dragonyeuw
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I enjoyed the time I had with it, but it also got to a point where I had played it enough. Then when I tried to pick it back up months later, I just couldn't be bothered.
Hollow Knight is incredibly overrated.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
No, and neither have I tried beating the game right after a colonoscopy while sitting upside down.
A normal playthrough of SOTN is super easy, made up challenges aren't going to change that.
John Bilbo
Member
That sounds like a speed run strategy. The game itself with it's RPG like leveling system is super easy.
NeverYouMind
Member
I don't think you understand the meaning of the term ceiling...
It is very accessible but the game lets the player choose how challenging it is. You have the choice to level up and pick up Alucard Shield and spam Shield Rod special. You also have the choice to blaze through the game with starting equipment or just play Richter. The beauty of it is every option is valid.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yeah, it's how far the game lets you take your skill when engaging with it's mechanics.
Thing is I don't think made up challenges via bugs or exploits should be taken into account, because if we do then each and every game could have it's ceiling on the moon.
Hollow Knight has actual challenging difficulty without having to engage with any glitches.
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Markio128
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I absolutely loved Super Metroid and Super Castlevania 4 on the SNES (and completed them both many times), but I can't think of a single Metroidvania game that I've ever even halfway finished due to sheer boredom and frustration. Hollow knight included.
I think the reason being is because Super Metroid and Castlevania 4 were pretty much AAA games in their era and impressed the hell out of me both visually and sonically. Now the genre is peppered with overhyped indie bollocks, hanging on to the coat tails of classics.
I think the reason being is because Super Metroid and Castlevania 4 were pretty much AAA games in their era and impressed the hell out of me both visually and sonically. Now the genre is peppered with overhyped indie bollocks, hanging on to the coat tails of classics.
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Rran
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I don't agree that there hasn't been anything good since (Ori, Hollow Knight, and most of the later Metroids are all still strong)...but I am struggling to think of a Metroidvania that I like more than Super Metroid or Super Castlevania 4 (which isn't exactly a Metroidvania but still my favorite CV game).
SCV4 is criminally underrated if you ask me. Incredible soundtrack and atmosphere all in a super-tight package with no filler. And before people start parroting that obnoxious YouTube video from like 15 years ago, just play SC4 on Hard and enjoy the challenge.
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BigBeauford
Member
It's the GOAT Metroidvania, better than even SoTN. Sorry some of you got the "cilantro tastes like soap" gene except with this genre and can't appreciate HN's greatness.
Markio128
Member
CV4's soundtrack is fantastic, no doubt about it. Every tune set the tone for each level perfectly. Tbh, SNES era music was peak for me, particularly in Konami games, with Axelay being another game with some crackers. Although the Spectrum and C64 era was also awesome for tunes mostly thanks to Rob Hubbard.
I heard so much praise for the Prince of Persia game that I happened to try when it hit PS+, but I bounced off that within an hour.
They just don't have that pull for me, neither in the music or the visual sense. Dead Cells is the only one that was half decent for me in that respect, but I just became tired of the gameplay loop. It was fun for a few hours at least.
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Fess
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It's a fantastic game but yeah it's not even close to as challenging as Hollow Knight, not bosses, enemies, platforming, exploration. Nothing.
Got to say though, the upside down castle was brilliant! There has been nothing like it. Until possibly Elden Ring but that was just a small area.
Btw I absolutely loved Order of Ecclesia! Not sure I can explain it but that's probably the Igavania I have the fondest memories of. Just superb
I'm between games, maybe I should go replay it and see if it's nostalgia or if it's worthy of my feelings. Two screens, is it playable on emulator on PC? Or available on Switch somehow? Or do I need to dig out an old DS?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Should be emulable without any issues! In fact it's one of those games that barely uses the bottom screen, so you could play it nicely even on a handheld.
In any case if you want some good ol' Igakino I recommend playing Aria of Sorrow if you haven't already.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Why do you call it HN when the abbreviation is HK?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Hollow Night, dude was thinking about his sex life.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Plays Hollow Knight on Hollow Nights and has to take a shower with Cilantro Soap.Hollow Night, dude was thinking about his sex life.
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Ahem anyone remember this? I need a port. I think we forget how good we used to have it.
Fess
Member
Awesome! Still looks good, I need to play it.
I have Aria of Sorrow but actually never played it. Might've started it but that's about it, no memories of it.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Uh you don't need an emulator for Ecclesia.
Kacho
Gold Member
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Oh man, you are in for a treat. It's my favorite of all the portable Castlevanias.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
The dream Metroidvania is one where it starts as a Simon's Quest and the 2nd half is a SotN exploring the huge castle or zone.
It's why I enjoyed Ecclesia so much. The build up to the main event was so good. Such a shame that Ecclesia's 2nd half was so shortlived and then Konami gave up on Castlevania shortly afterwards.
It's why I enjoyed Ecclesia so much. The build up to the main event was so good. Such a shame that Ecclesia's 2nd half was so shortlived and then Konami gave up on Castlevania shortly afterwards.
darrylgorn
Member
The concept and visual design is very bland, I don't know how any one actually likes the look of this chibi flash game.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
You just described the game I'm working on lol, but instead of Simon's Quest the firtst part is more like classic Zelda.
I wish more modern games did it like you described, but instead it's mostly open worlds or poorly interconnected hallways triying to mimic Dark Souls.
Fess
Member
Oh wow, trying that first then!
Now that we're recommending other games. Have you played Monsterboy and the Cursed Kingdom?
Not quite a metroidvania but close and it's absolutely fantastic.
Fess
Member
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I haven't! But damn, it looks nice. So many games and so little time lol. Adding it to my wishlist so I don't forget to check it out.
Haha no, not really a dev. Just trying to make something on my spare time. And not really a metroidvania, it's more like an adventure game but you'll get new items that unlock new areas, kinda in the same vein as Zelda... maybe metroidvania-adjacent, lmao.Wait what you're a dev? And you're making a metroidvania?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Keep us posted. Sounds interesting.
Fess
Member
OMG even cooler!
I fiddle around with Unity, been building some "virtual slice" as they say for a platformer since 2019 I think. On and off. Just to keep my chaotic brain occupied and to practice drawing animations. Every sprite is a full-sized iPad Pro drawing!
Fun project though, kids are coming up with ideas for enemies and stuff like that, wife gets to pose for action etc. I'm no real programmer though, I know the basics but not advanced programming, and it's needed even with Unity for some scripts, unfortunately
Spent last weekend just figuring out how to do blob shadows! lol
LavitzSlambert
Member
But it was the peak of the genre in 2017, and I haven't played a metroidvania nearly as good since. The gameplay itself is near perfect, both combat and platforming.
MacReady13
Member
I keep chasing the next Castlevania: Symphony of the Night yet nothing has come close to it since it's original release. Not only does it have phenomenal graphics, but the level design is perfect and it has one of the best soundtracks of all time! Plus, the secrets in it are legendary as well. Nothing comes close, so when I hear people saying Hollow Knight is the greatest Metroidvania of all time, I cringe a little inside.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Haha same here, more or less! I can code but can't do any kind of art lol, although I'm trying and it's very fun to learn new stuff like using Blender or Trenchbroom. As you say, it keeps the brain occupied but can also be damn fun, so much I've barely been playing any games since I started working on it lol.OMG even cooler!
I fiddle around with Unity, been building some "virtual slice" as they say for a platformer since 2019 I think. On and off. Just to keep my chaotic brain occupied and to practice drawing animations. Every sprite is a full-sized iPad Pro drawing!
I'm no real programmer though, I know the basics but not advanced programming, and it's needed even with Unity for some scripts, unfortunately
Wish you the best for your project! And if you ever want to discuss gamedev related stuff there's this thread lying around, although nobody posts there nowadays.
Fess
Member
Yep it's fun!
I've seen that thread, think I might've posted in it. But everybody is professional doing serious games that could soon be released, or so it seems. All I'm doing is just pure amateur level stuff tbh! I'm just a creative person with too much activity in my head that needs to come out in one way or another. And too old to have had an ADHD stamp on my forehead lol
But I've made hobby games and demos and music and art and animations since the first computer I had - Spectravideo SVI-328.
My brother is a badass coder though. But if I ask him about coding help he mostly think I'm retarded. So it's difficult!
I got the blob shadows working through raycasting though, super proud of it because I couldn't find a single guide doing exactly what I wanted to do 
(big blob under feet, jump and the blob shrinks, then goes big again when landing, and I got it working on all enemies too)
amigastar
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If i remember correctly i beat SotN with fists only which i've seen in a speed run, haven't used weapons at all.
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Due to all the hype from Silksong, I finally promoted it out of Steam backlog hell.
It's fine. The mapping system is annoying where you need to buy maps for each area and then need to hit save points for exploration to expand on them. I already had a point where I needed to blindly do through an entire area to then hit the map maker which I could have accessed if I simply drop down rather than taking a right door exit. The game has audio ques and the paper to let you know he's close. But there wasn't anything like that directing for that fork where I missed him.
I'm also not big on the dash not being a dodge. Muscle memory from so many other games has me crashing into enemies rather than avoiding attacks. And it's lacking direction or at least multiple hints on where to go. It's just look for unexplored/incomplete areas. And I've already hit the same area with block due to missing abilities or it's a route back that needs to be unlocked first.
I'll see if I make it through, but game itself is fine and a decent example of the genre. But it's no where near the best Metroidvania ever status so many people claim it to be.
It's fine. The mapping system is annoying where you need to buy maps for each area and then need to hit save points for exploration to expand on them. I already had a point where I needed to blindly do through an entire area to then hit the map maker which I could have accessed if I simply drop down rather than taking a right door exit. The game has audio ques and the paper to let you know he's close. But there wasn't anything like that directing for that fork where I missed him.
I'm also not big on the dash not being a dodge. Muscle memory from so many other games has me crashing into enemies rather than avoiding attacks. And it's lacking direction or at least multiple hints on where to go. It's just look for unexplored/incomplete areas. And I've already hit the same area with block due to missing abilities or it's a route back that needs to be unlocked first.
I'll see if I make it through, but game itself is fine and a decent example of the genre. But it's no where near the best Metroidvania ever status so many people claim it to be.
Major Insano
Member
You can cringe all you want, but if were talking about overrated games, then SotN is at the peak of discussion. The game is piss easy and can only imagine the level of challenge HK gives the player.
It's nearly 30yo,and I did enjoy it when it came out so can't be too critical, but Hollow Knight shits all over it in nearly every way. It's not even close.
So this is also true then?
You can cringe all you want, but if were talking about overrated games, then Super Metroid is at the peak of discussion. The game is piss easy and can only imagine the level of challenge HK gives the player.
It's over 30yo,and I did enjoy it when it came out so can't be too critical, but Hollow Knight shits all over it in nearly every way. It's not even close.
HK isn't even that hard. Outside of learning boss patterns the "challenge" comes from the bad mapping system and limited shortcuts. Blasphemous does the same things while not having the issues I mentioned.
Zacfoldor
Member
The classics of the genre are 2 hour long pallet cleansers best played between other, better games.
This version is a Dark Souls like full rpg that is 40 hours long. You can't get everything on the first playthrough. It isn't easy. Bosses are rock hard. Exploration is tough. You can miss major upgrades. You will get lost and stuck.
It's no surprise many hate it. Like BotW, the best is also the most hated. Also many hate soulslikes and despite its genre, hollow knight embodies a soulslike.
So the game is rather niche, like soulslikes, however, like soulslikes, the fans are very passionate. This also creates resentment in non-fans so we get threads like this, but also huge bubbles of hype for the game around the internet. Get in on the ground floor this time.
This version is a Dark Souls like full rpg that is 40 hours long. You can't get everything on the first playthrough. It isn't easy. Bosses are rock hard. Exploration is tough. You can miss major upgrades. You will get lost and stuck.
It's no surprise many hate it. Like BotW, the best is also the most hated. Also many hate soulslikes and despite its genre, hollow knight embodies a soulslike.
So the game is rather niche, like soulslikes, however, like soulslikes, the fans are very passionate. This also creates resentment in non-fans so we get threads like this, but also huge bubbles of hype for the game around the internet. Get in on the ground floor this time.
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Major Insano
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Yeah, pretty much.
Blasphemous was hard, mainly because of the jankier combat animations and obscure quests parameters.
I've enjoyed all four games over multiple playthroughs.
Hollow Knight is by far the hardest and higher skill level if you want to 100%(112%
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Zacfoldor
Member
Let us just take a moment to remember who is in the minority here.
Steam ratings are overwhelmingly positive, both recent and long term.
100 player rating opencritic
9.1 user score on metacritic
This is an "any metric" game. You can't compete with it. It is just loved.
but yall gonna get on here and talk about some fucking dead cells?
You know what gaf hates more than soulslikes? Roguelites.
Why? Because they are hard too.
We don't play the game because it is easy, we play it because it is hard.
Back in the far distant past there was a time when I considered SotN difficult. Now I'm the Elden Lord. You can try to debase and gaslight fans of this game all you won't but it won't work. They are Elden Lords too. All fans of this game are Elden Lords, that is why you lose Highlander.
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Steam ratings are overwhelmingly positive, both recent and long term.
100 player rating opencritic
9.1 user score on metacritic
This is an "any metric" game. You can't compete with it. It is just loved.
but yall gonna get on here and talk about some fucking dead cells?
You know what gaf hates more than soulslikes? Roguelites.
Why? Because they are hard too.
We don't play the game because it is easy, we play it because it is hard.
Back in the far distant past there was a time when I considered SotN difficult. Now I'm the Elden Lord. You can try to debase and gaslight fans of this game all you won't but it won't work. They are Elden Lords too. All fans of this game are Elden Lords, that is why you lose Highlander.
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Elden Lords? Are those the people that are always talking about Maidens but seem to overwhelmingly be in the #foreveralone camp?Let us just take a moment to remember who is in the minority here.
Steam ratings are overwhelmingly positive, both recent and long term.
100 player rating opencritic
9.1 user score on metacritic
This is an "any metric" game. You can't compete with it. It is just loved.
but yall gonna get on here and talk about some fucking dead cells?
You know what gaf hates more than soulslikes? Roguelites.
Why? Because they are hard too.
We don't play the game because it is easy, we play it because it is hard.
Back in the far distant past there was a time when I considered SotN difficult. Now I'm the Elden Lord. You can try to debase and gaslight fans of this game all you won't but it won't work. They are Elden Lords too. All fans of this game are Elden Lords, that is why you lose Highlander.
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
That's one game I had such a pain in the bum getting hold of a boxed copy back then and as soon as I did, it was everywhere, for cheaper!
Great game though.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I don't think it's overrated, it's a great game. Most people agree with that. Once you get to great, just how great it is really isn't as meaningful. Once someone considers it great it's just a matter of where they are going to rank it within that tier.
MacReady13
Member
Fucking spare me. Challenge is the only determining factor for a great game now is it? HK should never be mentioned in the same breath as SOTN. It's not fit to lace its boots. SOTN has some of the best level design in a game, ever! It has one of the greatest soundtracks of all time and is a stunningly gorgeous game as well. SOTN is regarded as one of the all time greatest ever, and practically invented a genre (along with Metroid, hence the MetroidVANIA name).
So please, pick on different games if you like, but don't pick on one of the GOATS in SOTN and NEVER compare the 2. HK isn't close.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
The fact he based this character off Tom Cruise is terrifying.
SaiyanRaoh
Member
EDIT: Just played through the Shinobi Art of Vengeance demo. Even that is better than Hollow Knight. Can't wait to start on this one tomorrow.
Hollow Knight, Outer Wilds and Return of the Obra Dinn are in the garbage pile of Overrated slop in my opinion. I LOVE metroidvanias but I just can with this one. Like the other games I mentioned, I have started and restarted it so many times over the years and it doesn't even have a pulse. Someone earlier in the thread wanted three examples of games HK haters thought were better metroidvanias. I'll name twenty off top.
SOTN
Dead Cells
BOTH Ori's
Bloodstained
ANY and ALL dozen or so Iga Castlevania games.
Axiom Verge
Blasphemous
Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom.
Guns of Fury
Hollow Knight, Outer Wilds and Return of the Obra Dinn are in the garbage pile of Overrated slop in my opinion. I LOVE metroidvanias but I just can with this one. Like the other games I mentioned, I have started and restarted it so many times over the years and it doesn't even have a pulse. Someone earlier in the thread wanted three examples of games HK haters thought were better metroidvanias. I'll name twenty off top.
SOTN
Dead Cells
BOTH Ori's
Bloodstained
ANY and ALL dozen or so Iga Castlevania games.
Axiom Verge
Blasphemous
Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom.
Guns of Fury
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