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Hunter x Hunter Community Thread - OSU!

Kazerei

Banned
No.

Only curses remain after death.

When a person whose ability he stole dies, Chrollo loses the ability.

Chapter 352 though
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I thought it was a curious detail to add. In regards to the fight, it didn't really matter if the person who owned the sun & moon ability was dead or alive, right? I think Togashi added this quirk for a reason. It was clear that Chrollo had Shalnark and Kortopi's abilities during the fight. And in the latest chapter, he asks if Shalnark needs his cellphone back, so it sounds like he hadn't returned their abilities, but it's not clear. I guess we'll find out eventually.
 

Mael

Member
We forget something about the behavior of the spiders, kuroro is there.
He's not as hot headed as Phinks or Feitan and he's in charge.
 

Slaythe

Member
Chapter 352 though


I thought it was a curious detail to add. In regards to the fight, it didn't really matter if the person who owned the sun & moon ability was dead or alive, right? I think Togashi added this quirk for a reason. It was clear that Chrollo had Shalnark and Kortopi's abilities during the fight. And in the latest chapter, he asks if Shalnark needs his cellphone back, so it sounds like he hadn't returned their abilities, but it's not clear. I guess we'll find out eventually.

The only point of sun and moon owner being dead was that the ability applied to objects would also remain if he stops borrowing it.

He does say it's an exception. So no reason to believe the same would happen with Shal and Kor.
 

Kazerei

Banned
The only point of sun and moon owner being dead was that the ability applied to objects would also remain if he stops borrowing it.

He does say it's an exception. So no reason to believe the same would happen with Shal and Kor.

Maybe there is more than one reason to point out the sun and moon owner was dead? Maybe the same exception could happen to Shal and Kor? Does it not seem awfully suspicious that their abilities were featured in the fight and now they're both dead?

I'm just asking questions :>
 
The gap between the RG and Hisoka is so large that nothing that if Kuroro had anything in his arsenal that could work on the RG it would make his fight against Hisoka easier.

I disagree. With Prep [the original argument] I think Chrollo can tussle and defeat a Royal Guard, high difficulty. He has insane powers, even teleportation and he has tons more. He didn't show them against Hisoka for the same reason that Hisoka didn't reveal his Texture Surprise Keeping cards to their chest. His strategy was working, no reason to force it.

If he's unable to use this method against hisoka it means it wouldn't be effective against the RG.
There's probably only Yupi who's dumber than Hisoka and who probably fight too naively.
He compensate that with sheer strength.
From the Chimera ant arc we kinda know the level of the troupe, they're strong but not that strong.
They can defeat most division commander but that's without Pufu's help to begin with. On 1v1 it would take something on the level of the King to have a curbstomp battle against the RG.
Even with a fraction of his strength, Pufu was confident enough that he could dispatch his foes. The issue was that he didn't have time to properly dispose of them.
The interesting thing about Nen battle is the unpredictable nature of the fight where 1 mistake means death.
But the RGs and the King throw into a bin.
We know peak human condition in HxH, that's Netero and he wasn't able to hurt them.
What Kuroro can even throw at them that could?

The gap between Hisoka and Royal Guards is obviously big, the Chrollo with Prep completely and utterly dismantled Hisoka. He barely got touched, and this was a more cautious optomised Chrollo. I fear what would happen from an aggressive Chrollo.
 

Hyun Sai

Member
So a wounded Hisoka is more likely to

a) kill a spider

b) run away

c) kill the two powerless spiders

They won't hold it against her. I don't see why you are arguing.

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Unless you got the following chapters the possibility of dissensions in the spiders is a possibility as it's already happened before. And Hisoka could have killed Machi without any effort there. He let her live for a reason.

And we're not allowed to argue here ? What's the point ? If you can't stand different opinions, it's not really my fault.
 

Mael

Member
I disagree. With Prep [the original argument] I think Chrollo can tussle and defeat a Royal Guard, high difficulty. He has insane powers, even teleportation and he has tons more. He didn't show them against Hisoka for the same reason that Hisoka didn't reveal his Texture Surprise Keeping cards to their chest. His strategy was working, no reason to force it..

If a force dedicated to counter them couldn't do much, Kuroro alone won't be able to do much more.
At the beginning of the fight he even discuss abilities and weaknesses.
You can cover for them with working in a team (or in his case getting more abilities).
Again if not for the Rose, the Ant arc would have finished with the King ruling unopposed and Pitou dead.
Pufu can even create new Hatsu and grant them.
each RG have mastery of one aspect :
Pitou is over life-death and the general inner working of the body,
Pufu is over Nen,
And Yupi is basically over his own self
The gap between Hisoka and Royal Guards is obviously big, the Chrollo with Prep completely and utterly dismantled Hisoka. He barely got touched, and this was a more cautious optomised Chrollo. I fear what would happen from an aggressive Chrollo.
in HxH caution generally wins over pure rage.
That's why Yupi didn't dismantle the invasion force in 2s flat, that's how the King won.
A calm and collected Kuroro is much more dangerous than an aggressive one.
 

Fandangox

Member
So I think people already brought it up here but, the Spiders have a new member right? Uvogin and Pakunoda didn't get replacements (Kalluto replaced Hisoka) so there should be 9 left.
 

Kyuur

Member
To throw myself into the RG fight speculation ring, Mizaistrom could easily subdue pre-Rose King with Cross Game. Combine this with some ridiculous conditional ability (like Hakoware) and they could take him out. Thus, I wager with the correct set of abilities Chrollo could do the same. Nen is way too versatile for generalized power levels. We can argue specific character matchups quite easily but Chrollo is a wildcard unless we just go off the abilities that we know of (which kind of ruins the point of his Hatsu in the first place).

Even with post-Rose King, I can't help but think he is defeatable by a team of Hunters when I remember Greed Island and how it functioned. It would need a super specialized group of course, but doable.
 

Mael

Member
To throw myself into the RG fight speculation ring, Mizaistrom could easily subdue pre-Rose King with Cross Game. Combine this with some ridiculous conditional ability (like Hakoware) and they could take him out. Thus, I wager with the correct set of abilities Chrollo could do the same. Nen is way too versatile for generalized power levels. We can argue specific character matchups quite easily but Chrollo is a wildcard unless we just go off the abilities that we know of (which kind of ruins the point of his Hatsu in the first place).

Even with post-Rose King, I can't help but think he is defeatable by a team of Hunters when I remember Greed Island and how it functioned. It would need a super specialized group of course, but doable.

He explained how his abilities worked.
He has to warn people 1rst.
It's unworkable against someone like the King who can travel great distance in a blink of an eye.
He's part of the Zodiac appointed by Netero so it's safe to say Netero is aware of his skill, I doubt he would have been useful or he would have been sent to NGL in the 1rst place.
Knuckle put it bluntly, if not for the Rose they needed a large team of dedicate user to deal with something so large.
the more I think about it the more it feels like they were kind of like a small calamity from the DC that doomed humanity before. In that light I don't think we have seen any character who could handle something like on his own.
 
Maybe there is more than one reason to point out the sun and moon owner was dead? Maybe the same exception could happen to Shal and Kor? Does it not seem awfully suspicious that their abilities were featured in the fight and now they're both dead?

I'm just asking questions :>

Not really. I think it's more telling that they showed a scene of him saying he hadn't returned their abilities yet before they died. It was a pretty major implication that he's lost those abilities now (and an explanation of why they were powerless fighting back)
 

Kazerei

Banned
Not really. I think it's more telling that they showed a scene of him saying he hadn't returned their abilities yet before they died. It was a pretty major implication that he's lost those abilities now (and an explanation of why they were powerless fighting back)

But there is a case of Chrollo keeping a stolen ability after the original owner died. Is it a coincidence that Togashi introduced that possibility? AM I JUST CRAZY? :p
 

Daingurse

Member
My hunch is that Shalnark and Kortopi's abilities are not going to stay in the book after their deaths. I think if Chrollo keeps their powers then the concept of Nen growing stronger after death might lose some weight. Shit would just be occurring too damn often lately.
 
But there is a case of Chrollo keeping a stolen ability after the original owner died. Is it a coincidence that Togashi introduced that possibility? AM I JUST CRAZY? :p

My guess is that it uses the same loophole that allows the seals to persist even when the book is closed.

You know how if they're affixed to something, as long as they don't explode they stay active? That's probably also the case even if the user dies.

So the whole ability is lost when the owner dies restriction is from nen disappearing when the user dies. However for users whose nen persists after death, becomes stronger, or stays regardless of the user's intervention, this restriction doesn't exist or can be circumvented.
 

Einhander

Member
Now that was a shocking chapter. I don't know how Hisoka intends to kill Nobunaga, Phinks and especially Feitan. They are dangerous Spiders. Unless his nen power-up surpasses the abilities of those three now.
 
Now that was a shocking chapter. I don't know how Hisoka intends to kill Nobunaga, Phinks and especially Feitan. They are dangerous Spiders. Unless his nen power-up surpasses the abilities of those three now.

Easy to kill Phinks, just attack a bungee gum to his arm and after he spins it to charge his attack he hits himself and dies
 
I don't see how Kortopi and Shalnark having their hatsu would've helped them here.

Kortopi got sneak attacked and Shalnark got straight up speed blitzed. Gallery Fake and the remote wouldn't have helped them against that shit.
 

Einhander

Member
I don't see how Kortopi and Shalnark having their hatsu would've helped them here.

Kortopi got sneak attacked and Shalnark got straight up speed blitzed. Gallery Fake and the remote wouldn't have helped them against that shit.

Either way, they were the weaker members. It was an opportune time for Hisoka to off them both. I think it was a stupid idea that he wanted Machi to tell the other Spiders that he's coming for them. That gives them plenty of time to plan for and anticipate his sneak attacks. In fact, he should have killed Machi then and there.
 

Fandangox

Member
Shalnark probably would have had a fighting chance had he had his phone and used the antenna on himself, but he would have most likely lost still.
 
So many parties involved in some way or form with this boat journey!

- The Zodiacs, including Kurapika and Leorio

- Ging and his team

- Pariston

- Beyond and his specialist team

- The Kakan Princes

- The Princes "bodyguards"

- Phantom Troupe and Hisoka?!
 

Daingurse

Member
So many parties involved in some way or form with this boat journey!

- The Zodiacs, including Kurapika and Leorio

- Ging and his team

- Pariston

- Beyond and his specialist team

- The Kakan Princes

- The Princes "bodyguards"

- Phantom Troupe and Hisoka?!

Might be the hypest boat ride ever haha. Shit's going to be an absolute blood bath before they even hit the Dark Continent.
 

GG-Duo

Member
in HxH caution generally wins over pure rage.
That's why Yupi didn't dismantle the invasion force in 2s flat, that's how the King won.
A calm and collected Kuroro is much more dangerous than an aggressive one.

True, but there was foreshadowing in the Zeno Zoldyck fight that a Chrollo that is out for blood is a different beast than just when he's just trying to win a battle.
 

Daingurse

Member
True, but there was foreshadowing in the Zeno Zoldyck fight that a Chrollo that is out for blood is a different beast than just when he's just trying to win a battle.

Yeah, we still haven't seen Chrollo go all out yet at all. And despite this, we've seen him survive an encounter with two Zoldycks at once, and just straight up dismantle Hisoka. With Hisoka on the hunt actively killing Troupe members, we might actually see some bloodlust from Chrollo. He was so damn detached while fighting Hisoka, he must have really been irritated by his badgering.
 

Permanently A

Junior Member
Chapter 352 though


I thought it was a curious detail to add. In regards to the fight, it didn't really matter if the person who owned the sun & moon ability was dead or alive, right? I think Togashi added this quirk for a reason. It was clear that Chrollo had Shalnark and Kortopi's abilities during the fight. And in the latest chapter, he asks if Shalnark needs his cellphone back, so it sounds like he hadn't returned their abilities, but it's not clear. I guess we'll find out eventually.

Chrollo can use two nen abilities at once, the one his book is open to and the bookmarked one. But in the fight he was using several at once - Gallery Fake, Sun and Moon, Black Voice, and Order Stamp. He was able to do this because nen is stronger postmortem. He used Gallery Fake to make the puppets, and Sun and Moon to stamp them. Then when he switched off Gallery Fake, the puppets should have disappeared, but they didn't because the Sun and Moon stamps are stronger nen than Gallery Fake, and the stamps can't disappear until they touch each other and and explode.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Togashi is going to pack the boat with all these parties waiting to explode and make it the most uneventful trip ever.
 
Chrollo can use two nen abilities at once, the one his book is open to and the bookmarked one. But in the fight he was using several at once - Gallery Fake, Sun and Moon, Black Voice, and Order Stamp. He was able to do this because nen is stronger postmortem. He used Gallery Fake to make the puppets, and Sun and Moon to stamp them. Then when he switched off Gallery Fake, the puppets should have disappeared, but they didn't because the Sun and Moon stamps are stronger nen than Gallery Fake, and the stamps can't disappear until they touch each other and and explode.

I don't think it had anything to do with post mortem nen or "stronger" nen. I think the stamps no disappearing was just a property of the S&M ability that allowed him that loophole
 

Einhander

Member
I'd like to see Kurapika and Hisoka working together in fighting the remaining Spiders. Maybe certain circumstances will force Kurapika to fight alongside Hisoka while they are on the boat.
 

dabig2

Member
Man, I'm so hyped after this latest chapter! I can't help but root for the psychopathic clown. I'm glad he didn't die die. I like some of the spiders (Machi and the 2 Zoldyck bros mainly) but generally I'll be hoping Hisoka succeeds in his slaughter parade. As if I couldn't get more hype for the boat trip from hell enough. Hope the hiatuses aren't too crazy...
 

Lulubop

Member
Man, I'm so hyped after this latest chapter! I can't help but root for the psychopathic clown. I'm glad he didn't die die. I like some of the spiders (Machi and the 2 Zoldyck bros mainly) but generally I'll be hoping Hisoka succeeds in his slaughter parade. As if I couldn't get more hype for the boat trip from hell enough. Hope the hiatuses aren't too crazy...

Kalluto is the only Zoldyck in the Spiders. But yes, they are the best. Although since Hisoka says 10 more to go, there should be a new member.

btw wasn't Gyro heading to Meteor City?
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Weren't those 5000 Chimera Ant eggs supposed to have hatched by this point? I was wondering how they were going to come into play and if in any significant manner. I believe Pariston wanted to take them to the Dark Continent right? Foot soldiers or something?
 

kirblar

Member
Weren't those 5000 Chimera Ant eggs supposed to have hatched by this point? I was wondering how they were going to come into play and if in any significant manner. I believe Pariston wanted to take them to the Dark Continent right? Foot soldiers or something?
Hunter Exam.
 
I'd like to see Kurapika and Hisoka working together in fighting the remaining Spiders. Maybe certain circumstances will force Kurapika to fight alongside Hisoka while they are on the boat.
Depends on how much Kurapika knows about Chrollo gaining his Nen back. If he doesn't know Hisoka was behind that and then finds out later, that could be really interesting especially if he turns on Hisoka mid-ship ride.

btw wasn't Gyro heading to Meteor City?
Welfin guessed that Gyro would be going there. But I figure that Gyro won't show up until after the Dark Continent at the earliest.
 

Permanently A

Junior Member
I don't think it had anything to do with post mortem nen or "stronger" nen. I think the stamps no disappearing was just a property of the S&M ability that allowed him that loophole

Page 3 of chapter 355

"The copies and seals are protected by nen which becomes stronger after death and will not disappear"
 
Man, I'm so hyped after this latest chapter! I can't help but root for the psychopathic clown. I'm glad he didn't die die. I like some of the spiders (Machi and the 2 Zoldyck bros mainly) but generally I'll be hoping Hisoka succeeds in his slaughter parade. As if I couldn't get more hype for the boat trip from hell enough. Hope the hiatuses aren't too crazy...
I can't wait to see Hisoka get his shit pushed in again.
 

Daingurse

Member
I need to reread the manga already. I don't remember any of that. They were used against participants? That seems... unfair lol

Pariston intended to use them during the next Hunter Exam before he left the Zodiacs. I think the Ants are going to be used now as fodder/foot soldiers for the expedition, under Ging's orders.
 

balgajo

Member
I don't know many time has passed since a really liked a character as I like Hisoka after watching HxH. Hoping for him to crush the Spiders.
 
Page 3 of chapter 355

"The copies and seals are protected by nen which becomes stronger after death and will not disappear"

Ah good call. Well that further supports my hypothesis that that's also the only reason Chrollo can keep the ability despite the owner being dead. That restriction probably only applies if the nen "died" with the owner
 

dabig2

Member
Just out of curiosity, I decided to make this a poll. Who here is rooting for who? There is also an indifferent option if you don't care either way.

Well, already made it known that I'm team Hisoka all the way. He's a more intriguing character. I usually love wildcards like him in my fictional stories. And I want him to interact more with Ging, Gon, and Killua down the line and also have some fun over in the Dark Continent. I also demand retribution for Baise and Squala. Blood for blood.
 
I think the most important thing to take from this chapter is... the fact that Hisoka is crazy. We may have forgotten that, as he has appeared in lots of arcs, some times as ally, where he has been "reduced" to someone who happens to love to fight strong opponents. No, no, he always was nuts, as this chapter remind us with who we are dealing. He is the Joker of HxH.

What he does when he resurrects? He laughs and say "oops fighting Chrollo in those conditions was a bit too much &#9827;. Reality sure how to give you a wake up call! &#9829;". He was close of saying "me so baka! >_<"
He is offered help to heal his wounds and disfigured face and he chooses to be a zombie like mesh of nen and flesh for life. And then he goes out prancing and happy as if nothing happened.


Did Chrollo have help form the RG members in the fight? I opt over the "yes" side. There are clues like that panel with Hisoka's comment of the fishing line (when the Black Voice's antenna mysteriously disappear). The fight ended and that little mystery seemed to amount to nothing, but this chapter reminded me of a nen user specialized in similar "fishing lines" threads, Machi! What was the point of that panel, if not to give a clue of what was really happening? Narratively speaking, it served no other purpose. The other point that seemed suspect is when Hisoka (which despite losing this fight clearly he is around Chrollo's level) estimated 30 more clones, and then 200 attack them. If Korotopi was doing clones and Chrollo just using the stamp and seals he would produces the clones much faster than acting alone.
Finally, the three RG members were in the building as they quickly recovered the body to be sure he was dead.

Obviously the fact Hisoka's crazy gambit worked is... Togashi. To make it work, it was needed that his body wasn't very damaged (he really die by suffocation), and then Machi happens to join head and neck, and for his nen after death work, and then Togashi played loose with things like brain's oxygen deprivation. It feels a bill bullshit, and mainly because nen is supposed to survive after death in rare cases, usually associated with great grudges (a bit like the idea in fiction that spirits staying on the world after death if there is a big grudge still pending). It didn't feel like Hisoka has a great grudge, he was more "oh well I'm going to try this..."

I wonder if, given how nen conditions/pledges work, Hisoka has received a boost because he limited himself to not fix his hand and foot and not look for help, so the nen used to replace them is stronger than normal.

About if Hisoka killed the spider members because they didn't have powers in that moment, we don't know. Chrollo may had returned them back, releasing them from the book, but in Shalnark's case the phone is physical object so that's why Chrollo asked if he wanted it now. I think the main cause Hisoka had an easy time with them was the pure surprise factor (combined with the fact they didn't know Hisoka's new plan). If you aren't someone like a strong enhancer, who gets to give the first hist is very important.
 
The little shitty chicken spiders are bunch of asshole no life maggots killers. Hisoka is the perfect asshole to end their pathetic miserable lives.

Hisoka is an ex-spider and also a generally terrible person, but we'll want to root for him because he's essentially the fifth main character.

His crusade against the Spiders isn't righteous or understandable like Kurapika, he's just pissed now. I wonder if Hisoka will get cocky that he killed two of the physically weakest members in a surprise attack, because that's not going to work on Phinks, Feitan and Nobunaga - especially if they vow revenge and team up.
 
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