iNvid02
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yeah i typed it wrong
i meant renting it digitally from somewhere like itunes should cost the same as a ticket
buying it from somewhere like itunes should be closer to the price of a blu ray
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Hollywood regroups after losing battle over anti-piracy bills
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yeah i typed it wrong
i meant renting it digitally from somewhere like itunes should cost the same as a ticket
buying it from somewhere like itunes should be closer to the price of a blu ray
Why can't these movies studios create a Netflix, Hulu, or iTunes type store with all their movies/tv shows on it?
Maybe create a basic subscription rate for older movies and charge $1.99 to watch a new release. After 6 months or so put that movie in the old section for subscribers.
Then put all behind the scenes stuff up with ads is fine so viewers can watch how the movies were made for free.
The business model of releasing movies in theaters and then 4 months later on bluray/dvd isn't attractive to users anymore. We have to drive to the theater and deal with a bunch of bull shit to watch a movie. Friday night I went to see Underworld 4 and the speakers started to pop at one point during the movie. Then the lights randomly came on in the middle of the movie killing the immersion the theater is supposed to provide.
Then I have to order a blu ray which costs 20+ dollars and can't even skip the opening previews. I wont be buying Underworld 4 if you're wondering
In an age where we can access things faster than ever you would think movie studios would have jumped on this ship a long time ago.
With the way technology is going people are able to make their own movies with decent quality. Not only will they be combating piracy, but the average joe with a camera willing to put his movie online for free.
Maybe create a basic subscription rate for older movies and charge $1.99 to watch a new release. After 6 months or so put that movie in the old section for subscribers.
Then put all behind the scenes stuff up with ads is fine so viewers can watch how the movies were made for free.
The business model of releasing movies in theaters and then 4 months later on bluray/dvd isn't attractive to users anymore. We have to drive to the theater and deal with a bunch of bull shit to watch a movie. Friday night I went to see Underworld 4 and the speakers started to pop at one point during the movie. Then the lights randomly came on in the middle of the movie killing the immersion the theater is supposed to provide.
Then I have to order a blu ray which costs 20+ dollars and can't even skip the opening previews. I wont be buying Underworld 4 if you're wondering
In an age where we can access things faster than ever you would think movie studios would have jumped on this ship a long time ago.
With the way technology is going people are able to make their own movies with decent quality. Not only will they be combating piracy, but the average joe with a camera willing to put his movie online for free.
You know in the age of huge HDTVs and surround sound do cinemas even really have a place anymore? Going to the theatre is just never a better experience than your own living room anymore. If Hollywood wised up and did let us rent movies on iTunes day one for the price of a ticket they would make more money.
bigtroyjon
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[Nintex];34470242 said:
Average American doesn't exist. Cost of living in California or New York where most of the jobs reside is higher than the average American cost of living.
I think the porn piracy problem is also overblown.
The real problem the porn industry has is that anyone can make porn and they do. Every single professional porn studio could close overnight and magically strip all of their content from the web and there would still be enough gonzo and webcam chat shit to keep everyone going.
There's nothing special about filming people fuck any more. The real money is in communities now. People will pay you once (if ever) to strip your site with downthemall, but they'll stay subbed if they can engage with your models and each other. You can't pirate that.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I don't see how that combats piracy at all, given the choice between paying for shit, and not paying for shit you're still going to see large numbers go with not paying. It may reduce the numbers by a small amount, but it's certainly not going to make much of a dent in the numbers pirating stuff.
entremet
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Still something exciting about going to the cinema for me. Living room ain't the same.
Ironically, I'd say online piracy has even helped that.
Before the internet, you missed an episode of a show you were following and WELP, too bad. Wait for a rerun or just keep watching knowing that you may have missed some important stuff. It was easy to drop a serialized show because of this.
Then the internet comes along and, oh, you missed this week's episode of Lost? You didn't have to choose between dropping the show or watching next week's episode and wondering why this guy's dead. You had a third option. Before legal solutions like Hulu came around, I'm sure a lot of people resorted to this with that kind of show, and so those shows retained viewers that they previously would have lost.
So thanks in part to piracy (and also DVRs and DVD seasons, and later, legal internet streaming), serialized TV shows became more viable than before.
perfectnight
Banned
"We don't understand technology and refuse to adapt so we'll do the best we can to destroy it."
Gonna keep calling my state reps every time some old dipshit wants to fuck with the Internet. We can't let their ignorance win.
Gonna keep calling my state reps every time some old dipshit wants to fuck with the Internet. We can't let their ignorance win.
You're never going to stop piracy anyway, but this would give them another revenue stream and make it easier for customers to get their content. I'm sure the average pirate wouldn't mind using something like this instead of searching through torrents on the pirate bay trying to figure out which one is decent quality. You can never get an accurate number on piracy and the MPAA is always going to hyperbole the numbers.
No self-contained TV has the same feeling as having the majority of your field of vision taken up. Tech-wise and even money-wise, the cinema definitely has a place. It's just that theaters have allowed everything else to suck.
WorriedCitizen
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Without piracy i wouldn't be able to enjoy shows like Boardwalk, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Sopranos etc.
They come out here a year or later (if at all) with shitty dubs late night on some niche channels. Mad Men only has 80k viewers in Germany for christ sake!
What they need to do is rethink their buisness model. I would gladly pay a fair priced monthly fee for an online servive that lets me download and stream shows and movies in the same quality and at the same time when it's available for Americans or whereever else it's aired first.
They need to face the fact that we live in a world now where all parts of Earth are connected. Treating people like second class customers because they happen to live on the wrong part of the world doesn't work anymore.
They come out here a year or later (if at all) with shitty dubs late night on some niche channels. Mad Men only has 80k viewers in Germany for christ sake!
What they need to do is rethink their buisness model. I would gladly pay a fair priced monthly fee for an online servive that lets me download and stream shows and movies in the same quality and at the same time when it's available for Americans or whereever else it's aired first.
They need to face the fact that we live in a world now where all parts of Earth are connected. Treating people like second class customers because they happen to live on the wrong part of the world doesn't work anymore.
perfectnight
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Also, +1 to Chris Dodd being a piece of shit.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
SOPA & PIPA were just bad legislation. But ACTA is something ripped straight out of Satan's asshole. Evil in written form.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
The problem for consumers is that Hollywood, and a large majority of various content creation industies are not going to ever accept that, they've been combating piracy since the days of counterfeit VHS tapes and home-taped cassettes and will continue to do so for as long as the number of pirates involved is significant enough for them to justify doing so, and in the end it's the consumers who are stuck in the middle that are collateral damage.
If people want to see less restrictive actions taken they need to understand that everytime they justify Piracy for whatever reasons they support Piracy in the eyes of those that are fighting them, and therefore their views on the subject are dismissed as insignificant by those that seek methods to solve the problem.
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Well I'm quite certain that from the people I know, hardly anyone would still bother to go to the cinema if you could just watch everything at home. And the IMAXs in my region closed down already even though their experience should be the "piracy safest".
Yea, you're right. This battle will wage on forever more than likely. I was just trying to throw out an idea that could help the studios and customers. They will probably never adapt and just keep throwing money into legislation trying to get shit like SOPA/PIPA passed.
Tizoc
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Could you elaborate on this please?
Cinemas suck, people talking, cell phones, babies, expensive "food", annoying teenagers who won't shut the fuck up, the bastard who already saw the movie and explains it to his stupid friend/girlfriend...
Yeah, kill the cinemas, that's why I have a nice setup at home, so I don't have to go to that infernal place.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
You can find info about ACTA online. When I first read it I kept saying to myself no way in hell this shit is real ;c
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
This, only reason I go to the movies now is because I don't want to wait for the blu-ray release. If I could buy/rent it day one I would. I have a 100" projector and surround sound with lossless audio. I can give a fuck about the theaters.
Tizoc
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Cinemas suck, people talking, cell phones, babies, expensive "food", annoying teenagers who won't shut the fuck up, the bastard who already saw the movie and explains it to his stupid friend/girlfriend...
Yeah, kill the cinemas, that's why I have a nice setup at home, so I don't have to go to that infernal place.
Haha thanks for that. I've always thought that Piracy was a form of theft, but that's been cleared up now.
...and sorry for asking this, but what does illegaly owning product from someone or a group known as?
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uploading copyrighted material is copyright infringement. i believe downloading it is legal. when torrenting you do both so thats illegal
I think that $55,000/year figure is hilarious. I'm not defending piracy, but why the FUCK would you use an argument like "well, a bunch of us out here have to live on $55,000 a year for Pete's sake!"? It's really insulting for...well...the grand majority of everyone on planet Earth who do not even make 75% of the lower rungs of Hollywood.
If you're for this bill, fine. But don't bring up shit like how "little" some people in Hollywood make when (a) that figure is still much more than most people make and (b) compensation is irrelevant to this discussion to begin with. It just shows how out of touch they, like many politicians, are out of touch with reality.
If you're for this bill, fine. But don't bring up shit like how "little" some people in Hollywood make when (a) that figure is still much more than most people make and (b) compensation is irrelevant to this discussion to begin with. It just shows how out of touch they, like many politicians, are out of touch with reality.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Of course this is just a matter of semantics, when people refer to Piracy as theft they do not mean theft of the item itself, but rather the theft of the money taken from the creator/distributor for usage of the product that is copied without recompense.
It's true that not every copy of a pirated good is a lost sale, however it is also true some pirated copies are a lost sale, overall the pirate has taken something from the creator/distributor and failed to pay for it, that is what is meant by piracy is theft.
Good Job Bob
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Kill the cinemas?Cinemas suck, people talking, cell phones, babies, expensive "food", annoying teenagers who won't shut the fuck up, the bastard who already saw the movie and explains it to his stupid friend/girlfriend...
Yeah, kill the cinemas, that's why I have a nice setup at home, so I don't have to go to that infernal place.
What about the vast majority of people who can't afford awesome home theater rooms with pimped out surround sound and a massive projector screen?
Going to the cinema IS a better experience.. the only exception is if the audience is packed with assholes and kids, but fortunately that hasn't been my experience most of the time.
At the cinema you turn you phone off. The entire room goes dark. The movie is all there is. There are no interruptions. You're not checking your text messages, you're not pausing the movie to go to the bathroom or to go get a glass of water.
It's an event. Going to the cinema on day 1 of Fellowship Of The Ring or Avatar is something you remember, something you talk about with people. You stand in line, you see people you know, the excitement builds up when you get into your seats and wait for the lights to dim. When you come out of the cinema you might be disappointed, or as in the case of the above mentioned movies, feel like you've just witnessed cinematic history.
You need an absolutely incredible home-cinema if it's going to top going to an actual cinema for me. And that's not something 98% of people can afford or have the know-how to set up.
GF is a movieholic, that's why I still go from time to time, the experience always suck, no matter what time I always ancounter annoying people, having a nice theater setup at home convince her sometimes to wait for the BD release...
Chuck (Old)
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Tizoc
Member
Ah thanks.
This is true. Serialized TV has taken off in large part because of On-Demand viewing, legal online streaming, and (yes) piracy. Back in the 90s, shows like Twin Peaks never had a chance to retain their audience (though it would have helped if that show didn't go off the rails a few episodes into the second season).
Yep. I love going to the movies -- or I would, if it weren't for other people.
If I were a millionaire, I would buy every seat in the theater whenever I wanted to see a movie. I would also be broke within months for being an idiot with my money.
JimmyRustler
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How about stop giving Tom Cruise 50 Mill. for his next movie and distribute the saved money to all people involved in making the movie? Problem solved.
BoboBrazil
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Chris Dodd said:
This is hilarious considering the bullshit figures that they have continually spit out which have been found to be false and they have even admitted so in some instances after the fact that they have gotten laws passed using them. And sorry if I don't feel bad for the person making $55,000 a year when the average HOUSEHOLD income in America is $40,000.
I'd like to see you put in a situation where you have the money, but the product you want to buy will never be available where you live, what would you do?
Make their shit more accessible. If people have an easy way to view your content then you don't have to worry about them pirating it.
Why do studios still only allow one episode of their shows to be online at a time? Put it all online with ads. People will watch and they'll make money off of it. They would probably make a lot more money this way instead of worrying about selling DVD's of the shows.
Why do studios still only allow one episode of their shows to be online at a time? Put it all online with ads. People will watch and they'll make money off of it. They would probably make a lot more money this way instead of worrying about selling DVD's of the shows.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
I'm a movieholic too, that's why I go. I used to always do the Tuesday matinee at my local theater and loved it. $5, no one else was there, and I got to see the movie a week or 2 after release. Then the word spread and people started showing up and I realized how much I fucking hated the movies
Dreams-Visions
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Actually, the rise of the "reality show" (those shows with no real actors, from The Real World to American Idol) is a direct reflection of the tightening Hollywood purse strings. They don't want to pay writers and real actors. Especially now with so many channels to choose from.
(note: not because of piracy, but because of shrinking market share and related revenues)
There's still a very significant difference between taking something and not giving something.
If you define theft by the creator not receiving compensation when a customer buys a product, than buying a used product would also be considered theft.
I can safely say the most movie theatres > your home theatre.
Buddha Beam
Banned
That whole article reads like a PR attempt, to me. Never mind that so many of those non-executive people see almost none of the profits Hollywood rakes in. Oh no, they only make $55k per year. Poor Malcolm McDowell and his indie film... *sniffle* Look at what you internet using monsters have wrought upon us all!
Hollywood needs to accept that their model is old and dead, and that new ways of distributing their content is needed.
Hollywood needs to accept that their model is old and dead, and that new ways of distributing their content is needed.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I'm sorry but there's plenty of evidence that this just isn't true, there are plenty of older shows that are available on iTunes or other services in most territories that are still widely pirated. Availability is an issue only for a very small number of those that pirate, price is the number one concern and given a choice between paying and not paying, even for cheap items the majority of pirates just won't pay.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Not in my case, but probably true for most.
JimmyRustler
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Not in terms of picture quality. The picture resolution just isn't high enough in theaters today to match a 1080p picture on your home HDTV.
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