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Hurricane Katrina Thread: Any LA Gaffers?

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Phoenix said:
You'd have to be retarded to believe this will be fixed in 12 or 16 weeks. Even if you could drain out the water today, and even if you could restore power today, and even if you could restore sewage today, even if you could clean up everything today, even if you could restore phone service today, even if you could get roads repaired today, even if you could get the toxic mess cleaned up today, even if you could build levees that could withstand category 5 hurricanes today, even if you could get people all of their belongings today, even if you could get the mold cleaned today, even if you could have houses rebuilt today, even if you could raise the partially sunken barges and ships in the river today, even if you could restore order today, even if you could get all your hospitals working today, even if you could get all the dead accounted for today, even if you could get all of the disease, snakes, rats, etc. today, even if you could get all of the money you possibly needed TODAY;

there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you could get the businesses up and running and people gainfully employed in 12 to 16 weeks. I knew the city had a problem with crack, but clearly many of our politicians in New Orleans are still inhaling deeply from the crack pipe. Even if they rush it, it would be wrecklessly dangerous to even attempt to get everything 'fixed' in 12 to 16 weeks.
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Good post Pheonix. This is a disastor with a magnitude that is incomprehensible. I am honestly wondering, and maybe you could help me out with this....what is going to happen to the population of NO? I mean seriously, not just their health but their financial well being? With all the destruction of the city, these people are obviously going to have to be deported out...but to where? Some have relatives out of state, but others? Whole families who've lived all their lives in NO....what about them? They can't just get up and get a job and buy a house out of the blue....so what are they gonna do?
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isamu said:
Good post Pheonix. This is a disastor with a magnitude that is incomprehensible. I am honestly wondering, and maybe you could help me out with this....what is going to happen to the population of NO? I mean seriously, not just their health but their financial well being? With all the destruction of the city, these people are obviously going to have to be deported out...but to where? Some have relatives out of state, but others? Whole families who've lived all their lives in NO....what about them? They can't just get up and get a job and buy a house out of the blue....so what are they gonna do?
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Life, uhh...finds a way.
 
demon said:
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Life, uhh...finds a way.
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ROTFLMAO! Cute... real cute. ;)

It's true though... these people will make it... somehow, someway... not everyone the same way, but a majority of this folks will make it. This country is f*cked but in terms of need we do care for our own.. how long we care for them unfortunately tends to vary...
 
TheKingsCrown said:
What do you guys think? Should New Orleans be rebuilt? Do all of these human and financial consequences about which we are talking undermine the future value of that city?
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Good question. I'm sure they'll rebuild it cuz of its historical significance but whether that is the smartest/prudest thing to do is the real question.
 
FEMA really doesn't have a plan for this they've admitted. They say that what they will try to do is basically build a refugee camp until they can come up with places (likely the equivalent of new age projects) where they can house large numbers of people until they can get them pretty much distributed throughout the united states. It should be noted that there is NO real plan at this point because no one has ever really seriously considered what would happen if an American city was just plain wiped out.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
What do you guys think? Should New Orleans be rebuilt? Do all of these human and financial consequences about which we are talking undermine the future value of that city?
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When the waters recede, we'll know more about the state of the city's infrastructure. It isn't impossible to rebuild the city, but the costs, the dead bodies that haven't even been seen, much less recovered or pushed aside in favor of the living, the effects on the refugee population (would they want to return at all? how many would stay clear?), et cetera et cetera. A good time to ask is next year, but certainly New Orleans as America knew it it ended on Monday.
 
According to www.wwltv.com

BREAKING NEWS: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin has declared martial law in the city. Details to come.

7:32 P.M. - N.O. Mayor Ray Nagin declares Martial law in the city and directs the city's 1,500-person police force to do "whatever it takes" to gain back control of the city. He will also enlist the aid of troops.
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I'm suprised it wasn't done sooner.
 
Phoenix said:
FEMA really doesn't have a plan for this they've admitted. They say that what they will try to do is basically build a refugee camp until they can come up with places (likely the equivalent of new age projects) where they can house large numbers of people until they can get them pretty much distributed throughout the united states. It should be noted that there is NO real plan at this point because no one has ever really seriously considered what would happen if an American city was just plain wiped out.
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I can't help but be stupefied to read something like this. Refugee camps.

Ark-AMN: there were questions about the state constitution allowing a martial law declaration.
 
As absurd as this might sound, I think NO should be rebuilt but in a different location if at all possible. The city was always a giant risk by being below sea level so close to the gulf. I don't know how feasible it would be to try to rebuild in an entirely new location but this isn't the last major hurricane that area will see. Though the next one most likely won't be as damaging, it's still foolish to take such an unnecessary risk by rebuilding NO in the same spot.
 
Ark-AMN said:
According to www.wwltv.com



I'm suprised it wasn't done sooner.
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didn't the LA governor declare martial law in the area a couple days ago? I remember them talking about it on the news - saying the last time it was done was in Hawaii during WW2.
 
They're showing a woman sitting next to her dead husband on cbs...she claims that cops wouldn't help her move/bury the body and that she might have to do it herself. This is messed up
 
belgurdo said:
They're showing a woman sitting next to her dead husband on cbs...she claims that cops wouldn't help her move/bury the body and that she might have to do it herself. This is messed up
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Maybe the cops have to worry about dealing with the armed gangs thanks to people clearing out gun shops? They have to worry about the safety of everyone first.
 
ratcliffja said:
As absurd as this might sound, I think NO should be rebuilt but in a different location if at all possible. The city was always a giant risk by being below sea level so close to the gulf. I don't know how feasible it would be to try to rebuild in an entirely new location but this isn't the last major hurricane that area will see. Though the next one most likely won't be as damaging, it's still foolish to take such an unnecessary risk by rebuilding NO in the same spot.
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Sure its possible, but think about this...if New Orleans wasn't under sea level there would be no levees. With no levees and above sea level, New Orleans would STILL be screwed - just from wind and storm surge.... just like Bay St. Louis, Biloxi etc. Mobile, AL might be a good location to look. Mobile is a port city on the bay - suffered terrible flooding, damage, etc. and it was at the furthest extent of the storm.
 
Shit, I'm watching the live news feed for WWLTV and you can see the levee break from 5,000 feet. On the west side, COMPLETELY dry. On the breached side, COMPLETELY under water.

:-(
 
ManaByte said:
Maybe the cops have to worry about dealing with the armed gangs thanks to people clearing out gun shops? They have to worry about the safety of everyone first.
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Yeah, the police and national guard have been given specific instructions to place the search for living survivors and stopping looters as their #1 priority. Sucks that the lady's husband died, but he's dead, and preventing even further deaths is far more important than burying a body.
 
FEMA contact my architecture firm and requested that we field a team of architects to support the NO disaster... I didn't ask for details so I'm not sure way....
 
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Ugh.

Those poor people have to worry about:

-Finding shelter
-Disease
-The possibility of getting robbed and/or shot
-Finding work
-Taking care of their kids if they have any

What a nightmare. :(

This is the decade's 9/11 of natural disasters, domestically anyway.
 
why do these idiots at CNN set up these phone interviews with people from FEMA or from one of the hospitals, then it seems like they wont let them finish talking or they try to rush them to get to the next commercial. twice today ive heard them try to cut in and ask a question with no success. its kind of funny how long this one guy kept talking past the many attempted interruptions.
 
ya know... this may be worse than 9/11. If the diseases get going, like Cholera and typhoid, ugh... all it takes is one rescue worker to bring one person back to a refugee camp with cholera, and it's all over.
 
hgplayer1 said:
why do these idiots at CNN set up these phone interviews with people from FEMA or from one of the hospitals, then it seems like they wont let them finish talking or they try to rush them to get to the next commercial. twice today ive heard them try to cut in and ask a question with no success. its kind of funny how long this one guy kept talking past the many attempted interruptions.
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CAROL LET ME TALK!
 
What surprises me is with all the complete chaos and lawlessness, we haven't heard more reports of shooting and killings of policemen/looters.
 
PotatoeMasher said:
Digital Globe has one before and after of New Orleans in high res...
http://www.digitalglobe.com/katrina_gallery.html

Before
After

Takes a bit to realize what's underwater, but the before gives a scary idea of just how many houses are in this particular area...

EDIT: New Orleans is ravaged with flooding, but the pure damage to Biloxi is frightening...
http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/katrina/biloxi_coast_8_31_05_dg.jpg
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I had difficulty viewing that image, so if others have this problem, globalsecurity has this:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/new-orleans_050830_image-oi04b.htm
 
That's not actually all of New Orleans - barely the BEGINNING of New Orleans east which is the area that is supposed to be hardest hit.
 
Lardbutt said:
What surprises me is with all the complete chaos and lawlessness, we haven't heard more reports of shooting and killings of policemen/looters.
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Well that sort of stuff may be slow in coming out as the press had to leave downtown as well.
 
Nerevar said:
saying the last time it was done was in Hawaii during WW2.
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Yup, but Martial Law was imposed in New Orleans in the War of 1812 after Jackson liberated it. So this is the second time in the cities history when it happened.
 
My employer is sending a team out to Louisiana to help in search and rescue operations etc. I volunteered for it today so I'll probably be heading out tomorrow morning or afternoon. Yipee. I have to bring my own food and water until they can set up a real command and distribution area out there.
 
Mupepe said:
My employer is sending a team out to Louisiana to help in search and rescue operations etc. I volunteered for it today so I'll probably be heading out tomorrow morning or afternoon. Yipee. I have to bring my own food and water until they can set up a real command and distribution area out there.
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Bug spray...bring lots and lots of bug spray. I have a feeling the mosquito problem just got a whole lot worse. :( PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
Bug spray...bring lots and lots of bug spray. I have a feeling the mosquito problem just got a whole lot worse. :( PEACE.
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Man, I forgot about bug spray actually. thanks =\
 
From the blog from NO:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

"until we get a military presence of signicance in the city, the roving gangs of thugs own the streets."

"The people in the city are shooting at the police. They're upset that they're not getting help quickly enough. The fireman keep calling because they're under fire. He doesn't understand why the people are shooting at the rescuers. Here it is 5 days ago the Mayor said get out of town and nobody went and now they're pissed."
 
ManaByte said:
From the blog from NO:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

"until we get a military presence of signicance in the city, the roving gangs of thugs own the streets."

"The people in the city are shooting at the police. They're upset that they're not getting help quickly enough. The fireman keep calling because they're under fire. He doesn't understand why the people are shooting at the rescuers. Here it is 5 days ago the Mayor said get out of town and nobody went and now they're pissed."
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That's nuts, I just posted in the thread about his blog. I hope they arm us at least.
 
Mupepe said:
My employer is sending a team out to Louisiana to help in search and rescue operations etc. I volunteered for it today so I'll probably be heading out tomorrow morning or afternoon. Yipee. I have to bring my own food and water until they can set up a real command and distribution area out there.
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I'm not quite ready to head out to N.O. myself to help out, cause, as it is, I barely have any cash and need to keep my job. This sunday/monday though when I'm off, I'm planning on heading out to the Astrodome if at all possible (I'm sure I can get through the parking lot with my Parking pass.) And see if I can help out in any way. We have a garage full of clothes that either don't fit us other relatives didn't care for anymore, so I'm planning on cleaning out my closet of stuff that doesn't fit me anymore but is still in useable condition and seeing if I can donate it there.

I'd much rather the clothing go straight to the ones who need it immediately, rather than drop it off at red cross for them to just send it to a resale shop and make some cash off of it and then god knows where it goes.

Anyway, That's enough for today.
 
Look at the aerial photograph of Biloxi, it seems possible that several tornadoes tore through the town. Hurricane force winds alone usually don't obliterate buildings like that...
 
Ark-AMN said:
According to www.wwltv.com
I'm suprised it wasn't done sooner.
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It was done before but that was the try and get the city under control. Now, it's about stopping what is the equlivent of an domestic insurgency. NO police aren't known for their kind demanor anyways and the Mayor just removed the brakes. It's cold but I say it's good if anyone out there is just shooting to be shooting then they need to be taken out ASAP so that the rescures can rescue.


ToxicAdam said:
Doesn't New Orleans bury thier dead above ground? I wonder if any of those remains floated away also.
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LOTS it is contributing to the toxic water.
 
Mupepe said:
My employer is sending a team out to Louisiana to help in search and rescue operations etc. I volunteered for it today so I'll probably be heading out tomorrow morning or afternoon. Yipee. I have to bring my own food and water until they can set up a real command and distribution area out there.
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Tits? :(

Good luck and tit speed dude.
 
The Chosen One said:
Look at the aerial photograph of Biloxi, it seems possible that several tornadoes tore through the town. Hurricane force winds alone usually don't obliterate buildings like that...
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I'm pretty sure that was from the storm surge.
 
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