When did I say people cared about that? I just said people don't want to pay for entertainment, or at the very least, today's prices are far too much for people.
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Hollywood regroups after losing battle over anti-piracy bills
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When did I say people cared about that? I just said people don't want to pay for entertainment, or at the very least, today's prices are far too much for people.
Dragoon En Regalia
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I smell war from the future, and it smells like bacon on a Sunday morning. Yummy stuff for "mankind".
No because when you are buying a used anything you are not buying the work of the creator. You are buying the sellers property. The creator has no legal right over the product he sold.
Piracy is stealing. Selling used whatever is not.
Dreams-Visions
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who thinks entertainment should be free? we're paying $10-$20 for each movie ticket, $70+ for every cable/DirecTV subscription package (plus more for premium channels), enduring 30%-40% of show airtime being dedicated commercials, and in some cases buying (or re-buying) our favorite shows on DVD-->BD-->iTunes-->whatever.
"free" really doesn't exist. It's a question of profit margins at this point.
Hollywood will be looking to redefine that or otherwise, change how content is distributed to keep you from ever owning a copy. Hollywood would prefer your living room be an extension of the movie theater or a glorified rental station, rather than you being able to own copies of anything.
Oh, there was once an attempt to do that. A huge backer was Garth Brooks, just for one example.
The selling-used argument had its heyday in congress already
1080p. Math is hard..for me.
Dreams-Visions
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they will try again. the legalese will only more complicated and make it more and more difficult to actually own content. tbh, they act like they don't want more internet power, but in truth they can't wait for faster internet to become the standard. the moment digital distro as a primary means of selling content is viable, physical copies of film and tv will dry up like a desert river.
and we all know that if the gaming industry will be doing their best over the next decade to kill off the used market via digital distribution.
Monster Cables already threatened that they will shutdown Craigslist with SOPA and PIPA because people are selling their used products there
Here's an article: http://www.boanow.com/craigslist-a-rogue-site-for-blacklisting-and-takedown-under-pipa/
The universe of LA and NYC where most of the industry is?
Is Monster cable going after CL becuase they are selling used products or because they facilitate the selling of stolen products, which CL totally does.
This is an example of erroneous reading of SOPA, not that used sales are the same as piracy.
Considering how many people, even some in this thread consider netflix the future, they might not be wrong thinking that. That could be exactly what people want.
JerzeyDevil
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Seriously. 55k is like 30k more than the average American makes in a year.
Cry me a river. It's not like ticket prices have been out of control since the 90s or anything either, before highspeed internet was a thing...
Dreams-Visions
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equation is:
the square root of the resolution width^2 + resolution height ^2 (Pythagorean)
^ that number divided by the horizontal inches.
your screen is 20.02 PPI (pixels per inch).
now, your average IMAX screen is 72ft x 58ft, and again with Pythagorean, that means the diagonal measure is 92ft, or 1104 inches, diagonally.
that means @ the largest version of 4K (3996 × 2160), the screen is 4.11 PPI. But it doesn't look as bad as it sounds because you sit a great distance from the screen, which helps compensate.
Note: that same 4K--were it on your 110" screen, would be 41.29 PPI. that's roughly the same PPI of 1080p on a 52" screen (42.36 PPI). and 4K on a 52" screen is around 82 PPI. and yes, you'd see the difference in sharpness. consider that 50" @ SD resolutions (640x480) is 26PPI. So the jump from HD to 4K should in some ways feel analgous to the jump from SD to HD. on paper, the jump is even higher than that.
young junior, you do no favors to your title. I'll simply say this:
"Location, location, location". If you don't understand what that means and why it matters in a discussion involving cost of living in Southern California, you'll need to further your education before we can talk more.
most people don't want to surrender their ability to ever own hard copies of things, but yes that opinion could change over time.
I certainly don't mind not owning physical copies of my Steam games...but I've never been one to resell my stuff either.
Dreams-Visions
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it's not. but it's certainly not bad. more than what most teachers with tenure are making.
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.
QuiteWhittle
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55k is impressive now? It's barely above average for those with Bachelor's degrees.
Edit: Oh, someone asked the same question. Didn't refresh the page.
Edit: Oh, someone asked the same question. Didn't refresh the page.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
These dinosaurs will never try to adapt to the new market. They will cling to their old ways for as along as they can.
DR2K
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Sure you will. lol
Dreams-Visions
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Incorrect. They're doing multiple things at once. Don't for a second think they're not fighting this while at the same time laying their foundation for a digital distribution-only future.
they didn't become that large by being stupid.
It depends on, again, the location and cost of living. 55k is most likely an average.
Most BA graduates working in an entry-level position at a large talent agency will make $12.50 an hour with no overtime, and will work 10 1/2 hour days. Ends up being a little over 30k.
Out of curiousity, how is the entire porn business going to hell? I'm just an occasional observer, but things seem pretty healthy.
I think much of their piracy is from overseas, many times in markets where the show or movie just isn't available.
I live in Japan now. Before I moved here, I never downloaded movies. Movies here cost $26 per ticket and has Japanese subtitles. Bluray releases cost upwards of $50 a pop and are region coded.
Sorry but that is too high and the length of time I have to wait compared to US releases is crazy.
Plus I deploy a lot. I need digitally movable versions without DRM and without requiring Internet access to use.
I live in Japan now. Before I moved here, I never downloaded movies. Movies here cost $26 per ticket and has Japanese subtitles. Bluray releases cost upwards of $50 a pop and are region coded.
Sorry but that is too high and the length of time I have to wait compared to US releases is crazy.
Plus I deploy a lot. I need digitally movable versions without DRM and without requiring Internet access to use.
More importantly, you see lots of movies still make lots of profit. But the way they decide to split up the funds leaves the workers lower on the chain with smaller salaries.
The heads of a local California college were complaining that education funds were cut, that they cannot afford anything anymore, blah blah. Then news broke of multiple heads getting 10-15% pay raises on top of their six figure salaries at the beginning of that year. Hollywood makes lots of money, but the their profits probably aren't increasing at the rate needed to continue to increase the money the higher ups make. They also are not using the Internet and making new business models to fit the new technology.
And they wonder why techies don't give a fuck about them. My gf was telling me about a pro sopa commercial that showed kids working in a sweatshop to make ends meet due to the lack of such a bill. Such horseshit
eudaemonic
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Meanwhile, the day after the protests they take down Megaupload - a website that hosts illegal copies - the same type of activity SOPA/PIPA means to curb (but in a questionable way) - after a two year investigation.
Shit doesn't appear to be broken if they want to go after sites. Their problem is they want it all and they want it now. Well fuck um. Give the offenders due process. So sorry you need to build a case and can't stomp your feet to get your way. Ugh.
Shit doesn't appear to be broken if they want to go after sites. Their problem is they want it all and they want it now. Well fuck um. Give the offenders due process. So sorry you need to build a case and can't stomp your feet to get your way. Ugh.
dragonelite
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Do projectors even use pixels?
Wiki says something about light intensity what is more important?
Maybe. It's quite a different experience watching the movie in the cinema though. Of course you could pay thousands trying to replicate it, but not everyone is going to do that.
TheChewyWaffles
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Tell that to iTunes. Piracy is a service problem, not a pricing one.
FUCK YOU.
He basically just said The Shield > Greatest communications medium in the history of mankind. Seriously. That's what he said. We are supposed to just roll over and lose some of our rights of speech and how we can conduct commerce because these fuckers say so? This is how the world works now?
He's so bitter that SOPA/PIPA failed that he would rather see free speech even further squandered in the name of restoring "lost" Hollywood/TV show revenues THAT YOU CANNOT PROVE WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN MADE IF THERE WAS NO INTERNET PIRACY.
We are truly in the era of perverse corporate oversight over all aspects of life. Piracy has ALWAYS existed -- yes, even before people knew what the Internet was! Think about friends/family/neighbors/co-workers copying VHS tapes for each other? Copying tape to tape and even CD to tape? Taping things off OTA, cable, pay per view, radio? Descrambling devices and businesses? Overseas piracy operations that sold VHS/CD/DVD's? All of this happened, for at least two decades. But it couldn't be tracked. Their arguements for needing to push SOPA/PIPA through are childish and out of touch with reality.
After the raid of Megaupload, all similar upload services are COLLAPSING as we speak; voluntarily blocking all US IP addresses or simply shutting down -- it is more than enough proof that we don't even need SOPA/PIPA to address foreign Internet piracy. We have legislation in place to aggressively pursue piracy. What we don't have in place is legislation that lets the corporate pigs in Hollywood and Washington literally own the Internet. That's all SOPA/PIPA ever was -- a trojan horse. Anyone who thinks otherwise is severely misguided, or have their pockets lined with gold from lobbyists.
If these clowns would get their act together and start to divorce themselves from a decaying zombie business model (i.e. traditional cable) they would probably make more money. FOR EXAMPLE, when a new episode of Dexter airs, if someone is paying for Amazon/Netflux/Hulu/whatever -- MAKE IT AVAILABLE. Even if you charge $1 an ep. Make it available. This is the future of television and Hollywood still being stuck in 1995 is extremely disruptive to the evolving trends and habits of entertainment commerce.
You need to read Shawn Ryan's twitter. He has not stated if he is pro-SOPA or PIPA and that he's doing more research on the subject. In fact, his position has seemed to consolidate that SOPA/PIPA are not the answers but that he is still very cautious of the effect that piracy can have on his work as an artist.
Ryan is upset about the fact that he needs to work within the current model because there is no other viable option (no, the Louis CK model is not a viable model for what Ryan wants to do). He's, first and foremost, concerned about his ability to continue to do what he loves - his job. Let's be honest, copying VHS tapes is a much bigger pain in the ass then googling "Free Terriers Episodes" and streaming something on some format. To do what he loves and to continue to employ people he works with, he needs to work within the current business model. And he seems piracy as one of the many threats to him as an artist. And I agree with him - I do think piracy is a legitimate threat to the current television business model. But I also see the business model as irreparably damaged and in need of a serious reset. He doesn't necessarily see it the same way because he has current projects that he's making now.
It's rediculous for the entertainment industry to try and lobby for laws to "stop piracy." Online piracy itself is an ethereal concept in itself, just like terrorism. Anyone has the ability to do it, and there is no way to stop an idea without total oppression. Honestly the only solution I can see is to stop selling physical copies of media products, and require them to be streamed with a license. The fatal flaw in that is convincing people that they cant own a physical copy, which will not happen.
When it comes down to it, downloading is no different than dubbing a tape back in the day.
When it comes down to it, downloading is no different than dubbing a tape back in the day.
That wouldn't prevent piracy. When it comes down to it, you actually need to be able to let people see it. And if people can see it, people can record it.
Very valid point. Perhaps they just need to narrow the list of places you can access content to help Target unautorized usage. As I said it was the only way I could think of.
My point wasn't to make a solution. But to point out that trying to combat piracy is essentially fighting an idea.
Vincent Alexander
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Jesus. Calm down, buddy. Read a bit more of what Shawn is actually talking about.
I'm so tired of hearing about SOPA. It's been turned into this giant monster in the closet, and it isn't. Not anymore. It's already a neutered version of what it used to be, and will become even more watered down from here on out. Not saying we should stop paying attention, but time to focus on other things. This battle seems over for now.
Just an interesting point, this is completely unavoidable for music, movies, and television, but doesn't seem to be the case for games. I guess you could make a more esoteric argument that is machine code is run on a processor, you could theoretically capture that code, but even then it becomes practically impossible.
Fuck DRM, though.
Which is why the only real answer, I think, is the Steam solution of treating piracy as a competitor. You're never going to totally eliminate piracy without destroying the internet and trampling on people's rights. These companies need to find ways to make getting their content so convenient that people would pay for it rather than pirate.
Awesome. So I do have IMAX beat then. Suck it, IMAX. Though most large home TV's have me beat. I still have the wow factor over those people though.
Sadly, in less than 2 months I'll have to say goodbye to my theater. Will be a while before I can build one in the next house.
Thanks for the math.
Good Job Bob
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Have you ever been to a real IMAX dude.
You might think you have tem beat, but you just don't.
CornBurrito
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You know, it could always be both.
Ya, IMAX is pretty amazing. Used to go as a kid to see all the cool science/nature movies at the IMAX in LA. Saw one of the Harry Potter movies there and was blown away though I didn't like having to turn my head to see everything that was going on.
I still would rather watch it at home though..
Raise the monthly price if Netflix and other subscription based streaming sites and put your newer films on their sooner. I wouldn't mind paying 12-14 dollars(currently pay 8) a month for netflix if I was able to watch a movie that was released in theaters just 3-4 months prior.
Maybe fake IMAX, but not real IMAX. Real IMAX is shot on horizontal 70mm film, which has 8.3 times more surface area per frame than standard 35mm film.
From what I've read, fake IMAX isn't even a full 4K.
What I found most disturbing in this is Dodd's statement. Which is all the more troubling since he's a former Senator.
Either he actually doesn't grasp the nuance of how far-reaching certain portions of the bill were ... and how it could easily end up damaging or destroying sites that have done nothing wrong.
He doesn't actually care, and is in fact opening stating that their only failure was not adequately pulling the wool over constituents eyes.
I'm not sure which is worse or scarier ... but either possibility is ridiculous.
Either he actually doesn't grasp the nuance of how far-reaching certain portions of the bill were ... and how it could easily end up damaging or destroying sites that have done nothing wrong.
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He doesn't actually care, and is in fact opening stating that their only failure was not adequately pulling the wool over constituents eyes.
I'm not sure which is worse or scarier ... but either possibility is ridiculous.
Escape Goat
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They need a slogan like "Don't copy that floppy"
timetokill
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This is a great example of completely missing the point.
Plenty of people still pirate music.
But it's so much easier to use iTunes. Even easier to use Spotify.
No offense, but if you're suggesting piracy should be arbitrarily deemed 'okay' based on a subjective review of its quality ... I don't think you're going to get much sympathy.
I'm not saying I agree, but I'm confused why you haven't included physical media on the list.
Well they are starting to move in that direction with Ultra Violet, but if it ever becomes successful ... I suspect it will take a while to get it into a good state.
Also, the occasional movie is actually available via VOD while still in theaters (sometimes even before). It's a very small portion, but it's growing as they continue to experiment. They're trying to find the best timing and price-point.
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