I am terrified of a Trump presidency

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His initial fame came from the 70s from denying blacks housing.

We can't expect everyone to know all of the details on every person, but yeah you're right. Every time I hear someone championing Trump, I have a new tidbit of info to show them.

I'm really depressed with how many of these tidbits I have now. You'd think it would end eventually, but hoo boy.
 

RoKKeR

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It's not going to happen. He started to implode during the last debate. We reach peak-Trump and have begun the descent.

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Lesath

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Trump's success is horrifying in that it has legitamized the morons and racists, and it turns out that there are a lot more of them than I previously thought.
 

FStubbs

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The Democrats could win Utah if this is the Republican candidate. Think about that for a minute.

Okay, let's not get insane.

If being racist and pretending to be racist have the same effect, is there really any difference?

Also, I'm enjoying watching the Republican party tear itself apart over seeing their Southern Strategy come to light.

It's amazing how they thought they could use dog whistles for 50 years and then be shocked when a pitbull shows up.

That's an amazing quote. You win this thread, sir.
 

Maxim726X

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If being racist and pretending to be racist have the same effect, is there really any difference?

Also, I'm enjoying watching the Republican party tear itself apart over seeing their Southern Strategy come to light.

It's amazing how they thought they could use dog whistles for 50 years and then be shocked when a pitbull shows up.

I see this often, and yes there is absolutely a difference between actually being a racist and pretending one is.

If he's pretending, he's not going to vote to further any cause or sponsor any laws that are inherently racist, for one. There's a rather large difference.
 

aliengmr

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America, you elected Bush, I'd be terrified right now, there appear to be more stupid people over there than reasonable on that basis alone.

Barely, and even since then the political landscape has drastically changed.

To those saying stuff like "the chances of him being president is very small". Lol, I don't think so yo, he has a big chance of winning. But... how long he'll be president? That's a different story. He'll get spit on by both sides and I'm expecting him to be the first president to resign after Nixon (speaking of which, wasn't he the only one ever in the history of the US?).

He has almost zero chance of winning the general election. Up to now he's been skating on emotionally fueled rhetoric, but once the focus is on him he'll have to detail his policies. None of this "I can't tell how I'll beat ISIS, but I will" bullshit.

Add to that the loss of the Latino vote which had cost the GOP 2 prior elections with candidates that had FAR more support from the Latino community. And women? fucking forget it, Trump has no chance.

So either he sacrifices his current base of support to go for broader appeal or he doubles down on reaching impossible numbers of white voters. In the former, he'll have to deal with all his past antics and run a pristine campaign. In the latter, he'll have to achieve a massive turnout.

Best case, he loses. Worst case its a fucking blowout. As a dem, I want him to get the nomination. Maybe then the GOP will pull its collective head out of its ass. At this point I would like nothing more than to look at 2 candidates and not have only one choice.
 

Movement

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I don't get this pic response

It's referencing an Onion article something along the lines of 'There's no way Trump can continue his popularity after what he said this time, says man.'

Care to elaborate?

Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
And I'm not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
Trump is not that. He's an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who "writes a negative hit piece" about him. He says "I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected." He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will "pay" for criticizing him. So I'm saying this now because if he gets in there we won't be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don't like any of them myself but if you're that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we'd have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn't have to vote for someone because they're not a shocking cunt billionaire liar.
We should choose based on what direction the country should go.

He oversimplifies everything. If we have a conservative president, the kind who is paid off by the oil companies and slave to their system that is literally destroying Earth. The next few Justices picked may very well determine the future our country takes regarding campaign finance which leads to which direction we take in regards to tackling sustainable energy and the fossil fuels industry.

Saying "We need a conservative now, because we had a liberal for 8 years" is a ridiculous argument and I don't think Louis knows what he's talking about. Obama may have been more liberal than Bush, but he is far from progressive. We've had right wing conservatives in office for 40 years, if he truly believes there should be a swing of power then he would not be saying Kasich is reasonable, or dismiss Sanders.
 
Came out of nowhere? Hmmm? Been there since 1989, at least. Look up Trump and his reactions/responses to the Central Park Five case (a group of 5 people who were falsely accused and framed by police for being criminals and who, even after this was all brought out into the open, the Five being exonerated, and the real culprit found, Trump still trying to frame them as criminals who should be punished years later) and how those have been pretty damn consistent over time.

Dude is a bigot, through and through.

And now American politics (at least on the conservative side) has allowed these kinds of beliefs to be implied on a national stage without being called out for it.
 

Thorgal

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Even more terrifying is the thought of this man having the authority to launch a nuclear strike.

reposting from another thread :

You really think when President Trump wakes up one morning in a foul mood and demands they nuke another country for his amusement ,everyone will be " sure thing President trump we are arming and aiming the nukes on the double , by the afternoon (insert country here ) will be a radioactive hellhole ". ?

If there is anything you should have learned by now Is that despite being called the most powerfully man on earth , the president does NOT wield absolute power .

I can think of a million reasons why he shouldn't be elected , but fear of a nuclear strike is not one of them.
 
Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are 100x more likely to push the Nuke button than Trump

Cruz is an end-of-the-world Evengelical nutter

Rubio thinks we are still in a Cold War

Kasich wants "boots on the ground" in Syria
 

nillah

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Trumps on a mission straight from hell and that in fact can and will terrify people who in this case fear the unknown.

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A little courage goes a long way...
 
I liked Bill Maher's analogy last night. Rather than describing the Republican tent or umbrella of voters, it's more like a house.

In that house are the evangelicals, the neocons, the business class, etc. And they allowed a room in the house for the overt racists. The party leaders didn't go into the room and see all of the hoods and nazi symbols. They just kept the door shut and let them comfortably exist. And now they've taken over the whole house by supporting Trump.
 

wbEMX

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Yeah, a guy publicly advocating war crimes or talking about the size of his dick in a debate that's supposed to be about... y'know actual fucking politics, I would be pretty damn terrified to have a guy like that as your president.

But looking at other Republican candidates it's not really better. It's gotten to the point where a potential Romney candidacy would be the best bet for the Republicans. And I sure as hell wasn't too fond of the idea of having a President Romney four years ago.
 

riotous

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He starts off with some clichés (and includes calling Kasich a decent candidate -- I wonder if Louie knows about pray the gay away) but also works in some subtler topics.

Mostly idiotic out of touch rambling; although weird "Kasich is OK" posts come from liberals here as well. Kasich is an ultra-conservative asshole who is smart enough to back off when the people who vote for him have a backlash to his plans; what a weird country we live in where a smarmy willingness to not piss off voters that much makes you somehow a centrist conservative.
 
I see this often, and yes there is absolutely a difference between actually being a racist and pretending one is.

If he's pretending, he's not going to vote to further any cause or sponsor any laws that are inherently racist, for one. There's a rather large difference.

In my everyday life, there is zero difference.

If you're pretending to be racist to gain approval from racists, and your pretending leads to be being denied jobs or housing, what's the actual difference?
 

Movement

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Brilliant Southern Strategy article from the Guardian

To put it in Trump terms: you could say it started with a deal. Or more precisely, a big deal with various side deals attached, all of it amounting to one grand, dark bargain whose payment may be coming due at last. If one was inclined to reach for metaphor, you could say it was a deal with the devil. Or you could say it started with this, a plank adopted by the Democratic national convention of 1948:

The Democratic party commits itself to continuing efforts to eradicate all racial, religious, and economic discrimination.

That was enough to bring the devil howling out of his hole, that foot-on-the-neck-of-the-black-man devil of the Jim Crow, hookworm, lynch-prone south – “the solid south” that reliably delivered its votes to the Democratic party every four years.
 
Not saying we should listen to celebrities, but I figured I'd share Louis CK's thoughts on Trump, for curiosity's sake:



He starts off with some clichés (and includes calling Kasich a decent candidate -- I wonder if Louie knows about pray the gay away) but also works in some subtler topics.

Disagree with a lot of of what CK says that letter, especially that Kasich, praise, seems like he knows zero about him
 
Because Trump's bigotry came out of nowhere, I don't think he's as racist as he pretends to be. Because Democrats and Republicans despise him so much, he wouldn't be able to pass any radical legislation, and that's if he introduces that legislation at all.

I hope you're still high school age to be saying that.

Trump has been a bigot for decades.
 

aliengmr

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And now American politics (at least on the conservative side) has allowed these kinds of beliefs to be implied on a national stage without being called out for it.

How are they not called out for it? Even the GOP is calling that shit out, if for no other reason than it will cost them elections.

What does it matter anyway? This shit should be center stage for the entire electorate to see. The GOP has been spending the better part of a decade or more realizing their backward views are harming their future as a party, and they've done fuck all about it.

They have to face this, and having a giant a-hole getting the GOP nomination despite their best efforts, is a giant kick in the nuts. The very people that created this problem are flipping the fuck out right now, no way should they get a pass at watching the monster they created crash and burn within 5 minutes of starting the general election.
 

Azzanadra

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Ding ding. Racism was exposed to its core during the Obama era. I imagine a similar discussion and progression will occur if we have our first female president.

While I think having a female president would be great, Clinton is the last person I would want leading that charge. I have strong feeling she stayed married to the man to retain political power through her husband, which, if anything, sets feminism back. Is that the type of person you want women to look up to? If we want to dispel the fantasy of women needing men to be happy- Hillary is a prime example of what NOT to do.

Besides, as another poster mentioned, it had more to do with Bill's charisma and personality- Hillary by comparison is boring and static. It doesn't help her scheming and support for the status quo are thinly veiled by her membership in the Democratic party- which usually signifies a moral high ground among progressives.
 

linkboy

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I'm in the Air Force, Trump being in charge of the military scares the hell out of me.

So does a Cruz, Rubio and Kasich presidency.
 

Log4Girlz

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Deep down inside I really wish someone with a flat tax plan would win and get that shit passed. Just so that we can ruin this country once and for all and hope something rises out of its ashes.
 
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