I don't "get" TLOU

What I dont get is why it is suddenly "cool" or the new trend, to absolutely hate something that has become popular and appeals to other people.

<snip>.

You've clearly never read the New Musical Express or participated in any sub-culture in a strong way.

This is not a sudden or new thing, it's been going on for years.

New thing shows promise, is hyped to the nth degree by early adopter types (e.g. music journos), proves itself artistically, becomes massive, early adopter types then discard it as no longer cool or even good, usually citing something about loosing energy/originality/wasn't really that good in the first place.
 
Maybe actually "read" the rest of the thread as well as my post better and understand where my "hyperbole" is placed or not, instead of just quoting before reading

Mkay?

Because your reading comprehension must really really suck if you cant see that i specifically said that i am not talking about the OP and its perfectly fine not to like it.
You didn't specify that you weren't talking about the OP anywhere.

In fact, it very much sounds like it *was* aimed at the OP.

Perhaps be more clear in the future instead of jumping down somebody's throat and insulting them for 'not understanding' your post. You aren't gonna last long here with that sort of attitude.
 
Maybe actually "read" the rest of the thread as well as my post better and understand where my "hyperbole" is placed or not, instead of just quoting before reading

Mkay?

Because your reading comprehension must really really suck if you cant see that i specifically said that i am not talking about the OP and its perfectly fine not to like it.

Show me these "buckets of hatred" then, if I'm to believe your post is anything more than reactionary hyperbole.
 
Maybe actually "read" the rest of the thread as well as my post better and understand where my "hyperbole" is placed or not, instead of just quoting before reading

Mkay?

Because your reading comprehension must really really suck if you cant see that i specifically said that i am not talking about the OP and its perfectly fine not to like it.

Nobody saying its utter garbage

Calm down
 
You didn't specify that you weren't talking about the OP anywhere.

In fact, it very much sounds like it *was* aimed at the OP.

Perhaps be more clear in the future instead of jumping down somebody's throat and insulting them for 'not understanding' your post. You aren't gonna last long here with that sort of attitude.

Dont missunderstand me, I get it that not everything is for everyone, and it is perfectly understandable if the OP or anyone else for that matter, doesnt like a game.

Perhaps next time try reading someone's post thoroughly before jumping down and insult him, calling his post "hyperbole"


Show me these "buckets of hatred" then, if I'm to believe your post is anything more than reactionary hyperbole.

Glad to see that you read the post better. Now read the rest of the thread as well as countless other similar threads for popular games and get the answer to the rest of your question.
 
I'm with you OP. I don't like Zombie games and the only reason I played this is ND, and the only reason I'll play the PS4 version too.

But gameplay was ok in my book. Very tense little skirmishes here and there, designed differently each time to keep things fresh.
 
The production values are through the roof and the graphics are top notch for last gen consoles. The gameplay is very good. I think this is a very rare time when story and graphics are more important than gameplay as far as carrying people through to the conclusion. There were specific parts that I had to force myself to beat just so I could continue. The part where you
snipe
fucking pulls me right out and feels so wrong for the game. With that said, It was my GOTY last year because it kept me so involved in the characters. Barely beating GTA 5.
 
Perhaps next time try reading someone's post thoroughly before jumping down and insult him, calling his post "hyperbole"
And then you immediately say this:

But going on to say that suddenly, a game that has won the most GOTY awards ever in the history and within a year of fierce competition (GTAV, Bioshock infinite etc), is an overrated piece of crap and present it as UTTER GRABAGE, is really, beyond my understanding.

Context man. It sounds very much like you're still talking about the OP and you certainly never clarified that you weren't.

And seriously, relax a bit. This hyperdefensiveness wont get you far.
 
Glad to see that you read the post better. Now read the rest of the thread as well as countless other similar threads for popular games and get the answer to the rest of your question.

This holier than thou nonsense is tiring. Perhaps you clicked on a different thread, maybe the uncharted 3 review thread, and posted in this one by mistake.
 
The Last of Us is utterly stunning. The backlash on here is more predictable than an inFamous side mission. It's one of those games that once I'd started it, I thought about the whole time until I'd finished it. It was my game of last gen by a distance.
 
Glad to see that you read the post better. Now read the rest of the thread as well as countless other similar threads for popular games and get the answer to the rest of your question.

I've read the whole thread. I still don't see "buckets of hate". Is there a reason you can't just show us specifically which posts you're referring to?

There's nothing wrong with people having a negative opinion on a game. This thread is populated with more negative opinions about The Last of Us, because these views are actually on topic here, in comparison to attempting to state why you don't like The Last of Us in any other thread, and being skinned alive for it.

People that like The Last of Us will often claim that it has the best graphics, or an amazing story, or excellent stealth gameplay etc. You don't see all of these prefaced with "this is just my personal humble opinion" disclaimers. Why should someone need marginalise their own opinion on The Last of Us simply because they don't think it's amazing? And why is that considered hate?
 
I didn't own a PS3 but I watched a full playthrough on YouTube and yeah I get it. I wouldn't want to play a game like this but considering I didn't have a PS3 I have to consider the other titles I'd be accustomed to as a PS3 owner, Uncharted, God of War, Infamous. All incredibly cinematic 3rd person experiences, so it makes sense TLOU trumps them. But yeah it's not really my thing.

This post will get ignored tho cos Sony Side.
 
I have to admit that I was in the same boat as OP for a long time although I was blown away by 'that' opening.

I hadn't played Uncharted before at the time so the shooting mechanics took some time for me to pick up. I'm generally not good at shooting games to begin with, so I found that my aim was way off and a lot of those valuable bullets would be wasted.

I also found the stealth frustrating (I was trying to play it like I do MGS where getting seen by one of the infected was an instant game over).

What made things worse was certain sections that I would navigate through without being seen which would reward me with an inevitable firefight that I would end up dying from. I would play the section again and take my time skiving every infected in the area only to have to end up with the same situation with infected showing up in an area where I knew there couldn't be which meant that the infected had been generated and made me even more annoyed. Why encourage stealth if you're not going to reward me for it?

anyways, I had a short break and after several suggestions by the game I decided to take it's advice and move to easy where I could use auto-aim and gradually became more clever at how I played the game; I would use cover more effectively and think about the best route to take and plan my attacks.

Now I think TLOU is arguably the best game I've ever played and that my issues with it were largely down to my own ineptitude rather than the game itself (and this is something that I thought I would never say considering that FFVII has stood proudly at the top of my 'best game ever' list for nearly twenty years, something that I never expected to be topped).

My suggestion would be to either play it on easy first or if you haven't already maybe go and try out one of the Uncharted games (I found that coming back to play Left Behind much easier after finishing Uncharted 1 and 2 that I could even complete it on medium difficulty without any problems). If you want to grind on PLEASE try until Winter as that section is arguably the best section I've ever played, it's just brilliant.

Don't feel bad if you don't like it though, if it's not for you it's not for you and you're not alone; despite my protests one of my best friends is adamant that Zombi-U is a far superior game, and that everything that is unique about TLOU outside of the storytelling was ripped off from that...
 
I didn't care for it either, but I should admit I doubt I even got 10 hours on the clock. I'm told that the ending's catharsis is supposed to shape your experience a lot though. I'm not really comfortable commenting on the overall package, since I haven't fully experienced it. I guess that's a problem with the medium. Games are a much bigger time investment than the films they try to emulate. I had no real issues with the gameplay, other than that I wasn't really engaged, but that directly tied into my disinterest in the arid concept and story. The game seemed to pretty heavily rely on its production values, plot and characters. If you aren't wooed by them, you're probably going to lose out on a lot of the title's appeal.

Take a 3 month break and then play it again. Worked for me. It didn't even make my GotY top 10 based on my first 6 hour impression, but I came back 3 months later and ended up playing it through twice, loving every minute. I'd now put it down as one of the best games I played all generation.
This might be a pretty good suggestion. Put it away and give it another shot in a few months. If you still don't enjoy it, then it might not be for you.
 
I didn't own a PS3 but I watched a full playthrough on YouTube and yeah I get it. I wouldn't want to play a game like this but considering I didn't have a PS3 I have to consider the other titles I'd be accustomed to as a PS3 owner, Uncharted, God of War, Infamous. All incredible cinematic 3rd person experiences, so it makes sense TLOU trumps them. But yeah it's not really my thing.

This post will get ignored tho cos Sony Side.

It will get ignored because you have never played it
 
And then you immediately say this:

But going on to say that suddenly, a game that has won the most GOTY awards ever in the history and within a year of fierce competition (GTAV, Bioshock infinite etc), is an overrated piece of crap and present it as UTTER GRABAGE, is really, beyond my understanding.

Context man. It sounds very much like you're still talking about the OP and you certainly never clarified that you weren't.

And seriously, relax a bit. This hyperdefensiveness wont get you far.

My contex is pretty straightforward in my original post.

I was refering specifically to people who present their opinions as facts. There are lots of posts like these in this thread. I was clear.

I have no issue and i can perfectly understand someone saying : "i dont like this game, it isnt fun for me and it does not appeal to me".

Perfectly alright statement.

But when someone says something like: " this game is way overrated" or "this game is underwhelming,crap , whatever" ie when someone generalizes and talks as if what he says is fact, then there is a problem.

State your opinion, but dont generalize and make it sound like what you say is the undeniable truth.

And something else, i also said that i am not talking specifically about TLOU but every popular product out there. I dont have to defend popular products, their accolades do that for themselves. I just dont like it when people state their personnal opinions as facts.

Anyway thats all.
 
I had the same reaction as OP while playing the game. I remember being a little bit disappointed, and not understanding the high praise - and oddly enough for something made by Naughty Dog, I was actually enjoying the gameplay more than the story.

But let me tell you this, OP - I'm not kidding when I say that shit goes down so hard in the last third that you will immediately forget any complaints you may have had with the game. Seriously. The story just gets better and better and the ending is one of my favourite things in any medium. It also puts the rest of the story in a different perspective, and on replays you'll notice the subtle character development that the writers put in. I still personally don't feel like it's the greatest game ever made, but it's pretty damn good.
 
I didn't own a PS3 but I watched a full playthrough on YouTube and yeah I get it. I wouldn't want to play a game like this but considering I didn't have a PS3 I have to consider the other titles I'd be accustomed to as a PS3 owner, Uncharted, God of War, Infamous. All incredible cinematic 3rd person experiences, so it makes sense TLOU trumps them. But yeah it's not really my thing.

This post will get ignored tho cos Sony Side.

If you watch a lets play on youtube it's obviously gonna feel like just a cinematic game/movie with no gameplay :/
 
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So weird seeing Mick McCarthy as a meme.
 
The first few hours are slow because you lack a lot of equipment that make the combat sandboxes fun. I definetly enjoyed the game more the further i got.

Just don't be too stingy with your recources. There's enough stuff around even on the harder difficulties.

That said, i don't think it's nearly as good as proclaimed either. Maybe it's because i've read a lot of post apocalyptic fition, and thus the story didn't resonate with me as much as with others, but i didn't feel it was some masterpiece of fiction. The gameplay is certainly more insteresting than uncharted though, even though you are glad the game ends when it ends.
 
People that like The Last of Us will often claim that it has the best graphics, or an amazing story, or excellent stealth gameplay etc. You don't see all of these prefaced with "this is just my personal humble opinion" disclaimers. Why should someone need marginalise their own opinion on The Last of Us simply because they don't think it's amazing? And why is that considered hate?

I never said that this is not wrong both ways. As you very well put it, people who often exagerrate and talk like there is nothing else except XXX game and that it has the best graphics ever, or the best story ever, is not any different.

If they state their opinions as facts, then they, as well are in the same boat as those that I mentioned.

In any case I am not a fan of exaggeration, wether it is in the form of praise or hatred.
 
Not really. Feels like a Silent Hill game to me. Pick up what you need, solve "puzzles", and move on.

Story game.

(disclaimer, not counting super hardcore mode not giving the player ammo)

How do you know what it 'feels like'? You haven't played it.

You make make any game sound shit by breaking it down. Look, I'll do Zelda. 'Collect items, solve "puzzles", slash stuff with a sword and move on'.
 
If you watch a lets play on youtube it's obviously gonna feel like just a cinematic game/movie with no gameplay :/

I watch plenty of footage from games, and can gain a reasonable amount of information on how it plays. There's been very few times where I've watched a significant amount of gameplay, then picked up a joypad to find that it plays completely differently to how I'd imagined.

Games are primarily an audio/visual medium, when supplied with both the lack of pressing buttons doesn't usually do much to obscure the gameplay systems from you

I never said that this is not wrong both ways. As you very well put it, people who often exagerrate and talk like there is nothing else except XXX game and that it has the best graphics ever, or the best story ever, is not any different.

If they state their opinions as facts, then they, as well are in the same boat as those that I mentioned.

In any case I am not a fan of exaggeration, wether it is in the form of praise or hatred.

Ok, this is fine I guess. I don't think people should need to state "I think this game is good" rather than "this game is good" every time they make an opinion, but if you feel that way about either case, then it's less of an issue.

This does bring about another question though. Seeing as it is so common for people to state that TLoU is game of the year/generation/forever, and will usually state this is a factual sounding manor, would this now mean that they are in fact "overrating" the game? As this would be a case of widespread exaggeration.
 
You were blinded by the HYPE, delerious even, and in the end all you found was a great game that perhaps didn't meet the expectations tallied by the perfect 10 scores.


just spit-balling of course

I just finished the game and I think it is a remarkable achievement for the medium.
 
Not really. Feels like a Silent Hill game to me. Pick up what you need, solve "puzzles", and move on.

Story game.

(disclaimer, not counting super hardcore mode not giving the player ammo)

Puzzles? Unless you count moving a ladder as a puzzle, I think you're talking out of your ass.
 
The first few hours are slow because you lack a lot of equipment that make the combat sandboxes fun. I definetly enjoyed the game more the further i got.

Just don't be too stingy with your recources. There's enough stuff around even on the harder difficulties.

That said, i don't think it's nearly as good as proclaimed either. Maybe it's because i've read a lot of post apocalyptic fition, and thus the story didn't resonate with me as much as with others, but i didn't feel it was some masterpiece of fiction. The gameplay is certainly more insteresting than uncharted though, even though you are glad the game ends when it ends.

Not on Survivor it doesn't ;_________;

I agree with you that TLOU is actually pretty by-the-number apocalypse story, though. Many of the usual tropes are in full-effect here.
 
If I made a post like this about Titanfall I'd probably get banned again.

I personally think The Last of Us is one of the best games ever made. It's story is engaging and you can relate to its characters, I'd much rather take this over a generic shooter any day.
 
I watch plenty of footage from games, and can gain a reasonable amount of information on how it plays. There's been very few times where I've watched a significant amount of gameplay, then picked up a joypad to find that it plays completely differently to how I'd imagined.

Games are primarily an audio/visual medium, when supplied with both the lack of pressing buttons doesn't usually do much to obscure the gameplay systems from you.

In a game like TLOU, where there is a heavy emphasis on the story and narrative, I think that it can be quite easy to watch a lets play and to almost disregard the gameplay sections and focus on the story and cutscenes, which are so well done in this game. This is why I think that a lot of people who have only watched the game being played will remember the aspects of the game which we're most suited to their experience of the game: the cutscenes, narrative, story, rather than the gameplay.
 
In a game like TLOU, where there is a heavy emphasis on the story and narrative, I think that it can be quite easy to watch a lets play and to almost disregard the gameplay sections and focus on the story and cutscenes, which are so well done in this game. This is why I think that a lot of people who have only watched the game being played will remember the aspects of the game which we're most suited to their experience of the game: the cutscenes, narrative, story, rather than the gameplay.

Yep. Until you've stoved a clickers head in with a baseball bat binded with scissors you have no frame of reference
 
In a game like TLOU, where there is a heavy emphasis on the story and narrative, I think that it can be quite easy to watch a lets play and to almost disregard the gameplay sections and focus on the story and cutscenes, which are so well done in this game. This is why I think that a lot of people who have only watched the game being played will remember the aspects of the game which we're most suited to their experience of the game: the cutscenes, narrative, story, rather than the gameplay.

Let's be honest tho, that's like awarding Avatar with a best makeup category.
 
Ok, this is fine I guess. I don't think people should need to state "I think this game is good" rather than "this game is good" every time they make an opinion, but if you feel that way about either case, then it's less of an issue.

This does bring about another question though. Seeing as it is so common for people to state that TLoU is game of the year/generation/forever, and will usually state this is a factual sounding manor, would this now mean that they are in fact "overrating" the game? As this would be a case of widespread exaggeration.

It would be looking like they are "overrating" it, i believe, if it werent for the acollades the product has earned and in this case, in the context of fierce competition, ie earning so many awards even though we had GTAV , Bioshock infinite, both amazing games as well.

That doesnt mean people dont exaggerate in forums or in general tho. They do that, in spades. But due to the general amount of praise the product has received, you could not say that it is completely overrated. It could be a bit, I understand that, i dont think TLOU deserves 200 GOTY awards, maybe it deserved 100, but you cant deny the fact IMHO, that by earning even the half of what it did, that the game did some things right. You may not like the game per se, by you have to recognize that it achieved something good.

I for example dont like Little Big Planet. I just dont get it, but I do recognize that for a lot of people it is a great and awesome game. I wont call it "overrated" because "I" didnt like it.

And btw thanks for the good manner in which you post and debate with me. :)
 
In a game like TLOU, where there is a heavy emphasis on the story and narrative, I think that it can be quite easy to watch a lets play and to almost disregard the gameplay sections and focus on the story and cutscenes, which are so well done in this game. This is why I think that a lot of people who have only watched the game being played will remember the aspects of the game which we're most suited to their experience of the game: the cutscenes, narrative, story, rather than the gameplay.

That's definitely possible. But it's making the assumption that the person didn't actually pay attention to the gameplay elements when they were on though. I don't really think that's fair to claim when a full long play would contain far more gameplay than story elements. He could very easily have made his mind up on the gameplay during all those hours of watching it, rather than by memory later on.

I guess the most valid contention to watching the game is that you could choose to play it differently if you had control. If I watch someone awful playing Titanfall, it's possible that I may be convinced that it plays closer to Call of Duty than it potentially could.
 
My contex is pretty straightforward in my original post.

I was refering specifically to people who present their opinions as facts. There are lots of posts like these in this thread. I was clear.

I have no issue and i can perfectly understand someone saying : "i dont like this game, it isnt fun for me and it does not appeal to me".

Perfectly alright statement.

But when someone says something like: " this game is way overrated" or "this game is underwhelming,crap , whatever" ie when someone generalizes and talks as if what he says is fact, then there is a problem.

State your opinion, but dont generalize and make it sound like what you say is the undeniable truth.

And something else, i also said that i am not talking specifically about TLOU but every popular product out there. I dont have to defend popular products, their accolades do that for themselves. I just dont like it when people state their personnal opinions as facts.

Anyway thats all.
I totally understood what you were trying to say after you clarified, but your original post was not clear about not referring specifically to the OP. Then you got ultra defensive about it, which was unnecessary as you just had to clarify what you meant and it would have been fine. Very few people here are perfectly articulate at all times and never say something that might be interpreted differently from what they mean.

As for what you're saying, I agree for the most part, although I don't see a whole lot of people doing what you're talking about. And a lot of times, the 'in my opinion' part can be implied. If somebody says 'TLOU sucks' or 'the gameplay was bad', it kinda goes without saying that its just their opinion. It would be annoying to have to write 'in my opinion' in every single instance of stating of our opinion throughout life, ya know? But I do agree that some people do try and talk about their opinion as if its objective fact sometimes and that is annoying.
 
I also had my problems with it, i don't think it has good gameplay (stealth or shooting).
The best parts about this game for me was the traversal-parts where you just go from point A to B and the game is stuffed with them. It's like Skyrim on rails for me (Skyrim, the other game where i love to just walk along and are not too excited about the gameplay except shooting Arrows)
 
I totally understood what you were trying to say after you clarified, but your original post was not clear about not referring specifically to the OP. Then you got ultra defensive about it, which was unnecessary as you just had to clarify what you meant and it would have been fine. Very few people here are perfectly articulate at all times and never say something that might be interpreted differently from what they mean.

As for what you're saying, I agree for the most part, although I don't see a whole lot of people doing what you're talking about. And a lot of times, the 'in my opinion' part can be implied. If somebody says 'TLOU sucks' or 'the gameplay was bad', it kinda goes without saying that its just their opinion. It would be annoying to have to write 'in my opinion' in every single instance of stating of our opinion throughout life, ya know? But I do agree that some people do try and talk about their opinion as if its objective fact sometimes and that is annoying.

Thanks for your response and yes in the end perhaps you are correct. I believe it is my bad for expecting people to post in a more "formal" way than they should.
 
That's definitely possible. But it's making the assumption that the person didn't actually pay attention to the gameplay elements when they were on though. I don't really think that's fair to claim when a full long play would contain far more gameplay than story elements. He could very easily have made his mind up on the gameplay during all those hours of watching it, rather than by memory later on.

I guess the most valid contention to watching the game is that you could choose to play it differently if you had control. If I watch someone awful playing Titanfall, it's possible that I may be convinced that it plays closer to Call of Duty than it potentially could.

I think this is nonsense. Playing games, they have a feel that can't be got from youtube. The satisfaction of doing certain things in games just feels right. Be it a baseball bat to a clickers head in TLoU or a combo in Street Fighter, or a jump in Mario. This makes up a huge part of what is enjoyable about a game. The way you put it we may as well just all go home and watch Youtube vids
 
Puzzles? Unless you count moving a ladder as a puzzle, I think you're talking out of your ass.

It's kind of a fair assessment though. The game takes you through action segments, stealth, set pieces, environmental hazards to pass over or around. The core gameplay and experience is really quite standard for action games so he is pretty fair to say that.

Now, the game does what it does to a fairly high standard, but if you have been playing games a long time, it isn't doing much new.
 
Thank you. I've said it a gazillion TIMES. Has no else seen this movie?!?!

so what? why do people keep doing this?

the post-apocalyptic genre is well established in other mediums, over-overwhelmingly so in Film.

its the road,

no

its Children of men.


no its robocop meets jurassic park.

getting as tedious as those who masturbate to it profusely
 
OP, not everybody has to like everything. Sometimes, a game just isn't for you.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Platinum games. I don't like Bayonetta, I think Vanquish is ok, and I haven't played MGS Rising. Don't feel bad for not liking The Last of Us. If it's not doing it for you, move on to something that is. Your time is too valuable to waste on something you aren't feeling.

I usually don't write off games, but I try to at least put some hours into them to see if they click with me later on (mostly with RPGs, as they tend to be slow burns in every category from story to character growth/gameplay mechanics). I notice a lot on the internet that many people seem to think that they need to buy, play, and enjoy everything. Just because a game/movie/book has a premise you may find interesting, doesn't mean that the little things that make that game/movie/book what it is will appeal to you. I like horror movies, but movies like Hostel and SAW don't do it for me.

You may like third person shooters, or survival horror games with undead zombies, but that doesn't mean that The Last of Us is the game for you. It definitely is expertly made, with a lot of care given to presentation and game design, but it's not going to have the same impact on everyone.

Journey is a similar situation. I found the game incredibly moving, beautiful, and unforgettable. Some other people think it's shit. Don't force yourself to "like" something because you think you have to. You don't HAVE to like TLOU. Or anything for that matter.
 
If I made a post like this about Titanfall I'd probably get banned again.

I personally think The Last of Us is one of the best games ever made. It's story is engaging and you can relate to its characters, I'd much rather take this over a generic shooter any day.

What does Titanfall have to do with this thread?
 
I don't get Titanfall or Journey. In other words, some people don't like certain games. TLOU is pretty fantastic in almost every way.
 
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