I am terrified of a Trump presidency

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i'm sure black people would be jumping at the chance to support someone who won't denounce the kkk (or wont denounce them and then maybe later he will.... after a backlash). that's trumps whole thing: he is completely full of shit. and to some degree every politician flip flops and lies and whatever but trump is absolutely a scam artist.

I've seen quite a few black people and posts from black people in the tech industry that have been on some "fuck you, got mines" type shit, that basically live in liberal cities that would LOVE to have the H1B program dismantled, and the presence of the KKK in places like NYC and Chicago is basically irrelevant in day to day lives, but pretty much decimating the H1B program would have an immediate boost in their lives.

Lmao, yep. Utterly delusional.

Thanks for your input, it has lots of value.

I can't even.

Your response is filled with vital information.
 
i'm sure black people would be jumping at the chance to support someone who won't denounce the kkk (or wont denounce them and then maybe later he will.... after a backlash). that's trumps whole thing: he is completely full of shit. and to some degree every politician flip flops and lies and whatever but trump is absolutely a scam artist.

When you're voting emotionally all you need is s good excuse. It's sad but I think his earpiece rationale and claims about being treated unfairly by the media convinced his fans: certainly not going to win over any new ones though. I'm more scared about the union/ factory worker types switching allegiances to vote trump. He's got angry white male crossover appeal.
 
When you're voting emotionally all you need is s good excuse. It's sad but I think his earpiece rationale and claims about being treated unfairly by the media convinced his fans: certainly not going to win over any new ones though. I'm more scared about the union/ factory worker types switching allegiances to vote trump. He's got angry white make crossover appeal.

That's my point. There are black people that have never seen a KKK member in real life, but have:

1. Been undercut by an illegal immigrant for a job like chef at a chain restaurant or in construction.
2. Been phased out for an H1B and had to train their replacement in the tech field.

AKA things that affect their abilities to pay the bills.
 
Trump doesn't believe a single thing he says, just go watch his past tapes and views on issues. He completely destroyed the GOP in a matter of months. Tea Party fractured the party, Trump took a sledge hammer to it.

He's not going to go off the handlebars, he's not going to institute a fascist government, dude is pandering so hard that it's stunning that the entire world hasn't caught on.

Besides, this is all going to come to ahead at the RNC with a brokered convention where he is going to have the nomination stolen from him. If that doesn't happen then GOP will run a third party candidate to try and cut him off from the party.

There are too many checks and balances to have a president basically destroy a country on his own. Nobody would authorize a nuclear strike because he wanted to, that's now how the system works.

This is the truth. Trump is just exposing the shit show that the GOP has become. He doesn't believe a damn word of his pandering. He is the perfect WWE heel. And to that end, if elected, the country will be more like Mike Judge's Idiocracy than Hitler's Germany.
 

User1608

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That's my point. There are black people that have never seen a KKK member in real life, but have:

1. Been undercut by an illegal immigrant for a job like chef at a chain restaurant or in construction.
2. Been phased out for an H1B and had to train their replacement in the tech field.

AKA things that affect their abilities to pay the bills.
I'm sure they'll keep that in mind when David Duke is brought up in the GE. Especially with Trump's completely bunk response. Or how Trump supports cops and says they're so mistreated. Or how All Lives Matter. Hell, let's not forget Trump was a birther.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/donald-trump/trumps-absurd-claim-he-knows-nothing-about-former-/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/after-black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-rally-trump-asserts-all-lives-matter/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-to-hawaii-to-look-into-obama/

I'm sure Trump's racist rhetoric will resonate. He's not winning nor will he increase gains with black voters.
 

J-Rzez

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So, why is he winning ?

Because people are tired of the agenda planted mouthpieces from the contributors, err, parties. When you look at the rest of the field and see the same ol' same ol' in there it's easy to see why people are frustrated and want to shake things up. Clinton and Bush(s) were wastes, but when obama got in for, well, reasons, and the demos have hilary in there now trying to cash in on that similar fashion, a personality like Trump can easily stomp them as people are just sick and tired of the same old cookie cutter plants.
 
I'm sure they'll keep that in mind when David Duke is brought up in the GE. Especially with Drumpf's completely bunk response. Or how Drumpf supports cops and says they're so mistreated. Or how All Lives Matter. Hell, let's not forget Drumpf was a birther.
I'm sure Drumpf's racist rhetoric will resonate. He's not winning nor will he increase gains with black voters.

You're still missing the point. In this election damn near anything can happen. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he saw gains in the black community and its PLENTY of black community leaders to cosign him for a check.

Hell, remember all of these black leaders standing in solidarity with one of the kids that was singing that racist ass chant at Oklahoma University?

You think it won't be plenty of those willing to stand next to Trump for a check?
 
You're still missing the point. In this election damn near anything can happen. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he saw gains in the black community and its PLENTY of black community leaders to cosign him for a check.

Hell, remember all of these black leaders standing in solidarity with one of the kids that was singing that racist ass chant at Oklahoma University?

You think it won't be plenty of those willing to stand next to Trump for a check?

Sure thing, all black community leaders need is a check thrown their way and BAM instant support.

Someone contact Bernie, all his solutions to his low appeal to the black community have been under his nose the whole time!
 
You're still missing the point. In this election damn near anything can happen. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he saw gains in the black community and its PLENTY of black community leaders to cosign him for a check.

Hell, remember all of these black leaders standing in solidarity with one of the kids that was singing that racist ass chant at Oklahoma University?

You think it won't be plenty of those willing to stand next to Trump for a check?

Where are these checks coming from?
 

MIMIC

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Terrified? No. Incredibly concerned? Absolutely.

In the back of my mind, I doubt that he's going to even attempt to do most of the things that he's threatening. I mean, even if he tried, he wouldn't be able to. Trump's not stupid; he's just a master manipulator.

What I'm terrified of is how he has managed to get so many on board with his radical ideas. Seems to me like they see this as a license to start a revolution....and not the good kind.
 

213372bu

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Terrified? No. Incredibly concerned? Absolutely.

In the back of my mind, I doubt that he's going to even attempt to do most of the things that he's threatening. I mean, even if he tried, he wouldn't be able to. Trump's not stupid; he's just a master manipulator.

What I'm terrified of is how he has managed to get so many on board with his radical ideas. Seems to me like they see this as a license to start a revolution....and not the good kind.

Yeeep
 
To answer the OP directly:

If Trump were to get elected do keep in mind he'll be despised by both the Democrats AND Republicans. It won't take long until they both find some way to impeach the clown if he tries even 1% of the shit he says he's going to do.
 

Hylian7

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To answer the OP directly:

If Trump were to get elected do keep in mind he'll be despised by both the Democrats AND Republicans. It won't take long until they both find some way to impeach the clown if he tries even 1% of the shit he says he's going to do.

I really hope that's the case, or it occurs where he wasn't serious on 90% of the shit he said.

What really makes me nervous is that Hillary is pretty much guaranteed to get the Democratic nomination now. As much as I don't particularly care for, and would have rather had Bernie win, I will still be voting for her.

However I know many people have the attitude of "I'm voting against Hillary, so who's left....Trump". It's true the Republicans hate him too, but the thing is, I think a lot of people underestimate the Republican clowns in Congress that will go along with his crazy shit anyway.

I really was hoping he wouldn't even get the nomination, but that looks like it's happening. Either this could seal the deal for Hillary, or Hillary being the Democratic nomination could seal the deal for Trump. I could see this going both ways, and it makes me nervous.
 

Movement

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If Hillary was a man she would be universally adored.

Proof: Bill Clinton had an affair and his favorables went up.

Ding ding. Racism was exposed to its core during the Obama era. I imagine a similar discussion and progression will occur if we have our first female president.
 
I've seen quite a few black people and posts from black people in the tech industry that have been on some "fuck you, got mines" type shit, that basically live in liberal cities that would LOVE to have the H1B program dismantled, and the presence of the KKK in places like NYC and Chicago is basically irrelevant in day to day lives, but pretty much decimating the H1B program would have an immediate boost in their lives.



Thanks for your input, it has lots of value.



Your response is filled with vital information.

lol what is "quite a few"? i can't 100% guarantee who will win the election in november, but i can 100% guarantee that if trump is the republican nominee, any black votes he get will be so minimal it won't help him
 
To answer the OP directly:

If Trump were to get elected do keep in mind he'll be despised by both the Democrats AND Republicans. It won't take long until they both find some way to impeach the clown if he tries even 1% of the shit he says he's going to do.

What if Trump picks Kanye as his VP, if they impeach Trump we better all get ready for a Yeezus Presidency.

Seriously, if Trump wants to ensure be won't be impeached all he has to do is pick someone like that for VP and he'll be untouchable.
 
I'm sure they'll keep that in mind when David Duke is brought up in the GE. Especially with Trump's completely bunk response. Or how Trump supports cops and says they're so mistreated. Or how All Lives Matter. Hell, let's not forget Trump was a birther.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/donald-trump/trumps-absurd-claim-he-knows-nothing-about-former-/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/after-black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-rally-trump-asserts-all-lives-matter/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-to-hawaii-to-look-into-obama/

I'm sure Trump's racist rhetoric will resonate. He's not winning nor will he increase gains with black voters.
All this plus his quite clear feelings about the Central Park Five:

New York City last year settled a lawsuit brought by the five defendants for $41 million, without acknowledging wrongdoing.

Jonathan C. Moore, a lawyer who represents four of the men, said Mr. Trump had shown an “incredible lack of judgment” in the Central Park case. His clients, Mr. Moore said, had been in the park on the night of the attack but had committed no crime.

Continue reading the main story

“Donald Trump was an example of how, mostly white people, rushed to judgment about what happened there,” said Mr. Moore, who is white. Describing the victim and her alleged attackers, he added, “It was a young white investment banker, and all these young black kids who looked like they were guilty.”

Even now, Mr. Trump refuses to completely back down. He criticized the city’s settlement, arguing that the young men had been convicted by a jury and had probably been involved in some kind of criminal activity on the night of the assault.

“They walked away with $41 million and the best thing they had going for them was they were wilding in other parts of the park, beating the hell out of people,” Mr. Trump said, using a term, popularized after the Central Park assault, for young men going on a crime spree.
No way is Trump getting the Black vote. None.
 

Ushay

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America, you elected Bush, I'd be terrified right now, there appear to be more stupid people over there than reasonable on that basis alone.
 

benjipwns

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America, you elected Bush, I'd be terrified right now, there appear to be more stupid people over there than reasonable on that basis alone.
24.5% and 28.7% of registered voters voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 respectively. 24.8% and 27.3% of registered voters threw their vote away on Al Gore and John Kerry.
 

Hylian7

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24.5% and 28.7% of registered voters voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 respectively. 24.8% and 27.3% of registered voters threw their vote away on Al Gore and John Kerry.
Why is it suddenly "throwing their vote away" just because their candidate lost the election?
 

Ovid

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Trump is the living embodiment of the american rights' hypocricy and what we've known all along
*Small Government (for the poor, disenfranchised, and minorities)
*Religious freedom (for their religion)
*Adore sexist and adore patriarchal figures
*Scared of outsiders and change

It's the living embodiment of what Fox News, talk radio, and political figures have been creating for 30 years. The bottom half of the party has split, they have done what they've been told.
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I totally agree.
 

Alienous

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I feel like if he got elected he wouldn't be able to do half of the crazy things he wants to do. He'll have the same internal opposition any other president has gotten.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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I do think the rest of the world will potentially suffer more than the US if he becomes president. He may not be able to enforce any of his local policies, but look at the level of respect countries like Russia currently have for the US. They'd have even less regard for international relations if he wins. Other relationships would deteriorate as well, such as with Iran in my opinion.
 

Red Hood

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To those saying stuff like "the chances of him being president is very small". Lol, I don't think so yo, he has a big chance of winning. But... how long he'll be president? That's a different story. He'll get spit on by both sides and I'm expecting him to be the first president to resign after Nixon (speaking of which, wasn't he the only one ever in the history of the US?).
 

Alpende

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I'm not an American and I get why Trump being president would be horrible

but

It would be pretty funny to see him as president and see what happens.
 

lenovox1

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To those saying stuff like "the chances of him being president is very small". Lol, I don't think so yo, he has a big chance of winning. But... how long he'll be president? That's a different story. He'll get spit on by both sides and I'm expecting him to be the first president to resign after Nixon (speaking of which, wasn't he the only one ever in the history of the US?).

It doesn't matter what you think or how you feel without the numbers to back it up. Especially in terms of developing actual anxiety over this.
 

Auto_aim1

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I don't think he'll do any crazy thing as president as he will likely have good advisors and stuff. Too much importance is given to the president imho, the American democracy is very strong.
 
Its embarrassing more then anything.

To see a Republican Presidential candidate accusing Trump of having a small dick and then for Trump to assure us that he hasn't...on National TV is just beyond it.

Its so embarrassing.
 

BouncyFrag

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I'm not an American and I get why Trump being president would be horrible

but

It would be pretty funny to see him as president and see what happens.
I'd like to see him go full-on Putin by going around shirtless wrestling bears and aligators as well as discovering ancient artifacts off the coast of Greece. If he is unable to raise the lost city of Atlantis he should not have a second term.
 

Valhelm

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What I get from most posts is that no one really cares about the implications of someone like Trump becoming president are for the rest of us.

Not even what he and his administration would do, but what that says about the general public.

Because Trump's bigotry came out of nowhere, I don't think he's as racist as he pretends to be. Because Democrats and Republicans despise him so much, he wouldn't be able to pass any radical legislation, and that's if he introduces that legislation at all.
 
Not saying we should listen to celebrities, but I figured I'd share Louis CK's thoughts on Trump, for curiosity's sake:

Louis CK in latest Horace and Pete email to customers said:
Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.

And I'm not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.

Trump is not that. He's an insane bigot. He is dangerous.

He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who "writes a negative hit piece" about him. He says "I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected." He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will "pay" for criticizing him. So I'm saying this now because if he gets in there we won't be able to criticize him anymore.

Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don't like any of them myself but if you're that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we'd have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn't have to vote for someone because they're not a shocking cunt billionaire liar.

We should choose based on what direction the country should go.

I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it's not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying "fuck it. Fuck them all". I really get it. It's a version of national Suicide. Or it's like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can't help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can't wait to read about Trump every day. It's a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.

If you are a true conservative. Don't vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.

In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. "At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger... I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party's most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”
When Trump was told what he said, Trump said "Oh, he did? Well, that's not nice," he told CBS News' chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. "He has to be very careful."
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: "He'll find out.”
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)

Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.

Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.

So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a fucking liar.

A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he's president, you're going to regret it. You're going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That's how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.

Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.
That's just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I'm not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I'm sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions.

(And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don't mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings.

He starts off with some clichés (and includes calling Kasich a decent candidate -- I wonder if Louie knows about pray the gay away) but also works in some subtler topics.
 
Because Drumpf's bigotry came out of nowhere, I don't think he's as racist as he pretends to be.

If being racist and pretending to be racist have the same effect, is there really any difference?

Also, I'm enjoying watching the Republican party tear itself apart over seeing their Southern Strategy come to light.

It's amazing how they thought they could use dog whistles for 50 years and then be shocked when a pitbull shows up.
 
a divided political party rarely wins a General Election.

Many Republican voters, especially the puritan Christian right, won't turn out to vote.

Dems have a lock on this. Hell, even Sanders could beat Trump
 

Kilrogg

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Not saying we should listen to celebrities, but I figured I'd share Louis CK's thoughts on Trump, for curiosity's sake:



He starts off with some clichés (and includes calling Kasich a decent candidate -- I wonder if Louie knows about pray the gay away) but also works in some subtler topics.

Thanks, was about to post it.
 

Valhelm

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If being racist and pretending to be racist have the same effect, is there really any difference?

Also, I'm enjoying watching the Republican party tear itself apart over seeing their Southern Strategy come to light.

It's amazing how they thought they could use dog whistles for 50 years and then be shocked when a pitbull shows up.

I don't they do have the same effect. I don't even think Trump will try very hard to deport all of the illegal immigrants or build his wall, because that will be essentially impossible given our political framework.

You're right, though, that the GOP made this bed and they damn better lie in it.
 
Because Trump's bigotry came out of nowhere, I don't think he's as racist as he pretends to be. Because Democrats and Republicans despise him so much, he wouldn't be able to pass any radical legislation, and that's if he introduces that legislation at all.
Came out of nowhere? Hmmm? Been there since 1989, at least. Look up Trump and his reactions/responses to the Central Park Five case (a group of 5 people who were falsely accused and framed by police for being criminals and who, even after this was all brought out into the open, the Five being exonerated, and the real culprit found, Trump still trying to frame them as criminals who should be punished years later) and how those have been pretty damn consistent over time.

Dude is a bigot, through and through.
 
If Hillary was a man she would be universally adored.

Proof: Bill Clinton had an affair and his favorables went up.

You got to be kidding me. Bill Clinton is extreme charismatic, Hilary is like a walking zombie compare to Bill. Bill was also younger and better looking when he was running for president. All these are important factors even if they share identical political ideology. And if Hilary has an affair I would seen her in better light because it actually shows she is some what human.

Eventually US will vote a woman into the white house (as well as most of the developed countries), do you really want Hilary Clinton to be the first female Commander in Chief? I mean can you ask your children to look up to Hilary Clinton as their role model with a straight face?

I personally won't vote for neither Hilary nor Trump and will only vote the local candidates. I think not being able to vote either candidates say more about the current state of the American political system.
 
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