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Hot take: PS2 had a better selection of platformers than most Nintendo systems
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clarky
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Mate, Mario practically invented the 3D platform template.
Ape escape is great game but its the Monkeys compared to the Mario Beatles. Its not even close.
clarky
Gold Member
You talk bullshit people are bound to slip on it pal.
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Naked Lunch
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In a sea of horrifically bad internet takes -
this one takes the cake.
Absolutely, 100%, no.
Mario 64 alone dumps on any 3d platformer ever - and its not even close.
SNES library covers the rest.
this one takes the cake.
Absolutely, 100%, no.
Mario 64 alone dumps on any 3d platformer ever - and its not even close.
SNES library covers the rest.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Well there 'ya go; your tastes are focused on platformers so of course Nintendo would take tops. I'm not as enthused with platformers as you probably are (tho I do like a fair number of them), which evens out prospects of their systems and output vs. Sony's.
Like I said, Nintendo arguably has more pure heavy-hitters legacy-wise than Sony, but I'm considering a ton of factors there like impact to gaming and so forth. Nintendo's got Mario Bros., Super Metroid, Mario 64, Pokemon etc. while Sony's got Parappa (1st super-impactful rhythm game), Gran Turismo, TLOU and so on.
Puscifer
Member
Just saying that because of the variety of games on PS2 it would make sense that it had better platformers than a Nintendo console that isn't built to be a mascot machine. Shit, infamous 2 and Second Sun are some of my favorite platformers.
Unknown?
Member
Yeah it practically did, but Ape Escape improved upon it. It actually is embarrassing how much Ape Escape 2 makes Sunshine look like a generic, boring knockoff.
clarky
Gold Member
We are in a thread talking about platformers?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Not bullshit. I literally labeled it a hot take.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Sure, but this thread is about platformers, not the other genres.
clarky
Gold Member
Sunshine is probably the worst Mario there is, so not really that embarrassing?
If your only claim to fame is your better than the worst of your competition then well done i suppose
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NeverYouMind
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Prince moves like a monkey at half earth gravity. Ryu moves like Sonic in 3D should...
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clarky
Gold Member
Might as well bring Starfield into it at this point.
But the level design is so good, the traps and time challenges so much more engaging I find.
Guess we won't agree on this one. But at least now I want to replay Ninja Gaiden and Earthworm Jim
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
Member
well at least u knew zeldas not a platformer
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Those are from many different systems. I am citing how PS2 had like 15+ different cult classics and most of them were bangers. Nintendo games are quality but there's not many Nintendo systems where you can find that many amazing platformers on one system besides NES, SNES, Switch and now that I think of it, GBA.
SpiceRacz
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The majority of those aren't platformers and I don't think most people would describe them as "amazing."
clarky
Gold Member
Dude bsides the wii thats their most successful systems lol
Out of all of the games you mentioned, the only game that doesn't have "platformer" in its genre description is Ninja gaiden sigma. They're all viable examples. Obviously Mario games are purer platformers, but come on now
nial
Gold Member
Gotcha, I didn't find your take to be crazy or something like that anyway lol.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
OK I suppose I am getting a bit crazy with it. Gba was just something else for quality platformers and games in general. Best handheld game library Nintendo had
SpiceRacz
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They're basically all action-adventure games with platforming elements. That does not make them platformers. Action-adventure is an entirely separate genre of games. If you're going to stretch the definition of "platformer", you may as well include God of War, Rygar, Shinobi, Castlevania Lament of Innocence, etc. Those games are closer to the ones that were listed than they are to Mario, Banjo, and actual platformer games.
clarky
Gold Member
there's not many playstation systems where you can find that many amazing platformers on one system besides playstation 1,2,3&4, and now that I think of it, PSP.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
But by your definition no game series beside Mario and Banjo would count as a platformer series. And genre mixes do exist.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
No but adding that to the end would make for a funny non sequitur
clarky
Gold Member
Exactly. It was a weak argument
clarky
Gold Member
A platform game to me means the main way to progress is by jumping and landing skillfully on platforms and enemies
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Your hot take never mentioned pretty much every other videogame in existence that has a surface to walk and land on.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
You can't progress in any of the games I listed without hitting the jump button at least once. Also not many other genres give you a dedicated jump button.
Plus Banjo isn't necessarily about jumping or landing skillfully on platforms as much as it is collecting stuff and exploring the landscape, same for Conker, metroid, and Spyro. But those games are all still platformers.
clarky
Gold Member
Dude you cant progress in FIFA without jumping at least once
By that definition the only game inexhistance that isnt a platformer is NHL '23
Im convinced your very very high at this point.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
What? I've never played fifa before so I don't even get this.
The games I listed have heavy platforming elements and there's still no denying that, you just have to play them.
clarky
Gold Member
You and Spiceracz are really grasping for straws here. I get that you think Nintendo platformers are better than those he mentioned, but most people will consider them (even partially) platformers, so they fit the discussion and are valid.
Look at some of the lists of best platformers out there and you'll find prince of persia, Ratchet and clank, Jak and even Earthworm Jim.
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clarky
Gold Member
Hahaaha yeah your smoking crack as well.
Zannegan
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Psychonauts is godlike, IMO, but not for it's platforming. Same goes for the three exclusives, for the most part. That aside, though Rachet, Jak, and Sly are all high quality franchises, I don't know that your list would push the PS2 above any Nintendo system in their pet genre let alone most of them.
With that said, Sony was so dominant that generation that if there were a system that schooled Nintendo on its own playground, it would be the PS2.
With that said, Sony was so dominant that generation that if there were a system that schooled Nintendo on its own playground, it would be the PS2.
SpiceRacz
Member
I said most of the games you (and others) mentioned are closer to God of War, Rygar, Shinobi, Castlevania Lament of Innocence, etc. than they are to Banjo or Mario. It's just pointing out the obvious. Crash, Spyro, Spongebob Battle for Bikini Bottom, Sonic Adventure, are other examples of actual platformer games.
You should consider changing the title of the thread to "PS2 had a better selection of action-adventure games than most Nintendo systems." That would actually make sense. Right now, we're veering into "Zelda is an RPG" territory.
The best platform games ever (that aren't Mario)
We know Mario platformers are amazing. So good, in fact, a list of 'Best platformers' would probably be at least 50% Mario games. So he's banned. Here's the best of the rest.
See this list? See how Ratchet and clank, Earthworm Jim and Prince of persia are there? I guess the guy who wrote it is on crack as well
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
That's not to say that any game with a jump is automatically a platformer. It's to say that if you want to beat the game you need to make heavy use of jumping.
The level design and a portion of the gameplay is tailored around being airborne and making jumps.
You get power ups to assist you in your jumping. There are puzzles where you need to utilize said jumping. Etc. There are entire platforming challenges found in these areas too.
SpiceRacz
Member
The best platform games ever (that aren't Mario)
We know Mario platformers are amazing. So good, in fact, a list of 'Best platformers' would probably be at least 50% Mario games. So he's banned. Here's the best of the rest.www.gamesradar.com
See this list? See how Ratchet and clank, Earthworm Jim and Prince of persia are there? I guess the guy who wrote it is on crack as well
clarky
Gold Member
Make your mind up.
Lets call it: Your topics a bust. Time to cut your losses.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
OK fine I choose the first one. I worded it poorly. Can we go on now.
This is devolving into semantics either way
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
I didn't finish the game because of its awful controls and platforming. I dare anyone play that game today and then SM Sunshine and tell me that it feels better to play. Sunshine sucks but it still has better platforming than Psychonauts trash.