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Homeland - Season 4 - Sundays on Showtime

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BeforeU

BeforeU

Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
God damn carrie is a horrible mother. Her mind is so fucked up, beyond repair.

btw amazing episodes.
 
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Grifter

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You'd think sole headliner Carrie would be remade more likeable but they're really doubling down on pushing what the audience will accept from her!
 
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dead souls

Member
I thought both of these episodes were great. Claire Danes is doing a masterful job portraying a truly unlikeable, yet fascinating, character.
 
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Wozzly

special needs, sexual needs
No Dana Brody and her amazing acting with her hands rubbing together? I am disappointed.
 
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chalkitdown1

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That was a really great return to form! I'm shocked. And very pleased. First episode was excellent, second was really good but not as fast paced. Carrie is so fucked up. How the hell has she gotten so high up the ladder? She's such a terrible person. I was so glad when Quinn called her out on her bullshit.

Interesting to note that they didn't kill off her father mid season even though the actor died. More fuel for a future Carrie breakdown later on in the season I guess.
 
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illmatic19

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I missed this show. Though I got really nervous when Carrie pulled up in front of the (former) Brody residence. I want nothing to do with that family anymore.
 
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cameron

Member
Not bad. All the Quinn scenes were great and the new Aayan guy seems decent.

I find Carrie interesting only when she is doing CIA stuff (like the dialogue between her and Lockhart and the case officer). I don't care for her personal life scenes. The whole baby thing just dragged, including the cheap bathtub almost drowning trope. The only plus was the exchange between Carrie and her sister near the end. I also don't want to see any more of Saul's relationship with that lady.

The actor who played Sandy is going to be the new Sean Bean in terms of dying in everything.
 
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AuthenticM

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illmatic19 said:
I missed this show. Though I got really nervous when Carrie pulled up in front of the (former) Brody residence. I want nothing to do with that family anymore.
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I yelled out loud "you better not be going where I think you're going, crazy bitch!" at that scene. I was so scared that a wild Brody would be coming out of the house.
 
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Grifter

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She's going back to investigate what happened, so he may still recur in flashback form.

I like to think of baby as a shrunken down Brody given the hair and all she represents.

Enjoyed Quinn in the diner but we've seen that scene a hundred times in action movies.
 
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Grifter

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Thought she might pawn the baby off on Jess as a way to bring her back. Hope we can have Dana raise her half-sister.
 
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The Dutch Slayer

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I really enjoyed ep 1 and 2 it was pretty good, and the no Brody factor was awesome!
Now after seeing the first 2 eps I'm looking forward to this season.
 
Vert boil

Vert boil

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Fairly indifferent about the first two episodes. Hopefully the story goes somewhere interesting.
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Quinn

Napoleonthechimp said:
Babies are such a drag.

Put it up for adoption Carrie, you know you want to.
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kirblar

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As someone who tuned out mid S2, this was very very good. I liked the thematic callback to Brody's origin and Surveillance w/ Aayan's story, one that clearly is telling a very different story.
 
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Immortal Technique

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I liked the first two episodes. Nothing amazing yet, but, a lot of it was putting thing in place for the main story this season and 'writing out' the baby. I think it's setting up really good going forward.
 
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ffejeromdiks

Banned
Actually loathed the two new episodes, seeing Carrie in such a position of power is downright terrifying. It's intentional of course but I don't know if I can handle a whole season of this shit, can't root for her at all anymore.

Life of Pi kid's storyline might go somewhere interesting though, his perspective remains the only "new" thing Homeland is bringing to the table this year.

I'll keep watching it for Saul and Quinn but in previous seasons my main beef was with the major focus on the questionable nature of Carries sanity...and it looks like we're jumping right back into another whole season of it.
 
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anaron

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dead souls said:
Yeah, no need to call in Maury Povich to figure out who the baby daddy is on this one.
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Lol

I...liked these two episodes a lot, actually. Maybe it was the incredibly lowered standards but show is definitely on the right (or well, better) path for now. Still shocked that Corey Stoll died when he was promoted as a header.
 
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kingkitty

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Episodes were not bad.

Carrie is still the worst.
- Almost drowned her baby.
- The scene where she parks in front of Brody's old house. No more Carrie. No more please.

I didn't like her attitude about the botched operation and how many causalities it caused. But I guess that might be accurate among certain groups.

I hope the story line with the Pakistan kid goes somewhere interesting. Maybe he's Carrie's new love interest.

Also, Quinn rocks.
 
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Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
I was afraid that they'd make the Pakistani kid become all radicalized, it seemed too predictable. Luckily they didn't go down that route, so kudos to the writers for that. That roommate of his is insufferable, though. Poor guy had his life ruined.

Something silly I've been wondering: when the Pakistani kid was talking to the folks in his village, or that girl's parents, they were speaking (presumably) Urdu with subtitles, but at the university, or when he was just talking to the girl in private, they were speaking English. Is it because it's an English university or something? At first I thought they had switched to spoken English as translated for the benefit of the viewers, but they reverted to subtitles when he visited that girl so I found that slightly confusing. :p
 
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AuthenticM

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Morrigan Stark said:
Is it because it's an English university or something? At first I thought they had switched to spoken English as translated for the benefit of the viewers, but they reverted to subtitles when he visited that girl so I found that slightly confusing. :p
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I think it's because they want to limit the amount of time the characters speak in a foreign language. Hollywood is very conscious of that, as their american demographic is known to not like reading subtitles.

-Pyromaniac- said:
This show needs to become just Quinn kicking people's asses.
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That would certainly be welcome. :)
 
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Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
AuthenticM said:
I think it's because they want to limit the amount of time the characters speak in a foreign language. Hollywood is very conscious of that, as their american demographic is known to not like reading subtitles.
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But then why the inconsistency? They reverted back to subtitles with that girl's parents...
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
*sigh* Little glimmers off hope there, but fuck, Carrie is irredeemable as both a person and a CIA employee, and perhaps worst of all, the show isn't even trying to redeem her.

I can't even tell what the show is going for anymore. Are they trying to show the CIA and the War on Terror as institutions bending well-intentioned people into corrupted cogs in the machine? Or does the show believe in these methods and institutions, but chooses to have them carried out by morons for the sake of drama?

Excusing the bold hypocrisy, Carrie threatening to make life hard for Lockhart over his complicity in treason, she leverages this to get back in the field... primarily so she can continue to abstain from motherhood. It's not that she has a true belief in the cause or anything at this point, that there's a greater good she can serve by not throwing Lockhart to the wolves. That's a convenient excuse. So why should I care? In terms of the political environment, I have no idea what is driving Carrie now. She waffled between several different positions on drone practices in these two episodes. Honestly, during that first talk she had with Quinn at the airport, it felt like she'd given this about the same amount of careful consideration as the average American citizen.

And from the looks of the preview,
Carrie will immediately return to her old tricks of going rogue, disobeying orders and refusing to play as part of a team
. Fun.

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Side note, what was the deal with Carrie throwing the Islamabad security team under the bus? Umm, what were they at fault for? Not securing the station chief when he expressly was ducking everyone's attention to meet a secret source? For not demanding they escort Quinn to the airport when picking up Carrie? For someone deducing or leaking Sandy's identity? Cause chances are very good that wasn't the security team's fault. That comment made no sense to me, outside of being an obvious way to bring Saul in.

Morrigan Stark said:
Something silly I've been wondering: when the Pakistani kid was talking to the folks in his village, or that girl's parents, they were speaking (presumably) Urdu with subtitles, but at the university, or when he was just talking to the girl in private, they were speaking English. Is it because it's an English university or something? At first I thought they had switched to spoken English as translated for the benefit of the viewers, but they reverted to subtitles when he visited that girl so I found that slightly confusing. :p
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Yeah, I think that was basically a generational thing. The younger people are now fluent in English. I don't think it was an effort to avoid subtitles or anything. It seemed to adjust realistically with respect to the situations and the individuals.
 
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Tugatrix

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I'm watching the ep now and laughing so much at Quinn banging the fat lady. This show has return to great form with no Brody family
 
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Steelyuhas

Member
I thought the first episode was pretty good, but the second one was a bit of a mess.

-Carrie failing upwards once again. Blows up a wedding, asks for a promotion.
-"It's not even a country, it's an acronym" lol okay
-Babies as a plot point is just never interesting
-Quinn is the best, interesting character and nice performance
-Shame that Stoll was just a one-off, which I assumed he wasn't because it was Corey Stoll.
-The survivor of the wedding is an interesting plot line. They handled it pretty well in the first two episodes, I'm curious to see where that goes.
 
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AuthenticM

Member
Tugatrix said:
I'm watching the ep now and laughing so much at Quinn banging the fat lady. This show has return to great form with no Brody family
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I think it was meant to be funny, when her on top and being so much larger than him. Though I do like that they are setting her up to be a serious romantic interest. She didn't have a lot of screen time, but what little we saw of her lead me to believe she's an interesting character.

Anyways, I guess we'll see next sunday.
 
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Fried Food

Banned
Oh man I didn't think they could do it, but they are nailing this season so far. So goood.

I was so happy during the scene with Quinn destroying this dumbasses, so so good. This show. So thirst for this season.
 
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