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Growing up in Ms,all through history classes they would always show pictures of Camille, these pics of the coast are far worse. It was just by chance I was visiting my sister in Fl.I 'm going to try and get back to Ms on Friday and bring with me all the water and tools I can carry. I have family in Gulfport who did not leave because they survived Camille, but What I have seen of the area I can not even reconize a place I have lived my whole life. I sure my family is alright, but the not knowing and unable to communicate does not make it easy. I hope by Friday I can get back home...
 
E-mail attributed to NO rescue worker:(here's the link)

"There are dead animals floating in the water, pets left behind. Surely people thought they would be back to collect the pets. Not so. The rescuers smell like gas when they come back in; there's gas in all of the water that consumes the area. Fires are burning all over the place. Our teams are tired and they are thirsty and they are hungry. And they have a place to sleep and water to drink and food to eat. I can only imagine how the people without these "luxuries" are feeling right now.

"Each night will be a race against time. When night falls, people can't get picked up from roofs, the rescuers can't chop into people's roofs to check the attics for anyone alive or for anyone dead (sadly, there are dead). At night we can't see power lines we can't see obstacles, we can't see any of the things that will bring down a helicopter or pose a danger to boats rescuers.

"One of the teams came in today after having been out for hours at a time. One particular rescuer went straight to a corner and collapsed into tears. I went directly to him and just held his hand. What else could I do? I said nothing. He said it all. They lowered him 26 times and he pulled 26 people to safety. He wants to be back out there but there are mandatory rest periods. His tears are tears of frustration.

"Entire teams are working on nothing but evacuating the hospitals. All four of the major hospitals are beginning to flood. Critical patients have to get out or surely they will be lost. Generators cannot run forever; that's just the way it is. There are limited facilities to take those that are rescued and those that need to be evacuated. Anything that leaves by air leaves by helicopter. There are no runways for planes that aren't under water. Only one drivable way in and out.

"Water everywhere and more keeps coming. Until they can do something about the three levees that are broken, more water will come and more water will kill. The water poses major health threats. Anyone with even a small open cut is prone to infection. Anyone who touches this water and touches his eyes, nose or mouth without find a way to "clean" himself first will be sick with stomach problems before long. It's bad and it's getting worse. It's not going to be anything better than devastating for days or weeks at best.

"I wish I could tell you that I'll check in again soon. I can't. I don't know when my next message will get out. We'll be leaving where we are within just an hour or so."

There is some Internet rumor-mongering about things being really, really bad in Mississippi (Gulfport, etc.), but I don't entirely trust it myself yet, so I'm not going to link to any of the discussions here.
 
he said that yesterday too..

I feel like taking off a week and helping down there

Edit: Astrodome?!

I would take my chances staying in N.O.
 
Culex said:
There's still one major road outgoing that's usable.

Yah-it was my understanding that the immediate area around the Superdome was under quite a bit of water, so I wasn't sure if they had ground transport out of the city.

You know, there is something REALLY creepy and unsettling about the complete evacuation of a major American city.
 
No one is even allowed in the city right now, so I'd love to know how you can just "go down there" and help. Leave that job for the Red Cross, Navy, Cost Guard and Engineers.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
And do what? There is nothing anyone can do for NO now. It will be weeks before anything can be done.

Quoted for truth.

The only things that you can really do is give to the Red Cross and offer to take in any friends who may have been displaced-they are going to need a place to live for quite some time.
 
Not sure if it has been discussed in this thread but my boss just mentioned to me that he has family in NO and they have a few houses there family houses... anyway he mentioned that flood insurance has gotten so expensive in the last few years that they had to give it up on a few of the houses.... and if this is for a family doing ok... imaging some of the poorer families... my god I can't imagine how many people have lost everything... my heart goes out to them... oh but in good news I believe our president cut his current "vacation" two day shorts to return to the Whitehouse. (even though his ranch has White House level communications capabilities).
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
And do what? There is nothing anyone can do for NO now. It will be weeks before anything can be done.


That's what I ment. Once the water is gone it's going to take a small country to clean up down there.
 
DarienA said:
Not sure if it has been discussed in this thread but my boss just mentioned to me that he has family in NO and they have a few houses there family houses... anyway he mentioned that flood insurance has gotten so expensive in the last few years that they had to give it up on a few of the houses.... and if this is for a family doing ok... imaging some of the poorer families... my god I can't imagine how many people have lost everything... my heart goes out to them... oh but in good news I believe our president cut his current "vacation" two day shorts to return to the Whitehouse. (even though his ranch has White House level communications capabilities).

Sadly, alot of poor people live in the region and they are simply fucked.
They no longer have a home, and they don't have money to stay anywhere. It's going to be a mess for a long time to come, let's hope this hurricane season is not going to be a bad one.

On a side note: I live in Mass and it's been windy as hell all day long for days on end, mother nature is pissed off about something.

And gas is starting to climb, and my job depends on travel, so I'm screwed a bit myself.
 
jobber said:
Edit: Astrodome?!

I would take my chances staying in N.O.

Thats one of the stupidest things I have ever read.
 
Matrix said:
Thats one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

Well thank you!

You should know that I dislike your fair city. Nothing personal.
 
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jobber said:
Edit: Astrodome?!

I would take my chances staying in N.O.


Dude you need to grow the fuck up. It is awesome that the stranded people have a place to go to with running water, A/C, and not the stinch of overflowing toilets. Completely laughable you attach your 6th-grade comment to a wish to go and help people in NO.

"Hey, I am here to help, just as long as I don't have to help people get on a bus to Houston!"
 
jobber said:
Well thank you!

You should know that I dislike your fair city. Nothing personal.

I think Houston is one of the most odious cities in the US, but right now at least it has the capability to provide fundamental services to its residents.
 
dskillzhtown said:
Dude you need to grow the fuck up. It is awesome that the stranded people have a place to go to with running water, A/C, and not the stinch of overflowing toilets. Completely laughable you attach your 6th-grade comment to a wish to go and help people in NO.

"Hey, I am here to help, just as long as I don't have to help people get on a bus to Houston!"


jeez.. my statement was my personal feeling. Whatever it takes to get people somewhere safe I'm all for but if it was me in that situation I would stay. :)
 
ToxicAdam said:
If I was in thier situation, I wonder if I wouldn't just start my life over in Houston.


I have met a few people here that are thinking of just doing that. Staying in a shelter until they get some insurance money and starting over here. The outpouring of money and help that Houston is currently doing is amazing. A local furniture store is opening as a shelter, giving people a place to sleep, shower. The people actually can live there as well. I was thinking alot of people are going to go stir crazy down here, but alot of musuems, sport franchises, movie theaters, etc. are letting people in free if they are from LA, Miss, or AL. It sounds like nothing important, but when you have kids with you who are bored and scared, something like that really would help. It helps if you want to just get your mind off of things for a couple of hours also.
 
jobber said:
jeez.. my statement was my personal feeling. Whatever it takes to get people somewhere safe I'm all for but if it was me in that situation I would stay. :)


Nice to see you can trivialize this into a lil joke for your amusement. I am sure that after your house has been destroyed, you have been stuck in the Superdome with no AC or running water for 2 days, you would be picky about where you are going to go for some relief. Like I said, you really need to grow up. I have seen the people from NO in my town just happy to be out of there. And for you to act like some joke character just to get your jollies is fucking disgusting.

Sorry, but your stupid "let's use Katrina to make a joke out of Houston" attitude is getting on my nerves when I see how my city is steeping up to the plate and helping out with money, services, prayer and compassion. So please STFU.

Actually, I will just ignore you from now on. Some people just disgust me right now.
 
jobber said:
jeez.. my statement was my personal feeling. Whatever it takes to get people somewhere safe I'm all for but if it was me in that situation I would stay. :)

You would stay in NO... where there is no power... and much of the city is flooded...

You'd be perfect for a career in politics.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
I'd think that make the starting over pretty easy.

Only if there are good social support programs in place to help you find somewhere to stay, public funding support for initial food, etc... and of course depending on your skill set and what's currently in demand in the new city.... BTW that good social support programs comment I made? I'm not going to talk about the federal cuts to social support programs... really.... I'm not...
 
ToxicAdam said:
If I was in thier situation, I wonder if I wouldn't just start my life over in Houston.


Many people are planning to do that, and many are planning to start their lives over in Atlanta. This weekend we're flying down to Houston to relocate entire vans of people to Atlanta.

If anyone can assist in the temporary relocation of people or have any creative ideas on how we can solve this problem it is much appreciated.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
I'd think that make the starting over pretty easy.

And while you're joking... it actually does. Most of my refugees are likely going to become permanent residents of Atlanta. They have nothing to go back to and few reasons to believe that they will have jobs or anything else waiting for them when they get back to New Orleans. Life has pretty much dealt them a reset button.
 
Well looks like LA will luck up on a team Pro football team and someone is going to get a pro basketball team and they didn't even have to bid for it (not part of the current tragedy but just thinking about all the things that are going to change) But, yeah Phx the crazy thing is that what we are looking at is as you said refugees. I just never thought I would use that and America in the same sentence.


With risng gas prices this is going to doom at least one airline and hundreds of business are just going to fold. Not to mention the thousands of people who are just going to default on their loans becasue they have no reasonable way to pay them and what that it going to do to the banks that have to absorb those losses.
 
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/31/D8CAS7RO0.html

Meteorologists: It Could Have Been Worse
Aug 31 10:51 AM US/Eastern


By MATT CRENSON
AP National Writer

news://newsclip.ap.org/WXS10108311434@news.ap.org

Devastating as Katrina was, it would have been far worse but for a puff of dry air that came out of the Midwest, weakening the hurricane just before it reached land and pushing it slightly to the east.

The gust transformed a Category 5 monster into a less-threatening Category 4 storm, and pushed Katrina off its Big Easy-bound trajectory, sparing New Orleans a direct hit _ though not horrendous harm.

"It was kind of an amazing sequence of events," said Peter Black, a meteorologist at the Hurricane Research Division of the federal government's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory.

On Sunday, meteorologists watched in awe as one of the most powerful hurricanes they had ever seen churned northward over the Gulf of Mexico on a direct bearing for New Orleans. Fed by unusually warm waters in the central gulf, Katrina easily pumped itself up to a Category 5 monster, with top winds approaching 175 mph. That afternoon a National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration aircraft flying through the storm pegged its minimum barometric pressure at 902 millibars, making Katrina the fourth most powerful hurricane ever observed.

But by the time it reached land Monday, Katrina was no stronger than any of a dozen or more hurricanes that have hit the United States in the past century. Hurricane Camille had a substantially lower central pressure when it slammed into Mississippi in 1969. Hurricane Charley blasted the Sunshine State with higher winds when it came ashore near Tampa last year.

So if it wasn't so powerful, how did Hurricane Katrina inflict so much destruction?


The storm's sheer size was one factor. As powerful as Hurricane Charley was, that storm's swath of destruction was only about 10 miles wide. Katrina battered everything from just west of New Orleans to Pensacola, Fla., a span of more than 200 miles. At noon Monday, hurricane force winds extended to 125 miles from Katrina's center.

"This storm was quite a bit larger, so the extent of the damaging wind field would have covered a much larger geographic area," said Marc Levitan, a professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at Louisiana State University.

Geography also played a role in the hurricane's destructiveness. The Gulf of Mexico's northern fringe is an extremely shallow shelf extending up to 120 miles offshore. That makes the region's coastline extremely vulnerable to the storm surges that hurricanes create as their winds and low pressure pile up water and push it ashore.

And Katrina was moving fairly slowly, about 12 to 15 mph. That gave the storm surge more time to build up as the hurricane approached the coast and then moved inland.

Those circumstances made Katrina "nearly a worst-case scenario," said Hurricane Research Division meteorologist Stanley Goldberg. Some witnesses reported storm surges of more than 25 feet along the Mississippi coast, among the highest ever recorded. The waters around New Orleans rose as much as 22 feet.

But the catastrophic sequence of events that appeared highly likely on Sunday afternoon _ a Category 5 hurricane washing over the Big Easy's ramparts and filling it like a bowl _ did not come to pass.

Instead, a different scenario unfolded. Several levees failed on Tuesday, unleashing floods that placed the city of 480,000 in peril long after Hurricane Katrina had dissipated.
 
Meteorologists: It Could Have Been Worse
Aug 31 10:51 AM US/Eastern



Those circumstances made Katrina "nearly a worst-case scenario," said Hurricane Research Division meteorologist Stanley Goldberg. Some witnesses reported storm surges of more than 25 feet along the Mississippi coast, among the highest ever recorded. The waters around New Orleans rose as much as 22 feet.

local Media in Ms are saying that storm surge was closer to 28-30ft in some areas....
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I hate BS articles like that after the fact. Any way you put it.. they're still fucked down there. Nice spin though, it's almost like they wanted it the other way. :/

I suppose they're right in that this scenario probably saved a lot of lives.. but still ruined everything.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
With risng gas prices this is going to doom at least one airline and hundreds of business are just going to fold. Not to mention the thousands of people who are just going to default on their loans becasue they have no reasonable way to pay them and what that it going to do to the banks that have to absorb those losses.

The economic impact is going to be punishing for certain. Gas prices are going to rise... a LOT. Oil production will be hampered a long time. The insurance industry will have billions of write offs for property and life, the federal government will have to absorb a lot as well. People will simply walk away from their piles of sticks and not pay their mortgages - hurting the banking industry. An entire metropolitan population will be on welfare and not paying taxes and will have to exist entirely on what the government can give them.

What will happen as a result of this will make 9/11 pale in comparison. You could have carpet bombed the affected areas and done less damage than the hurricane has.
 
Don't forget to add that many people and businesses will not move back into the city. So that is tax money that will not be coming in for levies, services, etc. Crippling not only to that area ... but Lousiana as a whole.
 
And then there are side effects. For example, my sister works for AARP, which had a big convention planned in New Orleans at the end of September. They've already paid over $2 million for it for vendors alone, and will likely not get that money back.

Don't forget the effects of the infrastructure damage, too -- I-10 is now impassable, so trucking will have to be re-routed around the area, and it'll be months and billions of dollars before the highways can be repaired.
 
I think they're giving Brett Farve an hour of airtime on Fox News... I feel bad for him and all, but this news conference he's called just seems really tacky somehow...

I guess the networks are looking for something new to show...
 
PotatoeMasher said:
I think they're giving Brett Farve an hour of airtime on Fox News... I feel bad for him and all, but this news conference he's called just seems really tacky somehow...

I guess the networks are looking for something new to show...
Brett Favre family crisis = Packers start 9-0
 
whytemyke said:
This is insane.... and the worst part is that, in my opinion, I've completely blown this off as just another hurricane until I came into this thread and saw everything. Up here in Michigan, most people are seeing this as jsut another hurricane and really aren't grasping that this has, for all intents and purposes, wiped New Orleans completely off the map.
I can totally relate with this. I live near Michigan, and people here just don't seem to realize that this is not just yet another hurricane. Man, just the thought that a huge city like New Orleans could be for all intents and purposes something that doesn't exist anymore or is changed forever...
 
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/special_packages/hurricane_katrina/12524526.htm
GULFPORT, MISS. - Looters are taking whatever their hands can find, creating a sense of lawlessness that has overwhelmed local police.

Water, food, cigarettes and beer are some of the most sought-after items, but even kids' piggy banks aren't safe. In unconfirmed reports, looters have hit homes on Hardy Avenue in West Gulfport where residents reported piggy banks had been broken and robbed.

Officers from every available state and federal agency continue to arrive here to help the manpower-stretched Gulfport Police Department protect property that wasn't destroyed by Hurricane Katrina.

The city's police force, about 195 strong, has dwindled since the storm, with an undetermined number affected by the same devastation as the residents they're sworn to serve and protect.

The hurricane demolished the main police station, a long-time downtown fixture.

"We are very overwhelmed, but looters are our main concern," said Gulfport Police Commander Alfred Sexton. "We've caught so many people looting that keeping track of the numbers is the least of our concerns."

Sexton lost his own set of handcuffs. Officers used them to restrain a looting suspect being driven to the over-crowded Harrison County Jail.

It wasn't immediately clear how the increase in arrests is affecting the jail. The aging structure can safely hold 750 inmates, according to a federal court ruling that has hung over the jail for more than 10 years. The jail's average daily population under normally circumstances is about 1,000.

Harrison County is under a 24-hour curfew, but it hasn't stopped many people from venturing out. Officials this morning announced that police will arrest anyone caught on the street after 6 p.m.

Officers from a number of state and federal law enforcement agencies and the Mississippi National Guard have joined forces to help police maintain order. Police and deptuties from other areas of the state and parts of Florida and Alabama have been sworn in to have the same arrest powers as local officers.

Police are operating from a command post on U.S. 49 in Gulfport's Orange Grove area. They are using the Harrison County School District's administrative building and alternative school. Police dispatchers now occupy the main building's boardroom.

Police still have no access to cell phones, but are relying on their radios for communciation
 
Maybe New Orleans can be proactive and drain all but 2 or 3 feet of the water and become the new 'white trash' Venice of North America. At least during Mardi Gras all thepeople peeing in the streets won't be so noticeable.
 
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