Well a lot of the Nen powers aren't super flashy despite being incredibly effective. For every Feitan with stupidly over the top powers you've got tons of Padunoka's and others who dont even use Nen in an offensive manner.
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Well a lot of the Nen powers aren't super flashy despite being incredibly effective. For every Feitan with stupidly over the top powers you've got tons of Padunoka's and others who dont even use Nen in an offensive manner.
The Technomancer
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Fucking finally we got to the actual fighting. Damn that Chrollo explanation just dragged
Jigolo
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I'm the person who believes Hisoka, Chrollo, Silva, Zeno, and a few more. are at the same tier as the RG. They just don't seem that more powerful than these guys to me. Their toughness is probably way higher because of their nature (and I believe it was written that they're bodies are much tougher) but skill wise these guys are all there.
The thing that really fucks this whole thing up is the unfair advantage Togashi gave Pitou (ON PURPOSE) when she (yes, I know) fought Kite. Togashi did this shit just to fuck with the power scale on purpose but I believe Kite would've given her a much better fight with both arms obviously. Not saying he would've won but I don't think the gap is as big as most HxH fans make it out to be.
The thing that really fucks this whole thing up is the unfair advantage Togashi gave Pitou (ON PURPOSE) when she (yes, I know) fought Kite. Togashi did this shit just to fuck with the power scale on purpose but I believe Kite would've given her a much better fight with both arms obviously. Not saying he would've won but I don't think the gap is as big as most HxH fans make it out to be.
Netero probably could have beaten any of the royal guards, by Meruem was a cut above everyone. He didn't even have a proper hatsu.
Did you really expect any of them to come close to the King or even the Royal Guards? The King is the strongest lifeform this side of Lake Mobius. Nobody's touching that.
I don't know man. I'll give you Pouf, who just seems annoying to deal with and isn't really a fighter. But Pitou's speed is the real deal, and his Nen is the greatest we've seen yet. And Youpi is just a problem all around. He has insane Nen, toughness and power and seems like he could evolve infinitely. You'd need someone with a damn good ability to stand a chance of beating them, I'd say. And unfortunately there's no such thing as a certain-kill Nen ability, not without crazy limitations.
I think the Royal Guards are far above any human character we have seen, in terms of aura capacity and physical toughness. But luckily there's far more to winning a Nen fight than raw power. This fight between Chrollo and Hisoka is not going to have the same level of Power Creep present during the Chimera Ant arc, and that is fine. Chrollo is already showing some terrifying ability synergy in this fight. I'd hate to be a member of the Heaven's Arena crowd! I still think Hisoka is taking this, but it's going to be a struggle. He's already taken some serious shots from Chrollo. Those blows to the back of his head looked fucking painful!
I don't know, the mechanics of Nen are my favorite part of HxH. If they just skipped to this we'd have no idea what the hell is going on. Different strokes I guess.
My understanding is that Muruem was a specialist who's Hatsu was the ability to absorb Nen by eating his opponents.
who knows we might get an ova or something.
BobTheFork
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I didn't take what Pitou said to mean Gon was at the King's level. More that Gon was capable to attacking and possible hurting the king.
That's not technically what Pitou said. I don't really speak Japanese, but as far as I could tell the literal Japanese said something like "his fangs have reached the King". Which I took to mean he's strong enough to actually be a threat to the King. Of course, the Royal Guard perceive pretty much anything to be a possible threat to the King, but this seemed to be at least somewhat reasonable.
Meruem's ability is called aura synthesis iirc. He essentially absorbs the nen of those he eats and adds it to his own, he can also gain the abilities of those who have probably developed them. It's also why he was born before the queen expected (just my theory).
Before Netero goes into a deep meditation in preparation for fighting the King, he says his nen is on par with Pitous but half as strong as he was in his prime. No way any of the other humans beside maybe Beyond and Ging are up there. Maybe the Dragon zodiac is up there too.
There's reason to believe Pouf might be the strongest RG. When Knov felt his en, he was litierally driven to insanity. Also he struck fear into Youpi's heart when they were on there way to revive the King.
Considering the fact that Hyper gon out right man handled and slaughtered Pitou while looking like he was barely trying, I think its a fair enough assessment to say he might have given the CA King some trouble in a one on one fight. Netero in his prime might have also had a good chance to take out the CA King considering even as an old man over a 100 years old he was an absolute monster who know's what he was like as a young man after his training and meditation in nature.
Why are we speaking hypothetically?
We know , togashi ranked them.
No one is stronger than Reborn King.
NO ONE.
We've seen him in action once, there's nothing you can do against him,
his En is out of this world (and he can even analyze people's state of minds with it)
his destructive power is beyond anything we've seen.
His speed is enough to incapacitate 2 specialists without them even having time to do anything (and Knuckle is a specialist at dodging with incredible experience, so much he can put numbers to compare the auras)
The non reborn King could have killed Netero in a matter of seconds if he wanted, the only things that delayed the inevitable was that the King wanted to break Netero's spirit.
Fullpotential Gon is 2nd,
Non Reborn King is 3rd or equal to FP Gon.
Illumi, Hisoka, Kuroro and the rest are so far behind it's not even funny.
The RG are also absolute monsters, Netero would have been able to hold his own against one of them but he probably would have lost (especially against someone as non standard as Pufu).
this chapter is more grounded and the level shown is appropriate for the characters shown I'd say.
If Hisoka went to Ngl, he would have been Kaito'd.
We know , togashi ranked them.
No one is stronger than Reborn King.
NO ONE.
We've seen him in action once, there's nothing you can do against him,
his En is out of this world (and he can even analyze people's state of minds with it)
his destructive power is beyond anything we've seen.
His speed is enough to incapacitate 2 specialists without them even having time to do anything (and Knuckle is a specialist at dodging with incredible experience, so much he can put numbers to compare the auras)
The non reborn King could have killed Netero in a matter of seconds if he wanted, the only things that delayed the inevitable was that the King wanted to break Netero's spirit.
Fullpotential Gon is 2nd,
Non Reborn King is 3rd or equal to FP Gon.
Illumi, Hisoka, Kuroro and the rest are so far behind it's not even funny.
The RG are also absolute monsters, Netero would have been able to hold his own against one of them but he probably would have lost (especially against someone as non standard as Pufu).
this chapter is more grounded and the level shown is appropriate for the characters shown I'd say.
If Hisoka went to Ngl, he would have been Kaito'd.
Netero says that before he goes into meditation.
No one said Gon was as strong as post rose Meruem. Pitou never had knowledge of post rose Meruem, we're talking about his statement in relation to pre rose. That said I don't think Gon could take on the King.
Both could trash pitou that's for sure.
FP Gon could hurt the King which is beyond what Netero could do.
Beat him? I don't know that's something I would have liked to see that's for sure.
In regard to this current chapter, Pitou would have trashed hisoka when Pitou met with Kaito (same goes for Kuroro who seems to be a better match up against Pufu).
It's weird though Netero is presented as the basically the peak humans can reach and he still couldn't do much so you may have a point.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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I'm going to guess that compared to most things in the DC, humans will have a much lower amount of Nen they can hold/store in their body compared to what we saw with the Guards and the King. So how well one masters and uses their Hatsu will be the biggest factor in surviving against the DC's residents.
Doesn't the DC have it's own species of human too? I assume they will be far tougher and have more aura than "normal" humans too. The Dark Continent will be a true test for the people participating in the expedition.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Some form of humans, really unknown if they are visually similar as the known worlds humans.
grandjedi6
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To talk about power levels with the ants is to entirely misunderstand that arc and what true strength is.
Considering the only undefeated character in the whole arc is Komugi...
HxH is thankfully not Bleach.
Heck we didn't even see Pufu really fight after all the hype that went for it.
And the match up he was line up for had 1 of the guy being out before the whole confrontation even began.
Jigolo
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Netero would've lost to a Royal Guard? lol
SoulUnison
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I bet the Chrollo and his book fighting right now are Gallery Fakes, and he's hiding the Order Stamp under that beanie he swiped from someone.
ã Over HEAVEN ã
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Wouldn't that mean he's using three abilities at once?
Order Stamp, Gallery Fake and Convert Hands.
He won't lol. I can feel it, Hisoka is going to come out on top. But it ain't gonna be easy. Chrollo is a fucking beast.
agentofatlas
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Hisoka got this. I mean Chrollo might have a hundred powers at his disposal and normally it's should be enough to win.
Unfortunately, he's against a magician whose power has the qualities of rubber and gum.
He's toast.
Hisoka still has the cards he's dropping unnoticed.
Oh.. probably with the subs I've watched.
Oh.. probably with the subs I've watched.
Also lets take into account that Pitou was worried that Gon-San could reach the power level of the King without knowing that the King had went further beyond and absorbed the powers of both Pufu and Youpi, maybe if it had seen that then there would be no need to worry about it.
Reborn king was an aberration and the biggest cop out ever. And his total bullshit anticlimatic death of the King and the royal guards dragged down the Chimera arc.
Reborn king was more than invincible, and even more broken than Hao in Shaman King.
Turin Turambar
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Come on, that wasn't enough to ban him.
Wasn't that kind of the point. He was on a level when reborn that a dozen Netero's would most likely been unable to do anything to him but it didn't matter because he was dead before he knew it. The only way he might have survived is if Pitou wasn't getting annhilated by Gon and even then we have no clue if she would have been able to heal the kings radiation poisoning.
Not too mention we got a much more heartfelt end to the King's story and he at least got to go out with the one person he loved.
I- what? I think you're actually the first person who didn't like how that arc played out. The ending is one of the best parts of the arc.
zswordsman
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I thought the way CA ended was great. Mereum gets amazing power only to never use it and die from radiation with his love. Any other shounen would have had him have one last duel with the protagonist.
The entire epilogue of the CA arc is honestly what sealed the deal for me. So many characters who we hadn't seen or even thought about in like 40 or 50 episodes or more than a quarter of the entire show's run only to have them show up and nearly everyone got some sort of conclusion, some of them real tear jerkers like the little girl reuniting with her mother and village who didn't care about the fact she was as a Chimera Ant and so on. Was a really well done denouement to the craziness of the rest of the arc.
The final moments after the Election arc, when all the characters get their conclusion and we got those beautiful word-less scenes, has to be one of the most satisfying endings I have ever read to an arc. It just put such a nice ribbon in the whole storyline, and the very last panel with Komugi and Meruem holding hand and their two pieces right next to them... the feels man. THE FEELS.
The anime nailed this scene so hard, praise madhouse.
That is Netero's assessment to seeing Pitou from afar.
And which one would he have been able to beat?
The one with enough Aura to extend his En so much you can actually see it from space?
The one with an unparalleled knowledge of psychology and Nen?
Or the one that is just an indestructible mindless killing machine with rapid learning?
During the whole course of the arc the only one who actually got dealt any significant damage was Pitou.
Outside of Zero, he has nothing to even hurt them.
The whole point of the invasion is to separate the King and deal with him alone, the 3 teams going against the RG were never meant to defeat the RGs but to delay them into making an opening to deal with the King.
pelicansurf
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Realistically, he would beat all of them. The king was far and beyond the other royal guards. That includes endurance, stamina, toughness, etc. None of them would be able to get close to Netero, since it literally took the king getting knocked around for like, ever, in order to find a slight bias in his moveset. The other ants don't have that kind of processing power, let alone the speed. So even though it may take a bunch of hits to put them down, Netero would put them down.
3 v 1 though he'd probably get wrecked.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Normally I'm right there with you, but Chrollo's explanation just didn't work for me. I followed it, but I was just like "get on with it!"
I think this is kinda like Zeno vs Kuroro situation where depending on the goals of each the result is different.
The RGs are beyond anything but the Kings.
Pitou couldn't keep up but wasn't hurt and while he would be thrown around he still wouldn't be hurt similar to the what happened to the King.
The battle with the King was not even to begin with.
It was basically a game of tag where the King did not even use his Nen.
I think that's probably the scariest part, he beat Netero without needing to use his Nen.
Of course the RG are not anywhere near his level but the fight would certainly be more even than the beatdown we got.
It wasn't a cop-out.
"Chemical Rose" is a Nuke without directly naming Nuke- a massive bomb that leaves mass fallout and illness in its wake. He survives the blast only to die anyway.
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