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Hillary's interview w/ A. Cooper: Sander's supporters are still incredibly divisive
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VendettaRed07
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The second paragraph is stupid and he should not have said this. Comes off as an excuse and not a good mentality if he wants to correct his mistakes and actually mount a winning campaign going forward.
Wow. That wasn't hard. Calling a dumb statement dumb, instead of invoking whataboutery
Hillary needs to stop bringing up Bernie and 2016. She's brought it up on multiple different platforms now and it's getting ridiculous. Just stop.
ErasureAcer
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Delusions, a sign of mental illness. She's not well.
This is why Bernie was so bad for the election, he reveled in the ignorance of his supporters.
She has a book out, is on tour and is doing interviews. She has EVERY right to say her peace on this matter. No one has to like the truth when it's presented to them, but she can serve it up anyway.
It helps expose Sanders for what he is and hopefully prevent him or anyone like him trying to divide the party in the future. Maybe we'll get over this in a few years, but not as long as Sanders is still hanging around dragging things down.
Rumblebones
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Dems gonna stack them Ls if they keep trying to put the blame on Sanders supporters and push this overblown Berniebros narrative.
Hillary need to toe the line and make sure to support whoever's up next.
Hillary need to toe the line and make sure to support whoever's up next.
TheLostBigBoss
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This thread isn't helping in discrediting the Berniebro narrative
Oh my, a whole passage.
A passage that simply states he was up against a candidate with a bunch of pre-existing support.
That's definitely comparable and there's not even a hint of false equivalency.
According to the evidence we have he did a better a job than she did in 2008. How is this so hard?
LegendofDragoonLives
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Lost to an insecure, billionaire oompa loompa that has consistently made an ass out of himself. Already the biggest jobber in a presidential election and going for the biggest sore loser in a presidential election next.
Hopefully the Democratic party has some sense in the next couple of years and convinces her to stay away from another presidential campaign. Or Trump's repeating.
Hopefully the Democratic party has some sense in the next couple of years and convinces her to stay away from another presidential campaign. Or Trump's repeating.
1.21Gigawatts
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Its beyond me how anyone could not vote for Clinton when the other option is Trump.
But Clinton shouldn't try to blame anyone else than herself. Yes, lots of obstacles where put in her way, but she was still up against the weakest and most unqualified candidate in history and her loss could've easily been avoided if it hadn't been for several obvious mistakes she made.
I also think its quite arrogant for a centrist to think that they deserve the votes of the left by default.
If anything, this election was a message by the voter that centrism isn't popular.
Its time for democrats to embrace their left wing. Its their future. Northern European style social democracy, the most successful system on the planet right now. Get behind it.
But Clinton shouldn't try to blame anyone else than herself. Yes, lots of obstacles where put in her way, but she was still up against the weakest and most unqualified candidate in history and her loss could've easily been avoided if it hadn't been for several obvious mistakes she made.
I also think its quite arrogant for a centrist to think that they deserve the votes of the left by default.
If anything, this election was a message by the voter that centrism isn't popular.
Its time for democrats to embrace their left wing. Its their future. Northern European style social democracy, the most successful system on the planet right now. Get behind it.
How About No
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Ummm u ok there...?
Reptars Revenge
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People definitely do it for Al Gore
Novel Mike
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Right and we should be focused on the future instead of continuing to debate whose fault it was that democrats lost last year. Every day we spend dividing ourselves over Bernie and Hillary is another day that the GOP gets stronger and is able to set themselves up to win again next year when it REALLY matters.
Honestly thats why I wish Hillary would stop antagonizing Bernie and his supporters so damn much. Blaming him in her book and then comments like here are just revisiting old wounds and getting people fired up about the wrong fucking things. Now more then ever she should be a voice of unification if she is going to be a voice at all but nope, still all about why she lost and blaming it on groups that actually did end up supporting her and barely taking any real blame on herself. That doesn't help any democrats, should they have have supported her or Bernie in the primaries.
Is this a trick question? The 2016 presidential elections? Him vying for a cabinet seat during the transition?
theCalamity
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I guess I have a different perspective on it. Its clear to me that hes showing how difficult it would be to win the nomination.
Trojita
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He kind of disappeared on his own too. The reemergence with the beard.
TheLostBigBoss
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One could easily argue that a portion of her supporters were racially motivated to not vote for Obama, while one could argue that Sanders poisoned the well in constantly attacking the entire democratic party in labeling them as corrupt elitists which did nothing but add fuel to the fire for the right to drive that narrative and push swing voters away from her.
Clinton couldn't gain back a section of her supporters in some states, Sanders did the damage himself during the campaign.
People have blinders on.
Primary vote count in '08:
Obama: 17,535,458
Clinton: 17,493,836
Clinton was beatable in both '08 and '16 but in '16 Sanders was not able to do the things he needed to in order to win. He's not a guy that can adapt like that.
He's literally one of the most popular politicians around today and he's changing the conversation about healthcare and moving the party forward. Dems would be even more fucked if he wasn't around.
RustyNails
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Okay, if you want to have a serious discussion, make serious posts. It's not atall overblown and is true. Many Bernie supporters supported Trump. This is from Florida
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/bernie-sanders-supporters-give-trump-edge-florida-poll
You can blame her for not going to the states she should have.
You'd be wrong, since she campaigned heavily in Florida and Pennsylvania and lost both states.
In other words
Nate Silver said:
It's pretty clear she was asked about him in the excerpt posted in the OP.
Rumblebones
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We have data that proves the Berniebro narrative is bullshit.
Hillary stans need to sit down. You had your way bullying Sanders supporters and your preferred candidate lost.
Rather than shit on Sanders for building a following on the people, blame Hillary for not campaigning better. Or blame yourselves for picking the wrong candidates.
Don't blame the group of supporters that showed more support Hillary than Hillary supporters did for Obama.
AmayaPapaya
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I don't think he was blaming them. There is nothing in that passage Bernie did not say on the campaign trail, in the context of defining what they were up against (the status quo).
It could be sour grapes, but it's just a passage, without context. Is it about him complaining why he lost, or is it about him defining the types of things that people who go against the status quo have to deal with-which is literally what his most recent book is about?
This isn't on her, this is on America embracing white supremacy openly again. She can't do shit when some of her own "side" don't even care about minorities the way they should. The state of district lines in the sf bay area and the white capitol of Oregon are proof of this.
Principate
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Every righte? This is for personal profit, the only perosn that book tour helps is herself. I'm glad i'm not an American citizen because some of this shit is ridiculous.
HilBeard will fix everything. Get growing Hillary!
TheOfficeMut
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Threads like this always bring out people who seemingly don't know what it's like to be human. If you seriously expect the opponent of the most important presidential race to stay quiet, retreat to a hole and not air her grief then you're absolutely insane. She does no harm to you if she speaks her mind yet some of you internalize and personalize it so much.
The fact that many of you expect her to shut up and go away is really embarrassing. Being out of the race isn't enough for some of you - she needs to be erased from memory completely. God forbid she has an opinion, that "woman" should automatically shut up. Made even more ironic that many of you calling for her reclusion assuredly didn't vote or voted for anyone but her, yet you'll fault her and want her to shut up. Take your own advice.
The fact that many of you expect her to shut up and go away is really embarrassing. Being out of the race isn't enough for some of you - she needs to be erased from memory completely. God forbid she has an opinion, that "woman" should automatically shut up. Made even more ironic that many of you calling for her reclusion assuredly didn't vote or voted for anyone but her, yet you'll fault her and want her to shut up. Take your own advice.
The only ignorance is people who somehow are still upset at Bernie Sanders even after the Primary.
If you think the election would've changed if Bernie ceased to exist, then I got some bad news for you.
Nobody would be upset with her if she was acting like an adult. She's been opening up wounds and hurling insults at a now large portion of the people who voted for her and represent her party.
She's allowed to have an opinion, but so am I.
legacyzero
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Uhhh. No? Read my post again. I said his post was excessive. But I think she's taking it really hard.
Air Zombie Meat
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Goddamn it everyone really needs to move on from this. Just getting ridiculous at this point and I'd hate to see a repeat of all the infighting next election.
ErasureAcer
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She's already warned Democrats not to follow Bernie as a leader. She's still hating.
She lost to Trump, wouldn't you? And as such, so she should.
Then I guess we're all leftists here. Why is there so much intra-leftist conflict?
Gunblade47
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I'm reaching my limit with this finger pointing among one another. This is doing sweet fuck all to help the democrats either. Trump is the evils of capitalism incarnate and is destroying the lives of the defenseless. At least try to unite the party ffs!
jack_package_200
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They booed John Lewis, an actual civil rights hero.
Many = less than 20% in one state
The fact that it was that close of a race with Trump is just proof of how flawed of a candidate she was. Not many people outside of her very vocal base felt good about her.
So Clinton voters that went for McCain did it because they're racist and Clinton couldn't do anything about it and Sanders voters were totally under his control when they went for Trump?
Better now than closer to the midterms or 2020.
It might have been different if Bernie wasn't crowing about corruption like he's not. The fact that you don't even know the facts about the case against Hillary, and are spitting out the same bullshit Bernie was, means you can't talk from a position of credibility.
Maybe you meant last paragraph rather than sentence, because it reads like you think she is mentally ill, but not as ill as Trump.
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