Kacho
Gold Member
It feels like shit to play because of this. I hate it with every fiber of my being.
Hollow Knight is incredibly overrated.
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It feels like shit to play because of this. I hate it with every fiber of my being.
Shadowstar39
Member
Yep. Meanwhile a super fun revolutionary game like Shadow labyrinth comes out and crickets... It's basically pac man metroidvania.
Also other indies in the same genre games like guns of fury, Infernax, and chronicles of the wolf, get no talk at all.
I tried both hollow knight and animal well (own them both and both get raved about), and I don't find them that compelling at all.
I'd rather go and play the cv collections again or an another indie. Maybe it's character both aren't humanoids. Maybe that's also why I never pick up ori games.
Or maybe just a generational thing. Genx sensibility (Castlevania /metroid) vs gen z (cutsie style)?
Also other indies in the same genre games like guns of fury, Infernax, and chronicles of the wolf, get no talk at all.
I tried both hollow knight and animal well (own them both and both get raved about), and I don't find them that compelling at all.
I'd rather go and play the cv collections again or an another indie. Maybe it's character both aren't humanoids. Maybe that's also why I never pick up ori games.
Or maybe just a generational thing. Genx sensibility (Castlevania /metroid) vs gen z (cutsie style)?
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Paltheos
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This is how I feel about Super Metroid!
But on-topic! Hollow Knight's a good game. Very good. My chief criticisms are that the platforms are all designed flat without any slopes (easier to develop for but less visual variety) and that the game suffers from Mega Man X syndrome. That is, the game really, really should have started you with the dash and that you can go too long without it. Nothing else really, except maybe that you can trap yourself in the Deepnest with shit gear and no way out without going through the whole thing.
But on-topic! Hollow Knight's a good game. Very good. My chief criticisms are that the platforms are all designed flat without any slopes (easier to develop for but less visual variety) and that the game suffers from Mega Man X syndrome. That is, the game really, really should have started you with the dash and that you can go too long without it. Nothing else really, except maybe that you can trap yourself in the Deepnest with shit gear and no way out without going through the whole thing.
Closer
Member
That's an apple
Shadowstar39
Member
They remind me of the Celeste and undertale game fanbase... The same stunted furry loving weirdos. (also two games I have no desire to play).
OK ok, not that bad. The undertale folks are insufferable and weird.
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HJuggernaut
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Axiom Verge (1) is much better
Werewolf Jones
Member
It's like slightly above average.
I'm not a big fan of Hollow Knight but i still respect this more than the metroidvania games who are deep into the Symphony of the Night formula with the obnoxious RPG stuff.
HK has a big world, good universe and atmosphere, huge content but still manage to have some very tightly designed bosses and plateforming segments. It's a very good game that strikes a decent balance between all its influences so everybody can enjoy it to some extent.
I still don't enjoy it as much as a classic Castlevania or other arcade action plateformers. There's also a lot of boring stuff in it.
HK has a big world, good universe and atmosphere, huge content but still manage to have some very tightly designed bosses and plateforming segments. It's a very good game that strikes a decent balance between all its influences so everybody can enjoy it to some extent.
I still don't enjoy it as much as a classic Castlevania or other arcade action plateformers. There's also a lot of boring stuff in it.
Shadowstar39
Member
Castlevania sotn of course.
Any of the other Koji castlevania games.
Dead cells
Bloodstained.
Guns of fury (metal slug/classic metal gear Vania)
Salt and sanctuary (if it counts)
And my current game Shadow Labyrinth... People need to not sleep on this. The game has the exploration lacking in other titles and since irs Bandi Namco it's a AA budget. Pac man metroidvania sounds weird but it has killer gameplay!
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Kacho
Gold Member
No, you are 100% on the money with this. Hollow Knight, Celeste and Undertale are overrated by the same crowd.
You mean like SotN and Super Metroid? I could slot in a variety of games for the last spot. Dead Cells for one is way more interesting than HK because it isn't bogged down by terrible pacing and has an S tier gameplay loop.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
SupaComputa
Member
It is really slow and traversal is tedious, but it is hard to deny it's a great game. Just too much for me for the style.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
"X" or "Y" game "is OvErAtEd!!" never gets old... oh wait, yes they do.
CosmicComet
Member
Never played Hollow Knight before. Doesn't look interesting to me. Totally not my kind of artstyle.
I kept seeing people talk up some upcoming masterpiece only referred to as 'Silksong' and kept wracking my brains wondering why I never heard of it. It's been getting hype on par with a Miyazaki title.
...and then i look it up finally and its just a hollow knight sequel. Yawn.
May it continually be delayed to annoy enjoyers even more.
I kept seeing people talk up some upcoming masterpiece only referred to as 'Silksong' and kept wracking my brains wondering why I never heard of it. It's been getting hype on par with a Miyazaki title.
...and then i look it up finally and its just a hollow knight sequel. Yawn.
May it continually be delayed to annoy enjoyers even more.
joey Dubs
Gold Member
OP, I totally get what you're saying. As for me, I quite liked the art style and controls at the start but I quit it early on due to the level art design. I'd get stuck thinking I was missing something to advance, only to figure out that the room I was in had an exit. Visually, I had an almost impossible time discerning backgrounds from walls/exits. Obviously most people did not have this issue and played the game and enjoyed it. Something in my brain gave me fits about the backgrounds so I bailed.
I love reading the meltdowns and defensive statements made by people who are not mature enough to handle differing opinions about video games, though. That is always a hoot.
I love reading the meltdowns and defensive statements made by people who are not mature enough to handle differing opinions about video games, though. That is always a hoot.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Hollow Knight started the shit trend of the hit sponge bosses in Metroidvanias. Long repetitive boss fights that are basically testing how long you can go without fucking up are not fucking fun. OG Metroid and Super Metroid didn't pull that shit. It takes the really fun game and shits all over it. It is pretty awful actually.
Gonzito
Gold Member
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
For me when it comes to combat you should be able to take some damage instead of having to avoid it entirely and I think for the more challenging bosses I firmly believe for some engaging and at times cinematic fights you absolutely should be trading hits between yourself and the boss. Or at least have some engagement with your gear and abilities to either nullify or mitigate damage by engaging with a games combat and RPG systems...instead of well I gotta wait for Boss 275 to finish their rotation before I can get 2 hits in and do it all over again.
So instead of a intense fight that lasts about 1-3 minutes of trading damage you have a game of footsies anywhere between 6-8 minutes on a good day and 15+ minutes on a bad day.
It's like why in Nioh 2 yeah the Bosses can bully you but you can bully them back just as much. Which is what makes it fun.
Shifty1897
Member
I agree. It's amazing the game was made by like 3 or 4 people and it's a very good game, but I could probably name 10 Metroidvanias off the top of my head that I liked better.
Gonpachiro Kamaboko
Member
Nah bro you can't have bugs and spiders and expect your opinion to not be discarded. What are you an 8 year old boy with a mason jar? Grow up.
bender
What time is it?
I bought a physical copy of Infernax for Switch after finishing the game on Game Pass.
BossLackey
Gold Member
I can't tell if you're being serious but you have an anime avatar complaining about another man's hobby on a video game discussion board.
You look awfully small on your little high horse
bender
What time is it?
HYDE
Member
If you guys played it any longer you'd find there is an item that cancels that. Guys are showing you didn't give it long enough of a try and potentially aren't good at these kinds of games?
It feels like shit to play because of this. I hate it with every fiber of my being.
In addition the badge that allows you to see your character on the map is a design decision to handicap your ability to overpower the main character with additional strength & defense badges.
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HYDE
Member
I think people aren't skilled enough to figure out metroidvania maps or mechanics. If you didn't grow up playing them, then there's a skill level to progress through first. It's alike to SotN in which you need to grind a bit then level up to get through tough areas without dying before reaching a save point. Plus save points are hidden and unexpected encounters with bosses when you're not prepared can be frustrating. Souls-likes usually add a savepoint before a boss fight and or a smaller range before you can repeat a boss fight and try again. On top of that when you reach your souls in this game you have to fight a doppleganger of your character to get them back. This wasn't designed to be any easy game.
joey Dubs
Gold Member
joey Dubs
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Kacho
Gold Member
The Sekiro avatar makes it too perfect
HYDE
Member
What's your stance? Didn't come at anyone, just mentioned some struggle with getting into these games because they aren't designed to be easy. And your drive by post isn't kind, nor does it contribute to the discussion.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Twice i tried to play through it, both times i got bored and quit. Definitely overrated
HYDE
Member
Most aren't, damn straight
HYDE
Member
Thought you were different, easy ignore
joey Dubs
Gold Member
It is pretty clear what you said. You are probably just another difficulty and skill elitist. There are plenty to be found in the gaming community at large. The concept of people simply disliking something because it isn't for them is very hard for some people to grasp. Maybe it's...a skill issue?
rm082e
Member
Kacho
Gold Member
Maybe you're just bad at social interaction
yurqqa
Member
You choose the game to play on per capita basis?
existensmaximum
Member
You're absolutely right. To me it's just a cringey 2D Dark Souls rip-off with lots of annoying sounds.
One of few games that I dropped after only a few hours.
One of few games that I dropped after only a few hours.
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Pasta la Vista
Member
I dont even like the aesthetic. Character reminds me of funco pops and I always thought those things were hideous., never got the appeal.