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Hollywood regroups after losing battle over anti-piracy bills

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K' Dash

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I can safely say the most movie theatres > your home theatre.

uuuhh, nope, not mine, I spent a fair ammount of money and research to build my setup, but I guess in a forum where most of us are aware of cutting edge tech of video and audio, this is the common denominator.
 

DarkKyo

Member
Hey Hollywood and MPAA-- fucking get with the times and innovate if you want to make more money. Don't take your inability to successfully market your shit out on the world with terrible legislation.
 

mjc

Member
People need to know … that 98% of people who work in the entertainment industry make $55,000 a year. They're not moguls and they're not walking red carpets."

That's more than I make. Hollywood can get bent.
 

slit

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Television producer Shawn Ryan, whose credits include the groundbreaking FX police drama "The Shield," took to Twitter to make his case for the need for tough legislation to fight piracy.

"I want a free Internet," Ryan tweeted Wednesday, "but if you like good TV there will be much less of it in future if piracy continues."


Yeah, I don't think so. There is still mad money to be made regardless of whether or not piracy hurts their bottom line. The lies Hollywood is spewing does not help their cause, it only hurts it. Once people catch you bullshiting they don't believe anything you say.
 
piracyisnottheft.jpg

How dare you use Invader Zim for your semantics!
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Good blog post from Marco Arment, an iOS developer, regarding the MPAA's lobbying power.




Gotta agree with him regarding their retarded anit consumer choices. Disney is the worst with the unskippable BR shit.

http://www.marco.org/2012/01/20/the-next-sopa

I got a new Blu Ray from Disney that had some trademarked 'feature' that lets you 'skip straight to the movie!' but of course it doesnt, it lets you skip straight to the trailers, but unbeknownst to you, enables the top menu button. The fact that they decided this was a trademarkable feature is fucking bizarre.
 

Pandaman

Everything is moe to me
'suing the devil' was downloaded 100,000 times? wow... i wonder what sort of digital distribution model he was using.
lol
 

grkazan12

Member
The answer is right in front of them and it's called Netflix, seriously in a perfect world every movie of theirs would be available on Netflix. They just can't bite the bullet and put everything on such a easy to use service. Probably too much of a loss for the, but IMO that would put a massive dent in piracy.
 

dudeworld

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Yeah. I don't know what you guys who say your home theatres are better are talking about.

where I live, it's not uncommon for a home theatre like this to be standard in new homes at a certain price point.

also, when you're not sitting 20 feet away from the screen you don't exactly need super high resolution
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
The answer is right in front of them and it's called Netflix, seriously in a perfect world every movie of theirs would be available on Netflix. They just can't bite the bullet and put everything on such a easy to use service. Probably too much of a loss for the, but IMO that would put a massive dent in piracy.

On the flip side they would get some revenue from the massive sinkholes of unwatchable shit they keep putting in theaters and bombing.
 
Uhh, movie theaters output at a higher resolution than your home theater. Especially IMAX and 4k theaters.
So? The resolution isn't high enough for theaters. I watched MI4 in IMAX couple of weeks ago and was very dispointed. The 1080p picture on my 40" HDTV is much more crisp than the one I saw in the theater.
 
"We need to engage in a far better education process. People need to know … that 98% of people who work in the entertainment industry make $55,000 a year. They're not moguls and they're not walking red carpets."
Um, no. I think he means 98% of execs or big decision makers make that a year, because actors (which are a big amount of people in the Hollywood scene) are some of the lowest paid people out there. Yes, you have the big mega stars making mega money, but for every one of them you have thousands that make maybe $20,000 a year on acting IF they are lucky.

His number of people that make $55k is way too large. Perhaps he should help education as well.
 
All comes down to a campaign finance law problem, just like everything else. They will win eventually because nobody has the right combination of will and power to fix these problems.
 

entremet

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where I live, it's not uncommon for a home theatre like this to be standard in new homes at a certain price point.

also, when you're not sitting 20 feet away from the screen you don't exactly need super high resolution

But do you have access to 4k content? I doubt it.

But I do agree, as an overall experience, watching movies in the theatre sucks these days, unless you live by an Alamo Drafthouse.
 

dudeworld

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But do you have access to 4k content? I doubt it.

But I do agree, as an overall experience, watching movies in the theatre sucks these days, unless you live by an Alamo Drafthouse.

but why would I need 4k content if I'm not sitting 20+ ft from the screen...?
 
Assume he means dpi.
Ah, okay

So? The resolution isn't high enough for theaters. I watched MI4 in IMAX couple of weeks ago and was very dispointed. The 1080p picture on my 40" HDTV is much more crisp than the one I saw in the theater.
So you're talking about PPI.

I get what you're talking about but still, dude, theirs something amazing and crazy visceral about watching a film on a huge IMAX screen that cannot be compared to watching it on your 40" HDTV.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
OK that 98% figure can't be right guys.

Pretty sure he means 55,000 or less, because 98% of people don't make the same salary. It could be an average. But that still means a significant amount of people are making under 55,000.

Yeah, I don't think so. There is still mad money to be made regardless of whether or not piracy hurts their bottom line. The lies Hollywood is spewing does not help their cause, it only hurts it. Once people catch you bullshiting they don't believe anything you say.

Shawn has a point when you realize that as a content creator, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of how things are distributed. Read his whole twitter feed over the matter, it's actually an interesting conversation.
 

Tapiozona

Banned
Ah, okay

So you're talking about PPI.

I get what you're talking about but still, dude, theirs something amazing and crazy visceral about watching a film on a huge IMAX screen that cannot be compared to watching it on your 40" HDTV.

I may not have an IMAX screen but I do have a 110 inch screen which I sit about 10 feet (or 15 feet depending where I sit) away from. I'd be curious how that compares mathematically as to how much of of the screen is taken up by my vision. I think the IMAX wins, but I get to sit in much much more comfortable chairs, drink alcohol, pause, not leave my house, eat whatever I want, etc...so I have IMAX beat in that regard. As for a regular theater, my home theater wins.
 
As long as they keep making drivel that doesn't keep up with what the vast majority of audiences around the world want, and so one as their services are clumsily-designed and implemented in contrast to how attractive file-sharing can be, piracy will always affect them. Even when these niggles do get un-niggled, piracy will go on—but, you know, they're actually all poor, with their 55k salaries and having to commute to work every day in the LA tangle.

—I can understand the latter point, but come on: all of the money keeps getting funneled to the top when it gets collected, and the rest of the Hollywood workforce will have the same lack of affluence that these executives can lay claim to. The politics of pocketing money aren't that interesting once you realize the methods by which these men can convince a sufficiently less-smart population to buy into their schemes. And those days, to an extent, will be over with a free and open Internet, where communication flows with far less hiccups.

That, and Netflix is awesome.
 
Pretty sure he means 55,000 or less.
Yeah, that has to be it.

I may not have an IMAX screen but I do have a 110 inch screen which I sit about 10 feet (or 15 feet depending where I sit) away from. I'd be curious how that compares mathematically as to how much of of the screen is taken up by my vision. I think the IMAX wins, but I get to sit in much much more comfortable chairs, drink alcohol, pause, not leave my house, eat whatever I want, etc...so I have IMAX beat in that regard. As for a regular theater, my home theater wins.
Yeah, dude that sounds pretty boss but me and a the majority of people can't afford anything like that. :lol
 
I may not have an IMAX screen but I do have a 110 inch screen which I sit about 10 feet (or 15 feet depending where I sit) away from. I'd be curious how that compares mathematically as to how much of of the screen is taken up by my vision. I think the IMAX wins, but I get to sit in much much more comfortable chairs, drink alcohol, pause, not leave my house, eat whatever I want, etc...so I have IMAX beat in that regard. As for a regular theater, my home theater wins.

The math is pretty easy. Is your projector 720p or 1080p?
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The real problem with Hollywood's attitude is that they're like the banking institutions. Banks should, by all rights, merely be a service industry that doesn't have the power it does. But they found a way to spin just storing people's money, into skimming craploads of profit to turn themselves into an empire.

Similarly, the entertainment industry by and large, is a bunch of middlemen between content creators and the audience. Rather than accept their relatively humble role, they've used the control they've had of media to build a gold-plated empire with massive reach and clout.

Their success is built entirely on how well they can gate content and exaggerate profitability from it. In a sense, it is logical for them to fear what's happening. It represents the end of everything they've carefully cultivated and they can't be sure that the new business models will provide them with the same degree of profit and control.

They're middle men who are being squeezed hard by reality.
 

q_q

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I wish someone put this much money and aggressive tactics into fighting poverty or improving our education system. But I guess that would just be socialism.
 

thetrin

Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
In what universe is $55,000 a bad salary? At $55,000, you're earning more than 80% of America.

I wish someone put this much money and aggressive tactics into fighting poverty or improving our education system. But I guess that would just be socialism.

There are plenty of non-profits and associated activism groups that do exactly this, but yes, there's no money to be MADE in the space, so they have to rely upon civic donations and government funding.
 
The real problem with Hollywood's attitude is that they're like the banking institutions. Banks should, by all rights, merely be a service industry that doesn't have the power it does. But they found a way to spin just storing people's money, into skimming craploads of profit to turn themselves into an empire.

Similarly, the entertainment industry by and large, is a bunch of middlemen between content creators and the audience. Rather than accept their relatively humble role, they've used the control they've had of media to build a gold-plated empire with massive reach and clout.

Their success is built entirely on how well they can gate content and exaggerate profitability from it. In a sense, it is logical for them to fear what's happening. It represents the end of everything they've carefully cultivated and they can't be sure that the new business models will provide them with the same degree of profit and control.

They're middle men who are being squeezed hard by reality.
They're providers that want to be rulers, and it clearly shows. I have nothing against wanting to be successful or, rather bluntly, rich, but this is going a bit too far. I don't think they need to apply this crab mentality of theirs to every single policy decision they want enforced upon the American public and in all of the nation's hinterlands. It's not funny stuff at all, and it'll ruin future generations and their opportunities for success and fulfillment.

And, yet, people just try and run away from genuinely-nasty topics to talk about or remind oneself of every day. Daily jobs keep everyone too preoccupied to worry about their future, I guess, and I can relate with that. But the individual spirit to innovate and compete on fair terms was what brought this nation and this culture forward, and everyone would always band together against what were perceived to be greater threats. Now it's a case of divide and conquer, coupled with occupy and conquer.

Shit.

And there's not much to be done in space until every other nation is thinking about a space program. China will have to land on the moon before the major firms want to relocate their military funding to NASA.
 

FyreWulff

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As long as the film industry continues to use "Hollywood accounting" to make every movie look like a loss on paper to screw people out of their money (essentially, pirating their work), I can't really feel sorry for them.
 
Imagine if he was called Eric Dodd. Worst combination of bad names ever, haha.

—That. Is. Despicable. I'm reminded of why I play video games to relieve my daily tension issues.
 
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