Tommie Hu$tle
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Anyone see Halliburton/KBR getting a no bid contract on rebuiliding NO?
I know I do.
I know I do.
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Hurricane Katrina Thread: Any LA Gaffers?
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Why would i do that? Besides, my skepticism isn't aimed at the people actually doing the rescues, but the ones who decide where to direct the rescue efforts.Squirrel Killer said:I wonder how far into the ground your ass would be beaten if you said that to one of the rescuers.
Also, i was about to edit my post with the following:
i'd go into this further, but i don't want this thread to parallel the AP photo caption thread.
Squirrel Killer
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What is it about the internet that makes people come up with retarded conspiracy theories about shit that they know nothing about? I'd change my comment to "I wonder how far into the ground your ass would be beaten if you said that to one of the people directing the rescue efforts," but I don't want to take a chance that you'd actually do that and distract them from setting up their precious photo ops.aoi tsuki said:
Tommie Hu$tle
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AB 101 said:I understand.
You just could not help yourself.
A dollars gotta be made somewhere man. I mean who else could unflood the city?
Fragamemnon
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A few updates:
- CNN is reporting a fire near Bourbon St. and Canal.
- Lawless areas seem to be growing. People are arming themselves with looted weaponry, according to WWLTV.
- Floodwaters seem to be rising in Uptown-an area that was pretty dry yesterday, if I recall.
- CNN is reporting a fire near Bourbon St. and Canal.
- Lawless areas seem to be growing. People are arming themselves with looted weaponry, according to WWLTV.
- Floodwaters seem to be rising in Uptown-an area that was pretty dry yesterday, if I recall.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Fragamemnon said:
Uptown isn't a place where you want to have lawlessness. This should be a lesson for those in crisis mgt. When you have something like like this coming the police force should collect and store all ammo from the stores (at a min).
Scalemail Ted
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WWL TV is streaming news coverage through their site once again:
http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad
http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad
VisionaryQuest0
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Scalemail Ted said:
Just curious. WWL TV is a New Orleans station right? Why are they still broadcasting? Shouldn't they be trying to get out of the city too?
Phoenix
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Tommie Hu$tle said:
Well here are the big things:
1) Make sure that the police have their own independent stockpile of fuel for their cars - if the police can't get to a location, for all practical purposes there is no law there and that area will degenerate quickly
2) Get a stronger police presence on the streets - an impression that there is no law and order (no police on the streets or on TV) will become that situation shortly
3) Set up places where you can store prisoners early and have backup locations close to the trouble spots
4) Get out on the streets broadcasting to warn people and deter them from their actions
Red Scarlet
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This weekend is going to be scary. I hope SOME good news comes out of anywhere hit, soon.
Some of the responses on CNN about "looters" is appalling. I'd be right there trying to survive too. Even TV's..those people probably lost everything, what's a TV when trying to get something of value for when you get out to try restarting your life from nothing.
BTW Phoenix, I wish your original statements were the extent of what happened..major props for what you are doing currently and this weekend.
Some of the responses on CNN about "looters" is appalling. I'd be right there trying to survive too. Even TV's..those people probably lost everything, what's a TV when trying to get something of value for when you get out to try restarting your life from nothing.
BTW Phoenix, I wish your original statements were the extent of what happened..major props for what you are doing currently and this weekend.
VisionaryQuest0
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MIMIC said:
Well you gotta think, once the water is gone, where is everybody going to stay in NO. Most if not all houses, apartments, hotels and shelters are pretty much unlivable and may need to be torn down due to the hurricane, water damage and definite infestations. It won't take weeks, it'll take years to get people back to living there.
Red Scarlet
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dem said:
Maybe. Even $40 is better than $0.
Phoenix
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MIMIC said:
Once the levees started breaking, it was all but assured. When the breaks weren't plugged yesterday, that pretty much sealed the city's fate. I for one will admit that while I expected parts of the city to flood (Treme), I had no expectation that the levees AND the flood walls would be topped and breached. I certainly didn't expect that any of the canals would be breached. At that point it was like shattering rib bones - the internal bleeding just slowly starts to kill you and there isn't much you can do to prevent it unless you can get to the problem. Since there were so few helicopters available, it was determined that it was more important to rescue people rather than try to preserve property... that would result in other people needing to be rescued. But for the levee breaks, New Orleans would have weathered the storm with fairly minor damage throughout.
Don't worry people of New Orleans, President Bush feels your pain, from 5000 feet.
And for those who are, perhaps, a tad upset over the state of affairs, here's a quite an outpouring from someone who's none too happy about things (excerpt below). Unfortunately for Raoul, this former Soviet lady is married.
I'm going to have to quit reading the news at this rate. It's getting to be far too much.
And for those who are, perhaps, a tad upset over the state of affairs, here's a quite an outpouring from someone who's none too happy about things (excerpt below). Unfortunately for Raoul, this former Soviet lady is married.
I'm going to have to quit reading the news at this rate. It's getting to be far too much.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Phoenix said:
Yeah, I'm just looking at things that disaster mgt would want to look at for situations like this in the future. The problem here with the lawlessness is that they have a choice save lives and handle the lawlessness OR handle the lawlessness and risk more lives. They have chosen wisely.
The problem is going to be in the next few days when diesase and hunger REALLY kick in and the vast majority of resouces have been lost. The best thing these people can attempt to do is make their way to the Superdome and try and get as many as they can for saftey and groups smaller than 20 are probably in danger.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Bush's whole reputation is built off of profitting off disaters. That's all he has.
Macam, I really can't dig that post. The writer is really misguided I mean how can you just cover one person in a disater like this? Lets call Aruba girl what she is a good news story for a slow news cycle. That's all there is to it. I mean but just like Sept 11 or the Tusnami the devistation here is too great for us to be focusing on one person and the destruction goes across two to three states.
Yes there is some fact that yes there are a lot of Black faces there but, it is a Black city what do you expect? Also people always kill me with the whole Bush is on vacation thing. We live in the 21st century anything he can do at the White House he can do from his house the govenment doesn't stop when he goes to Crawford.
She make a point that black people are poor and that poor people suffer the most in situations like these but she doesn't tell us anything we don't already know and most importatnly she doesn't provide any solutions about how to change it even if we could change it.
That being said this isn't about Black or white this is pure Darwinism. Organisims with more resoureces fare better than organismims with less. What the situation in NO is, is simply survival of the weakest since the strongest took to higher ground days ago.
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Also I think that it is a good thing that officals haven't been focusing on the body count. I for one am glad that they are focused on the rescue efforts.
Pack of Wild Rats
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I've been following this on here for the past few days, and this is just terrible. The number of deaths is just going to be to high to comprehend after the diseases start. =/
With regards to Tommy's post:
Her point regarding television coverage isn't that it's focused on a single person, just that the networks aren't necessarily focused on the real issues, and instead focusing on, for example, looting while not providing the necessary context, as noted in the looting thread, that these people are trying to survive. Darwinism, as you say. I can't say for sure since I don't have television broadcasting, but it's a long-standing complaint and a noted one.
Regarding Bush and his vacations, it's not that he's on vacation per se that's the issue; it's that he's always on vacation, slow to react, and at a time when he's asking people for sacrifices, he offers none of his own. The sheer amount of disasters we've seen in the last few years, domestically and internationally, does not justify 50 vacations in 5 years, breaking the record for most vacations for a two-term president....in 5 years. Again, it's a matter of context. That's her point regarding the vacations. For the record, whether he has the capability or not to work from Crawford, his recent activities have not been things he would do at the White House, so he's certainly continuing to vacation on some level.
I don't necessarily agree with her entirely, though I do agree with her passionate outburst of frustration and anger. I posted it partially tongue-in-cheek to accompany the picture and partially to tie it into a political context, which, while still depressing, is a bit easier to swallow then having to sort through some of the details that are cropping up.
Her point regarding television coverage isn't that it's focused on a single person, just that the networks aren't necessarily focused on the real issues, and instead focusing on, for example, looting while not providing the necessary context, as noted in the looting thread, that these people are trying to survive. Darwinism, as you say. I can't say for sure since I don't have television broadcasting, but it's a long-standing complaint and a noted one.
Regarding Bush and his vacations, it's not that he's on vacation per se that's the issue; it's that he's always on vacation, slow to react, and at a time when he's asking people for sacrifices, he offers none of his own. The sheer amount of disasters we've seen in the last few years, domestically and internationally, does not justify 50 vacations in 5 years, breaking the record for most vacations for a two-term president....in 5 years. Again, it's a matter of context. That's her point regarding the vacations. For the record, whether he has the capability or not to work from Crawford, his recent activities have not been things he would do at the White House, so he's certainly continuing to vacation on some level.
I don't necessarily agree with her entirely, though I do agree with her passionate outburst of frustration and anger. I posted it partially tongue-in-cheek to accompany the picture and partially to tie it into a political context, which, while still depressing, is a bit easier to swallow then having to sort through some of the details that are cropping up.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Macam said:
Understood.
So, here's an example of where we can and should bash Bush on his handling of the new crisis.
Source is June 8, 2004 Times-Picayune, not available online. (A recent criticism is here.)
For the first time in 37 years, federal budget cuts have all but stopped major work on the New Orleans area's east bank hurricane levees, a complex network of concrete walls, metal gates and giant earthen berms that won't be finished for at least another decade.
"I can't tell you exactly what that could mean this hurricane season if we get a major storm," Naomi said. "It would depend on the path and speed of the storm, the angle that it hits us.
"But I can tell you that we would be better off if the levees were raised, . . . and I think it's important and only fair that those people who live behind the levee know the status of these projects."
"It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay," Maestri said. "Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
We saved about 30 or 40 million dollars in the past three years by not working so much on the levees. This money, of course, went to other areas *cough* Iraq *cough*.
Anyone want to guess how much the flooding is going to cost us now? I'll give you a hint, the governor of Louisiana just ordered New Orleans evacuated.
(And that's aside from the fact that people have died.)
Source is June 8, 2004 Times-Picayune, not available online. (A recent criticism is here.)
For the first time in 37 years, federal budget cuts have all but stopped major work on the New Orleans area's east bank hurricane levees, a complex network of concrete walls, metal gates and giant earthen berms that won't be finished for at least another decade.
"I can't tell you exactly what that could mean this hurricane season if we get a major storm," Naomi said. "It would depend on the path and speed of the storm, the angle that it hits us.
"But I can tell you that we would be better off if the levees were raised, . . . and I think it's important and only fair that those people who live behind the levee know the status of these projects."
"It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay," Maestri said. "Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
We saved about 30 or 40 million dollars in the past three years by not working so much on the levees. This money, of course, went to other areas *cough* Iraq *cough*.
Anyone want to guess how much the flooding is going to cost us now? I'll give you a hint, the governor of Louisiana just ordered New Orleans evacuated.
(And that's aside from the fact that people have died.)
Didn't you hear him during the election? It's hard work, people. Can't a nigga take a break?Macam said:
Seriously though, I can't imagine the deathtoll being in the thousands. That's kinda crazy. I don't know why they're worrying so damn much about looters. Fuck it, that shit's insured and a writeoff. Petty crime don't mean shit at a time like this. Use all those police to commandeer as many boats as possible and do search and rescue. I'm sure along with homes, a lot the food supply has been destroyed. You can't leave people sitting on rooftops or balconies for much longer. The water supply has to be the biggest concern. PEACE.
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Let's hope so.
The Chosen One
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I can't believe how things went from bad, to worse, to utter castrophe...
I too haven't really been following the news since late Monday morning. I thought New Orleans experienced some mild wind damage and moderate flooding, but were pretty much spared from catastrophic damage. Two days later I read that half the city is now literally under water (with water still rising) and there's a possibility of over 1000 people dead. Everytime I turn my back on this storm, it just gets worse and worse.
I've been through several hurricanes myself. I've experienced hurricane Hugo, which was one of the strongest storms to hit the US in decades back in 1989. With all the other storms such as Andrew, Ivan, and etc I could sympathize since I knew how bad it could get from personal experience. But it terms of devastation in the aftermath, Katrina blows all those other storms away. This is truly the first time where I can't relate with the victims on a personal level because the damage and effect is so unprecedented.
I too haven't really been following the news since late Monday morning. I thought New Orleans experienced some mild wind damage and moderate flooding, but were pretty much spared from catastrophic damage. Two days later I read that half the city is now literally under water (with water still rising) and there's a possibility of over 1000 people dead. Everytime I turn my back on this storm, it just gets worse and worse.
I've been through several hurricanes myself. I've experienced hurricane Hugo, which was one of the strongest storms to hit the US in decades back in 1989. With all the other storms such as Andrew, Ivan, and etc I could sympathize since I knew how bad it could get from personal experience. But it terms of devastation in the aftermath, Katrina blows all those other storms away. This is truly the first time where I can't relate with the victims on a personal level because the damage and effect is so unprecedented.
by the way. does seeing the President make anyone feel WORSE about this? Like... we look for a leader, and when we look up we see Dubya standing there with his eyes squinting, staring out the window like a kid looking at all the "cars that look like ants" from an airplane?
Outlaw Pro Mod
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New Orleans has become the Pyramid Song...
Outlaw Pro Mod
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Take the blinders off numbnuts. What do you want him to do - put some floaties on and go greet the looters?
Why am I not surprised that this thread has degenerated to yet another GAF thread pushing one's political agendas? Who gives a shit about party lines at a time like this? The federal government is getting involved, but nay we've got to be cynical because we don't agree with Republicans holding the presidential office? You guys really suck at times.
One thing that came to mind is that Katrina's impact as both a storm and a disaster were both time-delayed. First a minor cat 1 hurricane of little report that later became a record setting monster overnight and left many without time to evacuate. Then at landfall it first appeared to have dealt managable damage to New Orleans, only for us to discover that it was a death blow from which we're still starting to feel the true effects. This isn't unlike the small gash that ended up sinking the Titanic.
...and I'm just talking about New Orleans here.
...and I'm just talking about New Orleans here.
TheKingsCrown
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What do you guys think? Should New Orleans be rebuilt? Do all of these human and financial consequences about which we are talking undermine the future value of that city?
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