It's definitely a Catholic thing, right?
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Hillary Clinton Selects Tim Kaine As VP
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It's definitely a Catholic thing, right?
whyamihere
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Clinton/Kaine. I get why it was Hillary in the primary, but Hillary/Kaine would be weird.
And yes, I thought about this all week.
Yes. And I respect that.
PP is pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Kaine correctly thinks the choice to abort or carry to term is the woman's, not his or the government's. PP doesn't care if you don't want to have an abortion. They do object when "pro-lifers" interfere in the care they provide to their patients. Ergo, they don't have a problem with politicians as long as politicians stay out of the decision.
foodtaster
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worse for whom?
100% democratic turnout in all local elections doesn't keep gay marriage legal in Texas.
Officerrob
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100%
NullPointer
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Those who would need to be motivated to engage and vote.
Fiddling with the NY times interactive, let's assume Hillary gets Virginia because of Kaine.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html
If Hillary then wins Florida OR PA OR Ohio, she wins the election, period. Trump can win every other swing state and will still lose, including winning states like Nevada and New Hampshire.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html
If Hillary then wins Florida OR PA OR Ohio, she wins the election, period. Trump can win every other swing state and will still lose, including winning states like Nevada and New Hampshire.
What the fuck are you even talking about. Having the supreme Court be conservative would damage the u.s. for generations. We're talking looking 20+ years here. It would be devastating to minorities, woman rights, and a host of other shit that cannot be undone easily. Just zero awareness of what actually matters. So fucking easy to say this when you have no skin in the game.
NYCmetsfan
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Pew showed Catholic Republicans aren't happy with Trump. Could help picking a few away in places like Ohio and PA suburbs.
This is a good pick
This is a good pick
I'm pretty sure he's pro-choice.
Already Torn
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Is this including once Trump wins Cali and NY?
I was curious how he got 100% from both planned parenthood and the human rights campaign. But i guess I should've know better.
Fucking gold.
My god... how far down does this go?
Hillary Rodham Clinton = Halt Horny Old Criminal
Amazing debates forthcoming.
Father_Brain
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That is also a valid, rational perspective which I can respect, sure. But
lol
I'm assuming you are being sarcastic.
Anyway, if Trump wins NY or Cali he would have won the swing states anyway, so the point is moot. NY and Cali aren't exactly known for large numbers of blue collar white people disgruntled with globalisation. I can see Trump winning Ohio or PA, maybe even make inroads in Michigan in poorer scenarios for Clinton, but Clinton will probably do well on the coasts.
wesleyshark
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Shouldn't take too long lol
Bam Bam Baklava
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We're getting closer and closer to the "you choose your own reality" society. It's not 100 degrees outside, it's a blizzard! Who cares, there are no rules anymore.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Because this man believes that his personal views shouldn't be enforced as policy by the federal government.
wesleyshark
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Wow lol
VistraNorrez
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My wife told me the other week the priest at her Catholic church had a homily that was basically anti-trump.
King Tubby
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I think it's pretty clear to Catholics everywhere which way the Pope would vote, at the very least.
I feel like that's a pretty reasonable stance, actually. Although, that's pretty much my own stance on the issue, so I guess I'd be biased.
What does this have to do with SCOTUS? So just fuck basic human rights so that dems will come out and vote more?
I assume you are a white male just from what I am reading here.
In short he would rather they have the right to do it, and try to convince them not to, as opposed to take away their right to do it.
Yeah, that's really odd. What's up with that?
TheChocoboCadet
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This is incredible.
it doesn't sound like he wants to "convince them not to". sounds like he wants to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
VistraNorrez
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Well, I know a few Catholics that do not like Pope Francis.
Aarglefarg
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Not quite? Clinton getting both VA and PA (or both VA and OH) would mean Trump could win if he gets all the other states included in that interactive forecast. VA and PA would result in a tie.
Morrigan Stark
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Haha no, Milli Vanilli was accused of lip synch faking. Vanilla Ice was the one accused of plagiarism. (Well maybe Milli Vanilli was plagiarising too, IDK)
lol, SMH
My guess is that they're only counting swing states? Trump getting "all the other states included" seems unlikely?
titiklabingapat
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This pick also solidifies the inevitable bluing of Virginia. After this election cycle, VA is pretty much considered a blue state now.
I was a Bernie supporter and I'll be voting for Stein for president because I'd like to see the Democrats move further left (or better yet a change in the election system to allow third parties a real chance), but that's only because I live in Texas where my vote will not change the actual outcome. If I was in a battleground state I'd definitely be voting for Clinton, and watching Trump's speech last night only solidified that.
If you're in a battleground state and you aren't voting for Clinton I wonder if it's partially because you feel like your life wouldn't be directly harmed by a Trump presidency. I'm an educated straight white man with solid work experience, I feel like I'd be able to survive four years of Trump (unless he started WW3 or something). I also feel like this is a position of privilege. The stakes are much higher if you're part of the groups Trump has targeted as the enemy. Being a minority in Trump's America sounds fucking awful.
Watching that speech last night felt like watching the birth of fascism. If it was a Romney or a Bush I'd be a little more sympathetic towards the "vote your conscience" crowd, but Trump is just too fucking dangerous. Suck it up battlegrounders, vote Hillary, look for progressive options down ticket.
If you're in a battleground state and you aren't voting for Clinton I wonder if it's partially because you feel like your life wouldn't be directly harmed by a Trump presidency. I'm an educated straight white man with solid work experience, I feel like I'd be able to survive four years of Trump (unless he started WW3 or something). I also feel like this is a position of privilege. The stakes are much higher if you're part of the groups Trump has targeted as the enemy. Being a minority in Trump's America sounds fucking awful.
Watching that speech last night felt like watching the birth of fascism. If it was a Romney or a Bush I'd be a little more sympathetic towards the "vote your conscience" crowd, but Trump is just too fucking dangerous. Suck it up battlegrounders, vote Hillary, look for progressive options down ticket.
You can personally disagree with abortions without impeding on other people's right to have them and decide what's best for themselves.
Abortion is a very very personal subject that you're allowed to feel any way you want on. What you cannot do is force your view onto other people through legislation which is why Kaine ranks high among Planned Parenthood.
Despite feeling the way he does he clearly recognizes that forcing his beliefs onto other people is wrong. I believe Biden said the same thing in the VP debates.
Abortion is a very very personal subject that you're allowed to feel any way you want on. What you cannot do is force your view onto other people through legislation which is why Kaine ranks high among Planned Parenthood.
Despite feeling the way he does he clearly recognizes that forcing his beliefs onto other people is wrong. I believe Biden said the same thing in the VP debates.
"Protecting the country" can mean very different things to different people. Ditto "doing what's right." That's why we are where we are, for any number of social issues.
Sorry, this was also assuming Nevada was in Clinton hands.
The people who can be pushed to the right just because liberal randos on the internet were mean to them were never liberals. They may have voted for liberal policies, but they are quick to hold social progress hostage and are the same people who will magically somehow become social conservatives as soon as they hit middle age - because they never cared in the first place. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try and keep them on our side for as long as we could, but they are still unprincipled people and I think that should be recognized.
Exactly, very well said.
Exactly, very well said.
Mr_Antimatter
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That's going to be hard, as many are set in their ways, and well, you have the old specter of racism/xenophobia at play.
Not an exciting pick, but a great one nonetheless. Tim Kaine has always seemed like a pretty good guy, I agree with him on most issues, he has an impressive resume, and he'll help secure a swing state that'll go a long way toward giving Hillary the presidency.
The thread about banking regulations was a depressing read. Common sense and a sense of perspective are in such short supply these days.
The thread about banking regulations was a depressing read. Common sense and a sense of perspective are in such short supply these days.
Thank you. I agree.
Morrigan Stark
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I agree with you but I think you should vote Hillary too and contribute to the purpling of Texas. Just IMO
For some sure, but there are definitely some moderate ones that can go either way.
Black Mamba
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I agree with you but I think you should vote Hillary too and contribute to the purpling of Texas. Just IMO
No. People who want to protest vote should protest vote in states like Texas or California which are locked in. That's a smart use of a protest vote.
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