LCD as far as bitrate (due to bandwidth and size issues). Because of that, the quality is simply not going to compare to HD DVD or BD.

Since people aren't simply passively consuming video, they'll notice the lack of fidelity. So while it will have it's place, I simply can't see people completely giving up on better quality sources.

As you stated, video is totally different to music.
 
captive said:
Yea but come on, how long has that been on DVD, hell its probably on VHS and or Laserdisk too.

Looking at the chart, save a few exceptions all the best sellers are new releases day and date with dvd.


And yet Goodfellas HD-DVD sold quite well. Weird.
 

jjasper

Member
Ignatz Mouse said:
And yet Goodfellas HD-DVD sold quite well. Weird.

The HD DVD version came out on 5/2/2006 and was on of the first HD DVD titles released. The Blu Ray came out in Jan. of this year.
 

Mau ®

Member
I noticed in the Korea PS3 launch thread that there is a Marie Antoinette Blu-Ray. Is it out in NA yet?

I am hoping they also release Pride and Prejudice on Blu-Ray, however, thats from Universal :(
 
Read this on the HiDef and F13 Forums:

Originally Posted by JP View Post
Anchor Bay's DVD Department is about 10 feet down the hall from our Halloween cutting room...

Talking to the guys... it looks like AB's first wave of Hi-Def DVD will be in Blu Ray only. They're working on the original Halloween right now, along with a few others. (not sure if that's news or not)

All the more reason to hope for BD player price reductions.

Excellent!

Shame Universal has the rights to Part 2. Another one Id love to see in HD.
 
inthezone said:
I noticed in the Korea PS3 launch thread that there is a Marie Antoinette Blu-Ray. Is it out in NA yet?

Sony delayed it's release in North America.

edit: Just noticed they also got Rent, like Japan. Why isn't this out in NA?

edit edit: Anchor Bay going BD? Awesome! They distribute for Manga Entertainment... I wonder how much longer until the rumored Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Solid State Society BD is announced.
 
neojubei said:
Does anyone know when any of the Pixar movies, like finding nemo and the incredibles will be on Blu-ray?

Cars is coming in the Fall, and the only word we've heard about Finding Nemo and The Incredibles is that they're coming.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
WTF at the high sales of The Fifth Element. House of Flying Daggers made the top-20 for Bluray, too. Ewwwwww.
 

djkimothy

Member
TAJ said:
WTF at the high sales of The Fifth Element. House of Flying Daggers made the top-20 for Bluray, too. Ewwwwww.

Yo, the fifth element is a fun movie. It's just too bad for the transfer. Fortunately I held off and will get the proper release. :D
 
TAJ said:
WTF at the high sales of The Fifth Element. House of Flying Daggers made the top-20 for Bluray, too. Ewwwwww.

Look at that list of selections. There are like 3 movies worth owning for the prices they charge and then Planet Earth as well. People aren't being picky that own these formats at all.

1.) Batman Begins
2.) Planet Earth
3.) Pirates #1
4.) Casino Royal

That's about it for anyone that doesn't buy every release out. Who the heck didn't have Goodfellas on regular DVD before they bought it on the high definition formats? Not buying that one twice. Same could really be said for Pirates #1, but it's a great transfer and a huge blockbuster worth showing your setup off for.
 
HocusPocus said:
Look at that list of selections. There are like 3 movies worth owning for the prices they charge and then Planet Earth as well. People aren't being picky that own these formats at all.

1.) Batman Begins
2.) Planet Earth
3.) Pirates #1
4.) Casino Royal

That's about it for anyone that doesn't buy every release out. Who the heck didn't have Goodfellas on regular DVD before they bought it on the high definition formats? Not buying that one twice. Same could really be said for Pirates #1, but it's a great transfer and a huge blockbuster worth showing your setup off for.


Some movies I like well enought to buy twice, especially Goodfellas were the DVD release looks terrible, and requires a flip mid-movie.

That, and I think perhaps not everyone has the same taste in movie that you do.
 
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