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Hillary Clinton Thanks Ronald Reagan for AIDS Actions

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I'm generally politically apathetic at this point (the whole field is pretty shit and irrelevant this cycle anyway barring the house shifting either direction which isn't happening). I just hate when saying something this deliriously out of touch and, honestly, offensive is just painted as yet another political gaffe.

It's not to me.
 
The forum is predominantly Hillary and Bernie supporters. The rhetoric is ratcheted so high that both candidates' supporters are looking for that gotcha article that proves that the other candidate is the worst. This election is the first time that I'm really going into a primary fairly objectively. I'm for Sanders, but I'll be perfectly happy with Hillary too. So I really get a good look at the constant attempts at oneupmanship that's going on. It's already gotten pretty ugly. I'll be happy when primary season is over and we can settle down and support the candidate in the general.

Well, I can't speak for anybody else, but my reaction would be the same if this happened a month from now.

The notion that people upset by this are just engaging in rhetoric and looking for "gotcha" moments is frankly pretty insulting.
 

Volimar

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Well, I can't speak for anybody else, but my reaction would be the same if this happened a month from now.

The notion that people upset by this are just engaging in rhetoric and looking for "gotcha" moments is frankly pretty insulting.


I was speaking in general as to why the forum is getting hard to read, not necessarily speaking just about this thread.
 
I was speaking in general as to why the forum is getting hard to read, not necessarily speaking just about this thread.

I mean it's the first real election we've had in the social media age, it's just gonna get worse as we advance, tbh. You think both sides pandering in a primary is annoying with 1000 threads. Wait till they start REALLY campaigning.
 
I was speaking in general as to why the forum is getting hard to read, not necessarily speaking just about this thread.
Well, okay, I just don't get how that applies here or why it would be brought up by the other poster in this thread in particular.
 
Well, okay, I just don't get how that applies here or why it would be brought up by the other poster in this thread in particular.

Because it's pertaining to the candidate they like.

OT: How's Mae-Ken looked? Haven't been paying attention.

At this point I just think Jesus should come down from his space ship and force an election season do over.

Bring Diamond Joe's son back and have Romney run and then we're talking a real election. This is just vaudeville.
 

SamVimes

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What a fuckup. Also I don't believe for a second that Reagan would have given a tenth of a shit about stem cell research and Alzheimer if he didn't suffer from it himself.
 

kmag

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From the New Yorker:



More at the link for anyone interested in the context and backstory.

Koop was an interesting guy. He was a great paediatric surgeon, deeply conservative to the point it caused a rucus when he was nominated, especially over his personal objection to abortion...

but while he was personally against abortion, he thought it was a personal moral decision, and he refused to bow in the face of political pressure from the administration to declare abortion as detrimental to womans health.

I imagine given his religious and conservative nature he wouldn't have been exactly sympathic to what was seen as "gay disease" but he was a smart man and a good doctor who quickly worked out the epidemiological implications of the disease and didn't let his personal politics or religion get the way. It's worth remember he had to fight the administration every step of the way up until very late on.


and he had a fucking stellar beard.


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He also took it to the tobacco companies. Interesting guy who did far more good than harm which isn't something you can say about a lot of the folks in Reagan's administration.
 

Ekai

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I'm generally politically apathetic at this point (the whole field is pretty shit and irrelevant this cycle anyway barring the house shifting either direction which isn't happening). I just hate when saying something this deliriously out of touch and, honestly, offensive is just painted as yet another political gaffe.

It's not to me.

I echo these thoughts for the most part as well. Particularly the end. But Hillary supporters have successfully suppressed this, I guess.


He does sound interesting, I suppose. Not as staunchly to the right as some, I guess.
 

Chmpocalypse

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Yeah, I believe it was a earnest mistake, but it's extremely odd to see such an otherwise polished and factually in control Clinton make it. It's a little disappointing.

Factually in control? Like about, say, Tuzla? Really?

I don't believe she made a mistake. I think she made a bewildering calculated attempt at pandering to people who still worship Reagan's rotting corpse.
 

Christine

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Even the most charitable interpretation of her remarks as a mistake rather than a lie doesn't speak well to her priorities. Praising Nancy was clearly more important than getting the facts right.
 

ElFly

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A bro on another forum pointed out that Hillary may have confused Nancy Reagan with Barbara Bush

Barbara Bush made the front page of many global newspapers when, during a visit to "Grandma's House," a pediatric AIDS care center, she held a baby infected with the virus and posed for photographers to record what was then an act that was often misunderstood as making one susceptible to contracting it. She then went to hug an adult with AIDS as well. She took the President to the National Institute of Health to meet with male patients who had AIDS, and attended the funeral of the heroic teenager Ryan White who succumbed to AIDS after leading a long public education campaign on the issue. When there was an AIDS memorial vigil where gatherers held candles, she placed candles in all the White House windows and asked several family members of those who had died of the illness to bring to her in the White House parts of a national AIDS quilt that was then on display on the national mall. Although she told the press that because of the federal deficit, increased funding was an issue the President would have to decide, Time magazine credited Barbara Bush's concern for those with AIDS for influencing the President to propose increased research and treatment funding.
 
That Barbara Bush getting us to finally start talking about AIDS by going to an established AIDS care center

Politicians don't deserve admiration for the fight against AIDS in the 80's and 90's. It was protesters, activists and the advocacy groups that developed from that who deserve all the praise.
 

Volimar

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You guys should watch The Normal Heart. Very good film about an activist trying to get support for HIV in the early 80's not only from the government but from the gay communities. Mark Ruffalo, Julia Roberts, Jim Parsons and Matt Bomer all give great performances.
 

Ekai

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Reading that little blurb you'd think that the LGBT movement started with the AIDS epidemic. It really started/exploded in 1969 with Stonewall.

Edit: Ops, quoted the wrong person. Meant to quote the medium link.
 

Toxi

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Shit like this is making me wonder why I was so indecisive for the primary.

Sanders ain't perfect, but he looks like Jesus Christ next to Clinton. Even if she took back this statement, the fact she said it in the first place is part of the troubling trend of her glorifying and advocating for my country's worst actions.

And the sad thing is, I'll be voting for her anyway come the general because the alternative is going to be an ACA-repealing, Latino-hating butt.
 
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