Hillary Clinton announces 2008 Presidential Bid
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I'm black and no offence taken here. It's kinda sad actually.pewye said:
It's just too hard to imagine this family in the white house:
I guess its easier to swallow when you see a black president on a tv show or a movie, but in real life is just too hard to believe.
I'm all for obama(and not because hes black) over hillary, but I think hillary has a better chance. I met edwards back in high school, not a bad guy...I think I'd give him my vote over hillary.
2007-2008 is going to be interesting as hell.
Man of Knowledge
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WooHoo if hillary wins we have a real chance of having universal healthcare in the U.S by 2010. 
Some of you people new to primaries might want to read this that I posted elsewhere.
Front runners in Democratic primaries(Hillary Clinton) almost never win. It has happened only once to my memory in nearly 50 years.
2004:
Early in 2003 Edwards raised more cash than Kerry. Then came Dean mania and he raised more than Kerry and was the unstoppable front runner untill mere weeks before the primaries of Jan. 2004.
1992:
The man with all the money, all the support, and the polls was Paul Tsongas.
He was the golden boy unstoppable front runner. If anyone could cause a insurgency against him the primary it was Jerry Brown. Paul Tsongas won the first primary in NH. Clinton did not win any of the first primaries. The south supported Clinton and Bill became the "comeback kid" of the primaries coming out of nowhere.
1988:
The front runner was a man named Gary Hart, He seemed unstoppable. Had all the money and such. However media obsessions about extramarital affairs destroyed him.
Two men took his place as the front runners. Joe Biden and Al Gore. Joe Biden stupidly plagiarized a speech, destroying his campaign. Al Gore's kid got hit by a car and nearly killed so he quit to stay with his son. Which left the primary with the unknown Dukakis.
Front runners in Democratic primaries(Hillary Clinton) almost never win. It has happened only once to my memory in nearly 50 years.
2004:
Early in 2003 Edwards raised more cash than Kerry. Then came Dean mania and he raised more than Kerry and was the unstoppable front runner untill mere weeks before the primaries of Jan. 2004.
1992:
The man with all the money, all the support, and the polls was Paul Tsongas.
He was the golden boy unstoppable front runner. If anyone could cause a insurgency against him the primary it was Jerry Brown. Paul Tsongas won the first primary in NH. Clinton did not win any of the first primaries. The south supported Clinton and Bill became the "comeback kid" of the primaries coming out of nowhere.
1988:
The front runner was a man named Gary Hart, He seemed unstoppable. Had all the money and such. However media obsessions about extramarital affairs destroyed him.
Two men took his place as the front runners. Joe Biden and Al Gore. Joe Biden stupidly plagiarized a speech, destroying his campaign. Al Gore's kid got hit by a car and nearly killed so he quit to stay with his son. Which left the primary with the unknown Dukakis.
Yes. In Democratic primaries only once since 1956 has a front runner ever been nominated.Bad_Boy said:So what your saying is hilliary's odds are against her and we will probably see Edwards or Obama as the runner? I dont have any problem with that.
History is strongly against her. However the opposite is true for Republicans(and therefore good for McCain). The only time a front runner lost the primaries for a GOP in recent times was 1964.
I don't think it matters who is president in the longrun, so I'm all for Hilary or Obama as that would make history.
Don't freakin' vote for Edwards. There is nothing special about him. If you're going to waste your vote, waste it on someone else. Unless of course, you're a mysogynistic racist, and just can't bear to vote for either a black guy or a woman.
Don't freakin' vote for Edwards. There is nothing special about him. If you're going to waste your vote, waste it on someone else. Unless of course, you're a mysogynistic racist, and just can't bear to vote for either a black guy or a woman.
The african american Jesse Jackson got a very close second in 1984.Bad_Boy said:
Ironically that was the only time the Democrats(or any major party) had a women running. A female was VP nominee with Mondale for the Democrats.
Also it is the one time that I mentioned since 56 a front runner won the nomination (Mondale). :lol
Kastrioti said:
How does this deter from the fact that most whites would prefer that a black man did not become their leader. So what if racism is just as prevalent in the black community as it is in the whites there is too much light/dark (the lighter you are the better) Afro-American/African skinned prejudice in the black community for us to truly unify also add to the fact that we are mostly at the bottem at the social totem pole where ever we go.
Also on the China vs USA thing fighting China will kill us since China has us by the balls economically.
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Yeah. Being partially related to Al Gore (not by blood), it would be awesome having somewhat of a relative as president (no joke, I'm seriously partially related to him). He got the popular vote in 2000, so he can definitely get support.tnw said:
As for Hilary, I'd rather vote for her than another Bush personally. I won't know who I'll bote for until 2008.
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Fvck hillary, she was with that crazy lieberman guy on trying to bitch slap gaming. Fvck that noise.
I think you Americans should vote in a president with strong policies and a decent IQ. Sounds like a lot of people would vote Hillary in just so they can prove a point to the rest of the world they aren't sexist, or vote Obama in to prove they aren't racist. Vote in which ever one of them in, i'm not saying you shouldn't...but at least have a good reason other than 'wouldn't it be cool to have a black president like on 24'.
nelsonroyale
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hmmmm
Hillary may have the Clinton name and fund raising prowess but she lacks charisma. I was watching the news and they showed some stock footage of her meeting and greeting normal people at a subway station and it was awful watching her trying to talk to the passerby.
If Hillary ends up winning the primaries I think a Clinton-Obama ticket might be doable and it would be quite historic if that ticket wins.
If Hillary ends up winning the primaries I think a Clinton-Obama ticket might be doable and it would be quite historic if that ticket wins.
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Deku said:
Hillary wouldn't pick Obama as VP. Why would she pick someone who could outshine her in every way?
Assuming she wins she'll pick either Richardson or even Clark. Richardson is a good friend of the Clintons, and he's got foriegn policy experience, as does Clark
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Deku said:
I think she'll make her own decision on the VP, as anyone would. Obama would probably get people excited but at the same time he'd take the spotlight off her. And...he offers little to nothing as VP. Cheney is really the perfect kind of VP in the sense of what he brings to Bush's administration; on the opposite end of the spectrum would be someone like Quayle, who brought little to the first Bush's administration.
Richardson would be a hands-on type VP a la Cheney imo. Obviously he wouldn't be in charge like Cheney lol, but I think he'd be very influencial with foreign policy decisions.
Why? They look perfectly clean cut, happy and likeable family. Hell, the wierdest thing to me is the wife's "aware that she lives in public life" haircut.Bad_Boy said:It's just too hard to imagine this family in the white house:
Seriously, we all have our inner racists or whatever, but Obama is one of those leaders that transcends. I can visualize that as our first family with no problem at all. American voters are very emotional and vote on trustworthiness, likeability, how well they relate to the candidate -- very intuititive, rather than intellectual -- somewhat shallow. Race-doomsayers be damned, I think that works in Obama's favor in spades. He's one of the most relatable, down-to-earth, not to mention youthfully handsome politicians since Kennedy.
Just my two cents as a white guy.
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As a libertarian who votes for Republicans because I have no self-esteem, here's my opinion:
-Hillary scares the hell out of me and I don't have confidence in her as a uniting leader who can actually rally the support of the country to get anything done under her term in office, assuming she wins, which I doubt she will excepting the fact she'll probably get way more money than everyone else and will thus have more horsepower going into the primaries. She strikes me as extremely divisive and abrasive.
-Obama seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could constructively listen to both sides and maybe take the country closer to some sort of middle ground, which is appealing to me, and I don't think I'd mind voting for him if a guy who I have no confidence in (McCain) runs against him.
This is going to be interesting. Anyway, all this Hillary thing makes me think about is the fact that I wouldn't mind seeing Obama in the White House, even if he ****s stuff up big time. I mean, after Bush my standards are pretty goddamn low.
-Hillary scares the hell out of me and I don't have confidence in her as a uniting leader who can actually rally the support of the country to get anything done under her term in office, assuming she wins, which I doubt she will excepting the fact she'll probably get way more money than everyone else and will thus have more horsepower going into the primaries. She strikes me as extremely divisive and abrasive.
-Obama seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could constructively listen to both sides and maybe take the country closer to some sort of middle ground, which is appealing to me, and I don't think I'd mind voting for him if a guy who I have no confidence in (McCain) runs against him.
This is going to be interesting. Anyway, all this Hillary thing makes me think about is the fact that I wouldn't mind seeing Obama in the White House, even if he ****s stuff up big time. I mean, after Bush my standards are pretty goddamn low.
That's not all - did you see this shit?emomoonbase said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml
Hell, if FOX News endorses her, you can stick a fork in '08 - it's hers!
Re: The gaming thing. I hate when Democrats snuggle up to conservatives for blatant centrist-vote-fishing, especially when one of my hobbies is targeted. GRR!
TOM f'N CRUISE
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theres no better first lady then BILL..............hes a natural born pimp:lolManaByte said:But we'd get this man as the First Lady:
The Playboy Mansion - East would officially be open at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
BILL: "I cant baleave she thinks shes the President":lol :lol
IM VOTING FOR BILL
There is no chance she'd pick Obama. Edwards probably would, but not Hillary no. Obama is part of the non-Clinton friendly anti-DLC wing of the Democratic party. No chance in hell she'd pick him.Deku said:
Hillary will pick someone friendly to her and Bill. Clark and Richardson are the most likely choices, they are loyal to the Clinton's and very experienced in foreign policy.
Richardson is the anti-Cheney. Extremely experienced, he has been everywhere but is a nice guy. Congressman, Governor, UN Ambassador, Energy Secretary under Bill Clinton.
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Hitokage said:
I disagree.
Most people want Bill Clinton 2 because of the stability and prosperity that took place during his administration. Something that of course is sorely lacking now. It doesn't have so much to do with sexism as it has to do with wanting what happened in the 1990s to happen again.
I don't think Obama being black is the problem. The people who do think its a problem are going to be voting for the GOP or Patrick Buchanan anyway. Its not like he would lose votes. He might get many black voters who never voted before. I think if Obama were to run, he would do very well and could win. The only problem is that he might not know the right people to secure the huge amounts of donations that Hillary could.
It wasnt about if they were clean cut or a likeable family. From that standpoint they look fine. I'm talking about a african american family in the white house, its just too hard to imagine imo. Its just sad there are still racist people in the world that wont look past the skin color. But dont get me wrong, I would be proud as hell as an american if that kind of thing happened in my lifetime. Like I said, obama has my vote if he runs. I just cant see him winning.terrene said:
The Obama race question is meaningless.
Why? The people who would refuse to vote for someone because he is black already vote Republican as is. He would never have their vote even if he was white.
What people would vote for a liberal pro-choice pro-gay marriage democrat but are very racist to the point of not supporting a black candidate under any circumstance?
These people don't exist.
Why? The people who would refuse to vote for someone because he is black already vote Republican as is. He would never have their vote even if he was white.
What people would vote for a liberal pro-choice pro-gay marriage democrat but are very racist to the point of not supporting a black candidate under any circumstance?
These people don't exist.
I can understand people not wanting her to run, but to say she's the worst candidate in your lifetime? Come on.Cubsfan23 said:
Anyway, we may see that the race is much different in 2008... lots of overreacting going on in here. I don't even know if she'll be able to make it past the primary, despite how much money she has.
:lol Trust me, I'm no racist. I'm black and my best friend is white and has been since I was in the 1st grade. Not to mention I went to elementary/middle/high school majority of being white, and college majority of black. I've went out with asian girls, white girls, black girls, latino girls, you name it. Anyways thats besides the point, I'm just saying...this country has had a long history of racism, and has never had a black president in the hundred odd years we have had presidents. So all I'm saying is for something like that to happen in my lifetime would make me proud to be an american, I just can't believe it until it happens.Seth C said:
Look, I dont care what color the man/woman is I'm voting for as long as I'm ok with what his/her interests, actions, and beliefs are. Thats what I vote for at the end of the day so color is no issue to me. From what I hear, obama is a great guy. I'm just saying unfortunately there are still people in this world who might not vote for him just because of his skin color and its sad. The fact that we are even talking about this today is cool, 80 years ago it would of been a joke to even think of something like this.
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The quest for the nomination is not politics, it's a race against evil. If it is captured by Hillary, the armies of darkness will march all over the face of the earth. Do you understand me?
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Smiling Bandit said:
:lol Post of the day.
a) No matter how quickly you do it, how can you possibly estimate the country's age and come with a number less than 200?Bad_Boy said:
b) I'd say the civil rights movement serves as a better point of reference than the birth of the nation (no reference intended) anyway. A lot of progress has been made in those forty years. More still needs to come, but outside of the presidency and vice-presidency, African-Americans have found a place at every level of government.
c) Just the sheer fact that we have an African-American making a serious bid for the office is a huge step. It's not a protest candidate or some longshot just looking to force other candidates to address a favored issue. His aim is truly for the presidency, and that's a pretty big development.
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Petraca said:
What the hell? Do you honestly believe Syria, Iran, or NK wants any part in a war with the US? Wow.
China hmm. Our presence in Iraq makes us much weaker than we'd be normally. But god I hate playing the "my country can **** your country up" game
TOM f'N CRUISE
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wtf:lol :lolPikmindictator said:
I meant multiple hundred, sorry if I worded that wrong.Dan said:
True. But I think you and me can both agree that an african american in the highest level would be pretty huge. As the same for a woman president.Dan said:
Thats exactly what I meant by "The fact that we are even talking about this today is cool, 80 years ago it would of been a joke to even think of something like this."Dan said:
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