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How did Nintendo let you down?

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Oblivion

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Okay, this is something that I've noticed on several messageboards. People constantly mentioning Nintendo "let them down" since the N64, but with the DS they're "finally getting it right". I must say, I'm a bit confused at these comments. I would assume that those who harbor strong anti-nintendo emotions do so probably because they don't have lots of third party games. Valid reason, sure enough, but how exactly would the third party thing be Nintendo's fault? I mean, third party devs go to the ones with the biggest audience, and for most of them, they are in Sony or MS's camp.

Nintendo let me down this generation sure enough. But my reasons tend to be different than others. Nintendo let me down by having inferior FIRST (key word) party software compared to previous generations (barring a few exceptions). I didn't care too much about third party games since they wouldn't just disappear, they would show up on the PS2 or maybe even Xbox, and I could get it for those systems.

So I ask ye all. Share your thoughts on how Nintendo let you down. I'm curious to know.

Edit: I hope we can keep this civil :(
 
Come on, guys. I just want to understand this mentality, that's all.

edit: Okay, Error2k edited his post :)
 
Nintendo as a whole has never really let me down.

NOA on the other hand is a completely different stories. NOA has let me down in many ways but the things they have done right this gen greatly outweight the disappointments. Especially their localization team. Absolute brilliance.
 
They have yet to satisfy my wants as an adult. Im not a fanboy but I owned both consoles cept for the purple. There were probally no more than 5 titles on the cube that I wanted, not enough to warrant a purchase.
 
Honestly I'm not sure how anybody can be let down by any particular company unless they are either 1) a frothing fanboy 2) only own one console 3) a repressed frothing fanboy 4) all of the above.

Really...If you own more than 1 console how are you missing out on 3rd parties? Nintendo consoles are for those Nintendo exclusives. Anything extra is good but I'm not gonna go sobbing because GC has the least support.
 
Jive Turkey said:
Honestly I'm not sure how anybody can be let down by any particular company unless they are either 1) a frothing fanboy 2) only own one console 3) a repressed frothing fanboy 4) all of the above.

Really...If you own more than 1 console how are you missing out on 3rd parties? Nintendo consoles are for those Nintendo exclusives. Anything extra is good but I'm not gonna go sobbing because GC has the least support.
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Jive Turkey said:
Honestly I'm not sure how anybody can be let down by any particular company unless they are either 1) a frothing fanboy 2) only own one console 3) a repressed frothing fanboy 4) all of the above.

Really...If you own more than 1 console how are you missing out on 3rd parties? Nintendo consoles are for those Nintendo exclusives. Anything extra is good but I'm not gonna go sobbing because GC has the least support.
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Exactly. However, as I stated in the original post, if I'm going for Nintendo games, I expect a certain level of quality from Nintendo. And if they don't meet that level, well, then that's when the angry letters start being sent.
 
Oblivion said:
Exactly. However, as I stated in the original post, if I'm going for Nintendo games, I expect a certain level of quality from Nintendo. And if they don't meet that level, well, then that's when the angry letters start being sent.
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That's what I guess I don't understand. EVERY game company has their fair share of turds. Nintendo is set in a different category because they tend to either set the bar higher than other companies or do something totally different than the competition. Just because they make some really great titles doesn't mean they aren't allowed to crank out a real stinker either (I can't think of a game developed by Nintendo this gen that would actually qualify as a stinker either...Good number of "average at best" games though). The rate of Nintendo develpoed quality titles to crap this gen seems about par to me. Not sure what all the fuss is about really.
 
Strike One: KI and Cruisin USA looked like shit compared to the Arcade versions
Strike Two: No Rev Limit
Strike Three: Gran Turismo not on the N64

Funny thing is that it was a NOA executive that turned me on to Gran Turismo by saying if there was a fire in his house he would save his PSX over the N64 becuase of Gran Trusimo.
 
Nintendo never let me down, however I used to be Nintendo exclusive, so if your asking what made me change my ways, it was the games.


Specificaly: Jurassic Park for the PSX which is saw in GamePro. Funny thing is, I never bought the game.
 
Hmmm...let's see...
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I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it...

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hmm.....
 
they haven't let me down actually - they just in the last few months they released very few titles for the GC which interested me, which is...... bad. but for the DS they show overwhelming love atm.

I never cared much about any third party games. nintendo always and still makes the best games. the third party games are neat but I think I just own about 3 third party titles for the GC.....
but I guess for the average gamer third party support is important because more games can be showed in retail stores and people think this console is "better" than the others.
 
When the console just started being for 1st party games and they couldn't gain enough 3rd party support. 64 wasn't that great to me and GC has been less than stellar.
 
Oblivion said:
This is what I'm talking about. Can you expand a bit on this, please? :)
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n64's cart medium, no squaresoft, n64 rpgs? :lol , muddy graphics, purple gamecube, mario sunshine, no online, no hard drive, c stick wtf.
 
Let Down:
I think thier biggest mistake was using cartridges for N64. I guess caused the lack of 3rd party support on N64 and that carried over to the Cube.

I haven't played a Pokemon game since the Blue version on GBC, but if think if Nintendo made a console Pokemon RPG as good as the portable titles, that would sell like crazy.

Just so I don't sound all negative...
I got DS last month and it's games are better than I thought it would be. I've probably said this several times before... I only got the DS because I was going to get the new SP or Micro, but then I found a DS for cheaper than either of those.
 
the 64.99+ GBP price of games was a bit of a boot in the nuts, but other than that, no real qualms with Nintendo (or sony, or MS for that matter).

They've made me happier than they've disappointed me.
 
They let me down because I need to rely on them exclusively to play the games I want.

This is not because all I want to play is Nintendo games, it is because Nintendo still doesn't care about third parties. They still design their hardware for themselves first, and then force third parties to adjust.

This was a good thing for the DS, but we'll see how many third party games I'll be playing on Revolution.
 
Let's see. With the N64, I remember it feeling like a YEAR would pass before a game I would like came out on the system. Plus, they didn't have many games in my favorite genre at the time (RPGs) and lost their key RPG in FInal Fantasy. I just didn't like the N64 that much. The SNES was my favorite console at the time with such classics as FF6, Chrono Trigger and Yoshi's Island. Do I have to even talk about the travesty that was Yoshi's Story? Disgusting.

I really enjoyed games like Mario, Zelda, and Starfox, but those are only three among the few other games I enjoyed compared to all the games I enjoyed on psx.
 
1. Licensing Acclaim games.
1a. Licensing BMXXX.

2. Failing to unlock the best NES games in Animal Crossing.

3. Failing to provide the additional 20 levels for SMA4:SMB3.

4. Their brief attempt at emulating Sega's crass advertising style (see the early 90's).

5. Failing to release several wonderful games in the USA.

Overall, I'm quite happy. Those points are rather annoying, though.

6. NEVER UNLOCKING THE LAST FEW BLINKING SSBM TROPHIES.

There we go.
 
They haven't really let me down. But then that's because of the PS2 and XBox pretty much making Nintendo irrelevant for me the last few years.
 
I live in Europe. It's less a case of letting me down, more a case of serial abuse.

But I still love them.
 
Lack of good games on the cube really:

I really liked games like:
- Super Smash Brothers Melee
- Pikmin 1&2
- RE4
- Loz:ww
- Viewtifull joe
- Metroid prime
- Soul Calibur 2
- Super Monkey Ball
- Skies of Arcadia Legends

but i guess that just wasn't enough for me, and i just wanted more games like that.

The DS on the other hand made up a lot for that:
I'm having a great time playing games like Ouendan, Phoenix wright and Castlevania.
 
Oblivion said:
Come on, guys. I just want to understand this mentality, that's all.

edit: Okay, Error2k edited his post :)
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The mentality? It's more just a matter of taste.

I thought Metroid Prime was awful. I didn't want to "drive a Samus tank," I wanted to do crazy jumps and acrobats like in Metroid: Fusion.

Mario Sunshine was hung up on the dumb water novelty and I never got into it.

Zelda: Sailing sucked and there was too much of it for such a short (and not very challenging) game.

I don't even want to talk about the depressing Starfox and Donkey Kong games.

I mean, those are their big franchises, and that's 0 for 5.

They did okay with new IP, but not great. I found Warioware, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing to be pretty half-assed. They did put out some solid installments of their lesser franchises, like Paper Mario, F-Zero and Mario Kart.

I don't think that many can say that the Cube was Nintendo's finest moment. I think people might feel that the "DS is getting it right" because Nintendo uses the low-powered system to deliver more simple content. I wouldn't even say they're getting it right, since the dual screen is a total novelty and I can't stand the (*$&%R(*#&$ stylus. But it's online, the games aren't convulted, and the gimmickry of the DS design isn't really translating into gimmicky gameplay on the titles where it counts (nonwithstanding shit like Nintendogs and Feel The Magic).
 
terrene said:
The mentality? It's more just a matter of taste.

I thought Metroid Prime was awful. I didn't want to "drive a Samus tank," I wanted to do crazy jumps and acrobats like in Metroid: Fusion.

Mario Sunshine was hung up on the dumb water novelty and I never got into it.

Zelda: Sailing sucked and there was too much of it for such a short (and not very challenging) game.

I don't even want to talk about the depressing Starfox and Donkey Kong games.

I mean, those are their big franchises, and that's 0 for 5.

They did okay with new IP, but not great. I found Warioware, Pikmin, and Animal Crossing to be pretty half-assed. They did put out some solid installments of their lesser franchises, like Paper Mario, F-Zero and Mario Kart.

I don't think that many can say that the Cube was Nintendo's finest moment. I think people might feel that the "DS is getting it right" because Nintendo uses the low-powered system to deliver more simple content. I wouldn't even say they're getting it right, since the dual screen is a total novelty and I can't stand the (*$&%R(*#&$ stylus. But it's online, the games aren't convulted, and the gimmickry of the DS design isn't really translating into gimmicky gameplay on the titles where it counts (nonwithstanding shit like Nintendogs and Feel The Magic).
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. Those games you mentioned are the reasons why I was disappointed more with the GC than I ever was with the 64.
 
Im not too disappointed with their lack of 3rd party support because i have my PS2 to play 3rd party games, however if I only owned a GC I would be very annoyed. Its something they need to sort out next gen. For the lext two generations Nintendo have lacked 3rd party surrpot. They do get some 3rd party games, inlcuding a occasional exclusives even if it its only exclusive for a limited time, but they need more of them so that they can compete with Sony and MS. Just as important as exclusive titles are the multiplatform titles, an area where Nintendo have been lacking. most devs release games on PS2 and Xbox, but ignopre GC. If Nintendo want to do the impossible and satisfy their customers, then they need to sort out this problem.

Thier first party games have been great, but at time have not reached expectations. Mario Sunshine was great, just not as good as everyone hoped. Its the same with MP2 and a couple o other titles. I cant say that Im disappointed, I've enjoyed their first party games, but I am disappointed with the delay of Zelda. This disappointment will change if the game is worth the wait.

handhelds is another issue. They seem to be doing great in that aspect and have not disappointed me. GBA speaks for itself and DS is making steady progress. There are a couple of great games already out and a couple more great games coming out. If they can keep a steady flow of graet titles they will keep me happy
 
Nintendo (specifically NOA) doesn't have the inner fire they had in the N64 days. You could definitely tell they were humiliated by the success of the PSX and were pulling out all the stops to beat Sony in sales (which they actually did for several months, if I recall correctly). They made aggressive steps with 2nd party developers and even pursued (non-Mario) sports titles. They got EA on board and even nabbed RE2 for the console, an impressive feat given 3rd parties tended to avoid the system like the plague.

It seems like their neighbors at Redmond really sucked all of NOA's talent pool for their XBox console... I think Ken Lobb was their most high profile defection. So it is fitting then that they pretty much split the N64 base this gen and took the FPS crowd.

With the GCN they seem pretty resigned to 2nd or 3rd as long as they stood profitable. In chess they call that "passive defense" and is a losing strategy.

However, with the DS and Revolution they have crystallized their plan-- stop fighting a war of attrition with Sony and Microsoft, and instead expand the market. I think it's a wise plan for them, and will keep them profitable, but I can't help but wish for the old Nintendo back. Back when they really struck fear in the hearts of would-be competitors.
 
By and large Nintendo is the one videogame company that is able to bring feeling of dissapointment to fans to such a degree. This is because the competition are immune to such nonsense since there's little to any expectation they have to live up to.

Sony's strength is hardware. Microsoft's strength is hype. Nintendo's strength is content which in my eyes is the most diffficult and trickiest to pull off. A lot of people outgrow the stuff they make and that's perfectly fine. No reason for everyone liking the same things. This is why it is good there are other two companies in the industry to fulfill everybody's gaming needs.

Nintendo is still my prime game provider. No regrets.
 
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