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[neutralgamer02]

55k is impressive now? It's barely above average for those with Bachelor's degrees.

Edit: Oh, someone asked the same question. Didn't refresh the page.

It kind of is. 75% of Americans make less than 50k. It doesn't really matter region wise either. The 25% of people who make more than 50K don't all live in high priced areas.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457159&highlight=

Edit: This data is before the recession, so it is definitely worse.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Petition to investigate Chris Dodd and the MPAA over bribery and threats

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...icly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv

If it gets 25,000 signatures the whitehouse has to respond.

 

[StopMakingSense]

It's all hilarious because the industry in Hollywood, in itself, was built on an act of IP theft. (Farthest location from the MPPC, Edison's motion picture trust)

 

[Kanyon]

Don't be complete assholes. If I buy a movie I want to own it.

I want to be able to play it all my devices today and tomorrow and I want it to work when the company I bought it from goes belly up.

I couldn't agree more with this. Nothing shits me more when I plonk down my hard earned cash for some content to find that Content A doesn't work with Device B and so on, due to draconian DRM that's implemented by the content holders.

I buy a Bluray, I purchased it so why can't I watch it on the device of my choosing? I've already paid for it so why am I restricted in what form I wish to watch my paid content? That's my beef with this whole thing.

 

[Raistlin]

Average American doesn't exist. Cost of living in California or New York where most of the jobs reside is higher than the average American cost of living.

Is this a joke post or no?

I hope so.

Going to the cinema IS a better experience..

That's debatable ... and entirely dependent on what sort of home theater and what sort of cinema you are comparing.

Uhh, movie theaters output at a higher resolution than your home theater. Especially IMAX and 4k theaters.

Sure, but what percentage of theaters are IMAX or 4k? It's an insignificant amount. Hell most people don't even regularly see movies on digital projectors. Instead they're seeing beat up film projectors that range from terrible to decent calibration levels. And many times the actual physical film quality is compromised by the time they see it.

Regardless the point is even if these lesser screens that make up the vast majority of theater experiences actually still have greater than 1080p resolution ... the subject clarity is inferior to a TV due to ridiculously larger viewing arc per picture element.



That said, plenty of people are willing to give up the subjective clarity in order to experience the dramatically larger portion of their field of view being filled. But certainly it has had an impact on viewership.

 

[Black-Box]

Not that I'm an expert but TV-shows just seemed to get better and better over the last decade.

what tv are you watching, good shows are getting canned for bad shows like x-factor

 

[Raistlin]

So? The resolution isn't high enough for theaters. I watched MI4 in IMAX couple of weeks ago and was very dispointed. The 1080p picture on my 40" HDTV is much more crisp than the one I saw in the theater.

To be fair, only approximately 30 minutes of the film was actually shot on IMAX film. The rest was traditional 35mm.

As a matter of dpi, your 1080p home screen will look sharper, richer and better than 4K at the theater. Or, it certainly can with a good TV.

dpi in itself is not the issue. It's viewing arc per element.

Do projectors even use pixels?
Wiki says something about light intensity what is more important?

Film projectors (ie. non-digital)? No. However there are estimates for what its resolution approximates to ... assuming conventional projection stock and a calibrated picture (that latter is typically not the case though).

 

[Raistlin]

Awesome. So I do have IMAX beat then. Suck it, IMAX. Though most large home TV's have me beat. I still have the wow factor over those people though.

Sadly, in less than 2 months I'll have to say goodbye to my theater. Will be a while before I can build one in the next house.

Thanks for the math.

Not necessarily. You'd need to then calculate your actual viewing arc per picture element and compare it to where you'd typically sit in a theater.


Then regardless of the result, you'd need to consider how you'd weigh the subjective differences in the experience including audio, field of view percentage, etc.

 

[Black-Box]

why can't they just work out a better deal with Netflix, like even if Netflix raises prices like $5 or $10 I would still pay to be able to watch nearly any movie out there.

 

[DarkFlow]

Excuse me but I have a question for you...
Why I can't create a thread in this forum please??

Because your a junior with 32 posts. You need 300 and 6 months to do that.

 

[Raistlin]

why can't they just work out a better deal with Netflix, like even if Netflix raises prices like $5 or $10 I would still pay to be able to watch nearly any movie out there.

You honestly think the studios value their IP that low?

 

[AVclub]

Because your a junior with 32 posts. You need 300 and 6 months to do that.

Oh yeah, then why can't I make threads?

On topic though; It drives me nuts when Hollywood claims that the film's custodial staff who make $50k a year is somehow impacted by piracy. Once their job is done, it doesn't matter to them how many dollars a movie makes. Nobody's ever going to say "that movie bombed because of the janitor!"

 

[BoboBrazil]

On topic though; It drives me nuts when Hollywood claims that the film's custodial staff who make $50k a year is somehow impacted by piracy. Once their job is done, it doesn't matter to them how many dollars a movie makes. Nobody's ever going to say "that movie bombed because of the janitor!"

The whole thing is bullshit anyway. Movie studios are earning record breaking profits now. Are we supposed to believe that instead of pocketing the money themselves they would increase salaries to employees if they made more profit? Of course they wouldn't. It would go into the CEO and Board of Directors bonuses and payroll. Not the people who actually need the money.

 

[GK86]

Petition to investigate Chris Dodd and the MPAA over bribery and threats

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...icly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv

If it gets 25,000 signatures the whitehouse has to respond.

Signed up for an account, and signed it.

 

[Kinyou]

what tv are you watching, good shows are getting canned for bad shows like x-factor

Breaking Bad, I'm watching Breaking Bad

 

[Captain Sparrow]

This is so much nonsense in this thread, it's not even funny.

Now we're against the tyrannical top 30% of earners? No one deserves to make $55k a year, and no one deserves to make more than me!

I also have yet to hear one good plan to stop piracy. No one has to lower their prices because you don't like them and feel entitled to steal. Even with songs just 99 cents on iTunes, that didn't stop the pirates.

I have been able to buy DVD+Blu Ray+Digital Copy discs for $10 on sale. That's not unreasonable...

 

[Rebel Leader]

Oh yeah, then why can't I make threads?

On topic though; It drives me nuts when Hollywood claims that the film's custodial staff who make $50k a year is somehow impacted by piracy. Once their job is done, it doesn't matter to them how many dollars a movie makes. Nobody's ever going to say "that movie bombed because of the janitor!"

I doubt they would hire the "thousands of jobs" piracy takes away anyways...

 

[Rebel Leader]

This is so much nonsense in this thread, it's not even funny.

Now we're against the tyrannical top 30% of earners? No one deserves to make $55k a year, and no one deserves to make more than me!

I also have yet to hear one good plan to stop piracy. No one has to lower their prices because you don't like them and feel entitled to steal. Even with songs just 99 cents on iTunes, that didn't stop the pirates.

I have been able to buy DVD+Blu Ray+Digital Copy discs for $10 on sale. That's not unreasonable...

I watch anime..just read.. saw a blu-ray release coming to america for...$400
I doubt many people would buy that

 

[Deleted member 13876]

So the new plan is to villify tech companies?

 

[ReBurn]

So the new plan is to villify tech companies?

Hating corporations is in right now.

 

[Raistlin]

Petition to investigate Chris Dodd and the MPAA over bribery and threats

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...icly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv

If it gets 25,000 signatures the whitehouse has to respond.

Thank you, and signed!



While I hope this doesn't shift the discussion away from the merits (or lack) of SOPA, this really needs to be addressed.

I'm a HUGE proponent of campaign finance reform ... and would go as far to state I feel it's the single biggest issue in American politics and policy creation.

 

[DarkFlow]

Oh yeah, then why can't I make threads?

On topic though; It drives me nuts when Hollywood claims that the film's custodial staff who make $50k a year is somehow impacted by piracy. Once their job is done, it doesn't matter to them how many dollars a movie makes. Nobody's ever going to say "that movie bombed because of the janitor!"

Because you most likely did something dumb to get demoted.

 

[jorma]

This is so much nonsense in this thread, it's not even funny.

Now we're against the tyrannical top 30% of earners? No one deserves to make $55k a year, and no one deserves to make more than me!

No one is questioning your right to earn money, people are questioning what lengths you are allowed to go to in order to keep earning it when your business model is starting to fail.

 

[Sobriquet]

I'm kind of embarrassed that my union made a statement in that article.

I'm completely anti-piracy, but SOPA and PIPA were bullshit.

And yes, us lowly crewfolk are affected by piracy.

 

[commedieu]

I'm kind of embarrassed that my union made a statement in that article.

I'm completely anti-piracy, but SOPA and PIPA were bullshit.

And yes, us lowly crewfolk are affected by piracy.

Are you union? Do you get some sort of income from the film? I'm on the post prod side. So not sure. Basically I do Contract jobs, get paid, onto the next project. Thats about it. No points or anything....

More of my jobs have been lost to outsourcing due to a weak dollar in the USA. I can't say that any project I've been on has suffered from piracy afterward, and didn't warrant a sequel. My income hasn't changed either.

op:

Piracy does affect film, but its in collaboration with lack of accessibility to the content legally. The film industry has to do what the music industry does, as its business plan is no longer usable in a modern world. All other industries can do it, Its beyond me that film is still trying to pretend people would rather go to a movie theater to watch a film, rather than see it at home.

Realistically, sacrifice has to be made temporarily. Movie theaters are overpriced, people are willing to pay that premium for good movies of course. But not 99% of the crap that hollywood puts out, then condemns piracy for no one seeing Pauly Shores latest epic.

Killing the internet wont put more butts in seats.

And how out of touch can a person be with the 55k line. They just don't get it. Its like they are trying to keep the 8Track business model going in the year 2030.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Average American doesn't exist. Cost of living in California or New York where most of the jobs reside is higher than the average American cost of living.

I live in LA and survive on much less than 55k a year. A person living in LA making that kind of money likely drives an entry-level luxury car, or could afford to, and has a thousand dollars of disposable income every month. An extra in a movie or tv show, assuming they're a union member, makes an absolute minimum of $147 for the day as long as they show up, even if they only work for an hour or two. They are then paid even more for working around smoke, changing wardrobe, driving a certain distance to get to location, using their car, not getting to break for lunch by a certain time, kissing another person in a scene, etc. The average union extra can expect to make $250 per day when it's all said and done. Anyone who says a line in a movie or tv show, even just one word, gets $895 for the day at minimum. Wages in the film industry are extremely bloated.

 

[neorej]

Are you union? Do you get some sort of income from the film? I'm on the post prod side. So not sure. Basically I do Contract jobs, get paid, onto the next project. Thats about it. No points or anything....

More of my jobs have been lost to outsourcing due to a weak dollar in the USA. I can't say that any project I've been on has suffered from piracy afterward, and didn't warrant a sequel. My income hasn't changed either.

op:

Piracy does affect film, but its in collaboration with lack of accessibility to the content legally. The film industry has to do what the music industry does, as its business plan is no longer usable in a modern world. All other industries can do it, Its beyond me that film is still trying to pretend people would rather go to a movie theater to watch a film, rather than see it at home.

Realistically, sacrifice has to be made temporarily. Movie theaters are overpriced, people are willing to pay that premium for good movies of course. But not 99% of the crap that hollywood puts out, then condemns piracy for no one seeing Pauly Shores latest epic.

Killing the internet wont put more butts in seats.

And how out of touch can a person be with the 55k line. They just don't get it. Its like they are trying to keep the 8Track business model going in the year 2030.

Totally agreed.

 

[MooseKnuckles]

Oh yeah, then why can't I make threads?

On topic though; It drives me nuts when Hollywood claims that the film's custodial staff who make $50k a year is somehow impacted by piracy. Once their job is done, it doesn't matter to them how many dollars a movie makes. Nobody's ever going to say "that movie bombed because of the janitor!"

I'm assuming most of the time they're not talking about janitor's, but more likely the film's technical crew, who are for the most part highly skilled workers in a very demanding industry.

The success of a film (and therefore piracy), directly impacts crew workers because if the investments stop making a return then fewer films will be financed and they will thus have fewer opportunities to work and earn a living.

 

[jorma]

I'm assuming most of the time they're not talking about janitor's, but more likely the film's technical crew, who are for the most part highly skilled workers in a very demanding industry.

The success of a film (and therefore piracy), directly impacts crew workers because if the investments stop making a return then fewer films will be financed and they will thus have fewer opportunities to work and earn a living.

Yes, if i was financially dependant on the success of a particular movie in todays market i'd always want it to be on the top of the "most torrented" lists, because that always means that it's a successful movie that most assuredly will generate a healthy ROI.

The movies that noone wants to pay to see also tend to be the movies that noone wants to pirate.

 

[neorej]

I fail to see how piracy affects the movie-industry. Here in Holland, over the past 10 years, income for movie-theatres has increased, the number of visitors has increased (source), while the number of high-speed internetconnections has increased, as well as the actual speed of those connections.
So people have easier and better access to illegal content, and yet they choose to visit a movie-theater. What does that tell us?

 

[Sobriquet]

Are you union? Do you get some sort of income from the film? I'm on the post prod side. So not sure. Basically I do Contract jobs, get paid, onto the next project. Thats about it. No points or anything....

Yeah, I'm IA. So, same deal. Just noticed a big decline in the amount of projects over the last 15 years. Personally, I haven't been affected but many friends have been.

I'm assuming most of the time they're not talking about janitor's, but more likely the film's technical crew, who are for the most part highly skilled workers in a very demanding industry.

The success of a film (and therefore piracy), directly impacts crew workers because if the investments stop making a return then fewer films will be financed and they will thus have fewer opportunities to work and earn a living.

Correct.

I live in LA and survive on much less than 55k a year. A person living in LA making that kind of money likely drives an entry-level luxury car, or could afford to, and has a thousand dollars of disposable income every month. An extra in a movie or tv show, assuming they're a union member, makes an absolute minimum of $147 for the day as long as they show up, even if they only work for an hour or two. They are then paid even more for working around smoke, changing wardrobe, driving a certain distance to get to location, using their car, not getting to break for lunch by a certain time, kissing another person in a scene, etc. The average union extra can expect to make $250 per day when it's all said and done. Anyone who says a line in a movie or tv show, even just one word, gets $895 for the day at minimum. Wages in the film industry are extremely bloated.

Only a small percentage of extras are SAG. Most make minimum wage. It's around $100 before taxes for a 12-hour day. Pay bumps are few and far between.

 

[Puddles]

Porn is one of the few media industries where the executives are justified when they say piracy has a linear destructive effect on their profits. The entire business is going to hell in many ways.

I wouldn't buy porn anyway, but damn if they don't shoot themselves in the dicks with their absurd price points. No one is going to put a recurring $30-40 charge on their credit cards with all the other options out there.

 

[Log4Girlz]

So its the top 2% that get all the money? Sweet. Yes, let the american people know that.

 

[jorma]

Porn is one of the few media industries where the executives are justified when they say piracy has a linear destructive effect on their profits. The entire business is going to hell in many ways.

Their profits is not the issue, not to me at least. I could not care less. The valid problem is - will piracy lead to less/no content being produced? The answer seems to be an emphatic "no", and the porn industry also seems to be adopting to the new world a lot better than the movie industry.