Totally agree, OP. It's just people's hardened hearts to what they know to be true.
There are ~75 million miscarriages each year. You going to cry over those?
Totally agree, OP. It's just people's hardened hearts to what they know to be true.
It's not part of the mother's body. After the child is birthed, the mother has bodily autonomy.
If the host so chooses.
Totally agree, OP. It's just people's hardened hearts to what they know to be true.
The only person who has the right to say whether or not it's okay is the woman carrying it.
Cmon bro.There are ~75 million miscarriages each year. You going to cry over those?
not cold. rational.
If it is a dependent, the host can chose what it wants to do with its own body. Whenever.
I have yet to hear a rational argument about why we should be saving or caring about all these potential humans?
I have yet to hear a rational argument about why we should be saving or caring about all these potential humans?
So it's not really that I don't acknowledge them as people, it's just that I just don't care that they are people.
Whether a fetus is a person or not is a useless hypothesis. Fetuses, cannot claim ownership of their host body, by virtue of the first occupier rule (an abandoned or unclaimed piece of land becomes property of whoever gets there and claims it first). Therefore, while it may or may not be criminal to physically destroy fetuses, it is perfectly acceptable to evict them from the mother's womb. Since fetuses live off another person's body, that effectively makes them parasites and they may not survive being evicted but that would not be murder, only an unfortunate consequence.
Like I said, from a moral standpoint, it doesn't even matter if they are people.
The correct moral choice that is consistent with our society is that you cannot force anyone to do something with their bodies to save another fetus/human.
Why should "we" care about or save you? If I want to put my hands around your neck and squeeze, why can't I? Don't I have control over my own body?
Whether a fetus is a person or not is an irrelevant hypothesis in my opinion. Fetuses, cannot claim ownership of their host body, by virtue of the first occupier rule (an unclaimed piece of land becomes property of the first person to get there and claim it). Therefore, while it may or may not be criminal to physically destroy fetuses, it is perfectly acceptable to evict them from the mother's womb. Since fetuses live off another person's body, that effectively makes them parasites and they may not survive being evicted but that would not be murder, only an unfortunate consequence.
The distinction is meaningless if the result is the same. You're still killing an individual with a sentient future.
The distinction is meaningless if the result is the same. You're still killing an individual with a sentient future.
Cmon bro.
That's like me saying it's ok to kill adults because there are millions of accidental or health-related deaths each year.
The distinction is meaningless if the result is the same. You're still killing an individual with a sentient future.
These sorts of comments always show just how lacking in perspective some people are.
I think the abortion debate would look a lot different.A fetus is just that, a fetus.
It's potential as a human form, but is just cells working towards that. If they get aborted, then it's the end of the show.
I do wonder sometimes, how life would be if men could get pregnant.
Society sticks its nose into murder, illness, and abortion at the individual level, but it lets people be when it comes to miscarriages. Do you see the difference?
Of course, republicans are going around in some communities trying to turn every fucking miscarriage into a potential homicide investigation.
Not giving someone the material means to live is not killing them. You're not entitled to food, air or medication.
I feel like I want to say something, but anything I say would be misconstrued and frankly, I'm a man so I'm not gonna touch this topic.
You aren't 100 percent Pro-Choice if I can't choose to kill my neighbor's annoying baby that is keeping me up at 4:16 in the morning.
I think the abortion debate would look a lot different.
How do you know it even has a sentient future? Eggs fail to implant and women miscarry all of the fucking time. The minute she takes it upon herself to do it though, lol so wrong.
Actively taking away someone the material means to live is though.
There's an obvious difference between the material world doing it's thing, an accident happening and direct human intervention in every situation. Abortion is no different. That's a tired argument.
Actively taking away someone the material means to live is though.
Actively taking away someone the material means to live is though.
There's an obvious difference between the material world doing its thing, an accident happening and direct human intervention in every situation. Abortion is no different. That's a tired argument.
An 'individual' (if we go that far) is dying, because we cannot save it if we remove it from its host.
Also people's attitudes regarding welfare and homelessness.We slaughter children in drone strikes all the time. We like to say "life is precious", but as a nation, we certainly don't live it outside of specific causes like this one.
Not saying either way if a fetus is a "person" or not. But we certainly don't have a problem killing innocents. So if it's ok that we murder thousands of people around the world, why is it not ok when a mother decides what's best for her family and situation?
Selective morality.
I think abortions are fine if the mothers health during and before birth is at risk, if the infant shows signs of severe mental retardation which will hamper life or have health issues identified which will hinder life and shorten life span considerably. Apart from that I think basing it off economics is personally absurd and selfish as you dont know that in the future you will be viable to care for them in future as society is evolved to naturally take care of kids of economically tough families
Irrelevant. You're still purposefully taking an action which results in the death of an individual with the right to life.You can't 'take away' something you do not own in the first place.
When the material is another human. I am ok with it.
Can we steal your kidney to save another? You won't die.
Irrelevant. You're still purposefully taking an action which results in the death of an individual with the right to life.
I think abortions are fine if the mothers health during and before birth is at risk, if the infant shows signs of severe mental retardation which will hamper life or have health issues identified which will hinder life and shorten life span considerably. Apart from that I think basing it off economics is personally absurd and selfish as you dont know that in the future you will be viable to care for them in future as society is evolved to naturally take care of kids of economically tough families
Irrelevant. You're still purposefully taking an action which results in the death of an individual with the right to life.
Not equivalent.
Cmon bro.
That's like me saying it's ok to kill adults because there are millions of accidental or health-related deaths each year.
I don't think whether it's a potential person or not truly matters. You hear all these grand statements about the preciousness of life. Since when is life so precious? I have yet to see this sentiment elsewhere when it comes to leaving breathing out of the womb individuals.
It shouldn't really be a debate in the first place. It's not illegal to have an abortion anyway. People are entitled to their own body. Reproductive rights need to be in play here.
There should never be a situation like this. Ever.
In the future, when we have to technology to easily constantly monitor a woman's body, and tell whether or not an egg has been fertilized, and we have to capability to nurture that egg into viability--do you think we should do this?
Irrelevant. You're still purposefully taking an action which results in the death of an individual with the right to life.
Not equivalent.
Devolution: Let's just cut to the chase here: you don't think women deserve bodily autonomy.
93 posts in and the "pro-no choice" movement already made all their ridiculous arguments again.
Oh wait, the 'Wouldn't you find it terrible if YOU were aborted' point wasn't made yet.