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[SomeNorseGuy]

Apart from some shoddy quality control in the early days, the ONE's push for TVtvTV and the Series S's lack of RAM I've never seen the Xbox consoles as either inferior or bad.

MS on the other hand has been a shitty company since forever. Sadly that dislike has been bleeding over to the Xbox brand more and more lately as it's seemingly getting assimilated into the general MS business/consumer shitshow.

Nothing would please me more then the return of the happy & healthy Xbox. But sadly I think

The only wild-card is the supposed upcoming, in-house, hybrid system they've been talking about. But at this point I'm keeping my expectations firmy in check.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

More like asking people in life boats why aren't they still on the Titanic

Am I still on Titanic?

Nah, this ship is unsinkable.

It will tear right through the iceberg.

 

[keefged4]

Option A) Bought out studios with no direction or enthusiasm to make an effort with access to inferior versions of third party games
Option B) About 1 or 2 exclusives per year with a sprinkling of woke GAAS on top, with access to decent versions of third party games
Option C) Access to literally everything except Bloodborne and GTA 6 at launch, best version of third party games BUT Shader cache stutter
Option D) Konichiwa! That'll be 90 dorras onegaishimasu. prease understand.

They are all a bit shit thesedays tbh

 

[Topher]

Am I still on Titanic?

Nah, this ship is unsinkable.

It will tear right through the iceberg.

Rock on man

sorry....had to

 

[DanielG165]

The actual hardware has been excellent since the One S, and is at its peak right now with the Series X. The latter is one of the best pieces of tech that I have personally ever used, with its predecessor, the One X, being up there as well. The fact that I can not hear the Series X, ever, despite throwing big current gen games at it, a lot of them being UE5 titles, is wholly impressive. Even the software implementation is great, with things like Quick Resume and Auto HDR being huge boons for me.

 

[Interfectum]

Microsoft is the problem, not the Xbox itself.

Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox Series X are legit good machines. They fucked up with Xbox One and all the stupid shit Phil Spencer has done.

 

[Zephyranthes]

Early PS3 days is when Sony had the most competition. Sounds more like you prefer when Sony don't have any competition.

Sony's dominance in the PS2 generation made them arrogant, hence the initial pricing and general marketing attitude surrounding the PS3. The success of the XBox 360 helped bring them back down to earth.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Sony's dominance in the PS2 generation made them arrogant, hence the initial pricing and general marketing attitude surrounding the PS3. The success of the XBox 360 helped bring them back down to earth.

I wish the 360's success made Xbox just arrogant. I would have been so happy by comparison.

Instead, it made they aersol huffing retarded for close to 15 years.

 

[Ellis]

• GAF: The shittier PS5 gets, the more they lash out at Xbox.

Lash out, no. Laugh ? absolutely.

Worst PS generation (I agree), yet they're still absolutely trouncing everything Xbox does. That just goes to show how abysmal Xbox has been the last two gens. They can't even counter this disappointment of a PS generation.

And yet, PS5 is STILL outselling Series by massive numbers. STILL getting decent sales from their first party (however few there are) games. STILL getting branding and marketing for all major future third party games like GTA. STILL keeping their hardware on retailers shelves. STILL have a plan for future hardware that will actually see the light of day.

With that. STILL doing something right to keep their userbase and brand alive.

Meanwhile at Xbox.....

Yeah. RIP.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Can't be bothered with another generation of "listening to feedback" , more excuses pushed by their social media lackeys and underwhelming content.

It's the same people behind their next hardware release as the previous, I don't see any reason to be excited for it.

 

[laynelane]

Sony's dominance in the PS2 generation made them arrogant, hence the initial pricing and general marketing attitude surrounding the PS3. The success of the XBox 360 helped bring them back down to earth.

A bigger factor was that initial sales of the PS3 were dismal. People refused to buy it at the initial price and were not shy about voicing their criticism. Not really much to do with the 360 - if that was a factor, Sony would have never even tried to price the PS3 like they did at the beginning.

 

[Alan Silvestro]

I don't buy anything Microsoft related. Many people I know, do the same.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Lash out, no. Laugh ? absolutely.

Worst PS generation (I agree), yet they're still absolutely trouncing everything Xbox does. That just goes to show how abysmal Xbox has been the last two gens. They can't even counter this disappointment of a PS generation.

And yet, PS5 is STILL outselling Series by massive numbers. STILL getting decent sales from their first party (however few there are) games. STILL getting branding and marketing for all major future third party games like GTA. STILL keeping their hardware on retailers shelves. STILL have a plan for future hardware that will actually see the light of day.

With that. STILL doing something right to keep their userbase and brand alive.

Meanwhile at Xbox.....

Yeah. RIP.

Must feel great playing "sales" on PS5.

Xbros don't laugh at Sony as much, doesn't mean they're not enthralled with what Sony is doing these days.

 

[Ellis]

Must feel great playing "sales" on PS5.

Xbros don't laugh at Sony as much, doesn't mean they're not enthralled with what Sony is doing these days.

I don't limit myself to one option. I have all the current consoles, and a PC.

They all piss me off and disappoint me for different reasons.

As for playing. I'm currently playing GoT Yoti, and it is great. I can't remember the last time I purchased a game (I actually buy my games) on my SX I enjoyed.

Actually, I can. It was Indiana Jones, but I ended up waiting to grab the better version of it on my Pro.
I'll more than likely do that for every Xbox studios game going forward.

Why would I want to play them on my least favourite of the current consoles.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I don't limit myself to one option. I have all the current consoles, and a PC.

They all piss me off and disappoint me for different reasons.

As for playing. I'm currently playing GoT Yoti, and it is great. I can't remember the last time I purchased a game (I actually buy my games) on my SX I enjoyed.

Actually, I can. It was Indiana Jones, but I ended up waiting to grab the better version of it on my Pro.

Ghost of Yotei is soooo much better than what Xbox made this year.

Right …..

 

[Ellis]

Ghost of Yotei is soooo much better than what Xbox made this year.

Right …..

By a massive margin, yes.

 

[m14]

Ghost of Yotei is soooo much better than what Xbox made this year.

Right …..

Don't bother with him, vai. He openly admitted to having attended PlayStation concerts, so don't be expecting any semblance of objectivity.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Don't bother with him, vai. He openly admitted to having attended PlayStation concerts, so don't be expecting any semblance of objectivity.

Got it.

Anyone clinging to sales too hard is usually the sign. I mean, xbox isn't winning the sales war anytime soon.

 

[SuperC]

Ghost of Yotei is soooo much better than what Xbox made this year.

Right …..

Id rather replay doom dark ages over whatever slop sony made in the last few years

 

[Ellis]

Don't bother with him, vai. He openly admitted to having attended PlayStation concerts, so don't be expecting any semblance of objectivity.

I like this.

In my defence. They were absolutely banging.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Id rather replay doom dark ages over whatever slop sony made in the last few years

Sarcasm, dude.

 

[iQuasarLV]

Microsoft has been failing for 12 years now on business decisions. Gamepass needed to be something beyond Steam + Geforce Now, but it wasn't. They have alienated their customers ever since the announcement of the XBone.

 

[Astray]

Got it.

Anyone clinging to sales too hard is usually the sign. I mean, xbox isn't winning the sales war anytime soon.

Are they winning any kind of war anytime soon?

 

[Ellis]

Are they winning any kind of war anytime soon?

I could see them winning the gaming cloud war in the future. They have all the resources to get ahead of Sony in that area. Currently they're behind, and offer a worse infrastructure, but I can see them doing well at this if they go all in. Depending on when the market calls for it.

Local hardware though. They're done.
They no longer have any idea what they're doing and are just throwing shit at the wall trying to make it stick.

 

[Astray]

I could see them winning the gaming cloud war in the future. They have all the resources to get ahead of Sony in that area. Currently they're behind, and offer a worse infrastructure, but I can see them doing well at this if they go all in. Depending on when the market calls for it.

I can still see them fail at that too.

They simply have no idea how to run an entertainment business. What makes them fail in the console arena will catch-up with them in the 3rd Party Publishing and Cloud gaming markets. Just give it time..

 

[Ellis]

I can still see them fail at that too.

They simply have no idea how to run an entertainment business. What makes them fail in the console arena will catch-up with them in the 3rd Party Publishing and Cloud gaming markets. Just give it time..

I'd agree if it were to happen anytime soon, but by the time it actually does, the current team of idiots at Xbox will be long gone. Xbox itself too probably. Microsoft will just create a new brand.

 

[Astray]

I'd agree if it were to happen anytime soon, but by the time it actually does, the current team of idiots at Xbox will be long gone. Xbox itself too probably. Microsoft will just create a new brand.

It will still fail because Microsoft is a software and services company first, and entertainment simply isn't something they're good at.

Don't know if you saw the Bobby Kotick sit-down where he talked about meeting Satya for the ABK deal, but he basically told them they shouldn't be in gaming and to go buy SAP or something. And he's absolutely right.

Ex-Activision CEO Told Xbox To Quit Gaming; Believes It Lacks Creativity

The former Activision Blizzard CEO has recalled his first meeting with Satya Nadella, stating that he advised Microsoft to give up on Xbox.

tech4gamers.com

 

[Dane]

Because some people can't get over E3 2006, especially here.

It will still fail because Microsoft is a software and services company first, and entertainment simply isn't something they're good at.

Don't know if you saw the Bobby Kotick sit-down where he talked about meeting Satya for the ABK deal, but he basically told them they shouldn't be in gaming and to go buy SAP or something. And he's absolutely right.

Ex-Activision CEO Told Xbox To Quit Gaming; Believes It Lacks Creativity

The former Activision Blizzard CEO has recalled his first meeting with Satya Nadella, stating that he advised Microsoft to give up on Xbox.

tech4gamers.com

The same person who made the whole company a COD factory, ironic that in the last 12 months or so MS had more variety than ABK had in the last 10 years.

 

[Astray]

The same person who made the whole company a COD factory.

A Cod Factory that raked in 10s of billions.

And before that a Guitar Hero factory, and before that a Tony Hawk factory..etc etc

Dude has probably the strongest track record in the US gaming industry.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Microsofts software strategy has been a disaster. They series X is debatably the more powerful console - it often pulls ahead wwhen compared to the PS5 on alot of games but it lacks good games (aka bangers). MS somehow thinks that GP is enough, its not.

Gamepass was great when it was 2 bucks a month, not 20. Also, theyve had years now to produce good quality exclusive games to get people to buy a series console - they havent done that. Couple that with the xbox's one poor performance last gen, youd think MS would come out swiging this gen with real competition.

I got one 3 years ago and loaded up on GP ultimate to take advatgae, i loved it while it lasted. I also use it for cheap single player games but in its current state, its going nowhere.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

It is Microsoft.

Nobody believes in them and they have shown time and time again to be one of the worst companies in gaming: They killed big IPs or Dev studios, they pushed for everything being a big service so you keep paying them or lose everything. If you want to buy a physical game from anything that MS own, chances are that there will be nothing in it, even if they false advertise the opposite (the physical "deluxe" edition of the remake of Oblivion is a recent example, and it looks like Outer Worlds 2 will be the same scam)

 

[Dane]

A Cod Factory that raked in 10s of billions.

And before that a Guitar Hero factory, and before that a Tony Hawk factory..etc etc

Dude has probably the strongest track record in the US gaming industry.

That makes even worse, he was milking these franchises into the ground but COD became a massive franchise with Modern Warfare at the same time, creativity is the last thing he would know about.

 

[Astray]

That makes even worse, he was milking these franchises into the ground but COD became a massive franchise with Modern Warfare at the same time, creativity is the last thing he would know about.

You need creativity to know how to guide a bankrupt company in a creative field into being a global powerhouse. He was the one who greenlit all these franchises and he's the one who extracted maximum value out of them.

If you require proof of this, just watch what the creativity-deficient MS execs will do to COD. They have already started running it into the ground imo, BF6 is just the start.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

You need creativity to know how to guide a bankrupt company in a creative field into being a global powerhouse. He was the one who greenlit all these franchises and he's the one who extracted maximum value out of them.

If you require proof of this, just watch what the creativity-deficient MS execs will do to COD. They have already started running it into the ground imo, BF6 is just the start.

They make longer, unconventional bets.

A lot of their games have been successful that you choose to ignore.

I can see COD going in a lull, before making a comeback.

Nintendo was in a lull during N64/ Gamecube era. Look where it is now.

 

[Astray]

They make longer, unconventional bets.

A lot of their games have been successful that you choose to ignore.

I can see COD going in a lull, before making a comeback.

Nintendo was in a lull during N64/ Gamecube era. Look where it is now.

Their bets are unconventional because they are bad and most market players with sense avoid them.

What games have I ignored here? Let's be reminded that this is a company that needed the mothership to pitch in over $80bn to find any semblance of competitiveness. And this is after spending over 20 years in the industry without building any lasting rapport amongst the gaming community.

Nintendo was still dominating handhelds all the way up to the Wii U's launch, people conveniently forget that for the longest time, Nintendo have been built on two pillars and not just one (just last gen they merged into one business line).

 

[Dane]

You need creativity to know how to guide a bankrupt company in a creative field into being a global powerhouse. He was the one who greenlit all these franchises and he's the one who extracted maximum value out of them.

If you require proof of this, just watch what the creativity-deficient MS execs will do to COD. They have already started running it into the ground imo, BF6 is just the start.

MW3 was the final game pre-acquisition and is regarded as the worst one in the reboot as it was meant to be a DLC, Black Ops 6 which was the first one under MS is regarded as one of the best. Overwatch was ran into the ground and there was reports that Activision was pressuring Blizzard for more monetization which is why OW2 was a refactoring of the original with few new content to be worth of a sequel and F2P (even the promised campaign was cancelled) and now it is regarded being in a better state.

Meanwhile Microsoft has published a variety of well received games and even their GaaS games are supported for years.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Microsoft sucks, and so does there media control, shilling and bribing. The video game industry is a better place without them

 

[Astray]

MW3 was the final game pre-acquisition and is regarded as the worst one in the reboot as it was meant to be a DLC, Black Ops 6 is regarded as one of the best. Overwatch was ran into the ground and there was reports that Activision was pressuring Blizzard for more monetization which is why OW2 was a refactoring of the original with few new content to be worth of a sequel and F2P (even the promised campaign was cancelled).

The counterpoint to this is all these franchises were greenlit by Kotick in the 1st place. If he didn't then they wouldn't have even come out, let alone flourished and reached their peak.

Has Overwatch improved after MS bought ABK? No. Marvel Rivals actually ate its lunch recently.
Was Black Ops 6 developed with any kind of input from MS? No. The game got greenlit by Kotick and his team, and then came out a mere year after they closed the deal, Treyarch were likely deep into QA by the time the ABK transaction closed.

So how has Microsoft done anything to improve on what Kotick did?

Meanwhile Microsoft has published a variety of well received games and even their GaaS games are supported for years.

And yet these geniuses who "published a variety of well received games and even their GaaS games are supported for years." still found their way to begging the public and all regulators into allowing them to buy ABK from Kotick because otherwise they won't compete.

 

[Dane]

The counterpoint to this is all these franchises were greenlit by Kotick in the 1st place. If he didn't then they wouldn't have even come out, let alone flourished and reached their peak.

Has Overwatch improved after MS bought ABK? No. Marvel Rivals actually ate its lunch recently.
Was Black Ops 6 developed with any kind of input from MS? No. The game got greenlit by Kotick and his team, and then came out a mere year after they closed the deal, Treyarch were likely deep into QA by the time the ABK transaction closed.

So how has Microsoft done anything to improve on what Kotick did?

And yet these geniuses who "published a variety of well received games and even their GaaS games are supported for years." still found their way to begging the public and all regulators into allowing them to buy ABK from Kotick because otherwise they won't compete.

Call of Duty games are made in a 3 year dev time which means that a third of its development was under Microsoft, Overwatch 2 improved under new ownership after its distasteful release.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

What games have I ignored here? Let's be reminded that this is a company that needed the mothership to pitch in over $80bn to find any semblance of competitiveness. And this is after spending over 20 years in the industry without building any lasting rapport amongst the gaming community.

Minecraft, AOE, Flight Sim, Forza Horizon Sea of Thieves…. From top of my head, all are well managed.

Nintendo was still dominating handhelds all the way up to the Wii U's launch, people conveniently forget that for the longest time, Nintendo have been built on two pillars and not just one (just last gen they merged into one business line).

Hard to say they dominated when it was a kids accessory back then, just like how smartphone are these days, to keep them entertained.

These days players actively play games on their platform.

 

[Astray]

Call of Duty games are made in a 3 year dev time which means that a third of its development was under Microsoft, Overwatch 2 improved under new ownership after its distasteful release.

OW2 completely tanked the moment good competition showed up.

We'll see how COD does with BF6 knocking on its doors.

Minecraft, AOE, Flight Sim, Forza Horizon Sea of Thieves…. From top of my head, all are well managed.

I mean the Sea of Thieves studio just got a bunch of layoffs and even lost its game director, FlightSim had an iteration with super mixed reviews, and AOE is a super niche franchise to begin with.

Horizon is going strong, but impossible not to mention how Forza Motorsport got completely gutted now.

Minecraft/Mojang is arguably the only thing MS did unequivocally right with their acquisitions imo, they even managed to find applications of it to sell to education companies too (I know a friend who works in that exact field).

Hard to say they dominated when it was a kids accessory back then, just like how smartphone are these days, to keep them entertained.

Handhelds are a very viable medium of gaming (some might even say they've regained relevance now!).

The Gameboy is absolutely not a kids accessory, without it the idea of playing games on your phone might not have even happened!

 

[Labadal]

I have no problem with Xbox, but I don't need one. They also release everything on PC.

 

[gtabro]

For me it was the overly crammed and annoying to use menus of Xbox One.

 

[Loope]

A Cod Factory that raked in 10s of billions.

And before that a Guitar Hero factory, and before that a Tony Hawk factory..etc etc

Dude has probably the strongest track record in the US gaming industry.

Just for Tony Hawk the guy is a hero, there i said it. And these new remakes (at least 1 and 2) are so mint.

 

[Zephyranthes]

A bigger factor was that initial sales of the PS3 were dismal. People refused to buy it at the initial price and were not shy about voicing their criticism. Not really much to do with the 360 - if that was a factor, Sony would have never even tried to price the PS3 like they did at the beginning.

The two things are not unrelated. Part of the reason why people refused to buy the PS3 at its launch price was because a cheaper alternative was already available. Why pay FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS when you could pay $399 for an Xbox 360 that could play most of the same games?

I wish the 360's success made Xbox just arrogant. I would have been so happy by comparison.

Instead, it made they aersol huffing retarded for close to 15 years.

True, unfortunately. At least Sony had the wherewithal to change course when they were getting their butts kicked by Microsoft....the latter seems unwilling to do so even now after getting trounced for two straight console generations.

 

[laynelane]

The two things are not unrelated. Part of the reason why people refused to buy the PS3 at its launch price was because a cheaper alternative was already available. Why pay FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS when you could pay $399 for an Xbox 360 that could play most of the same games?

Do you know why the 360 did not become the default console for most people at the time? It's because PS customers just didn't buy a new console. They waited, Sony produced the slim, lowered the price, and got back on track. There was no mass exodus to Xbox and the sales numbers of that generation and the following ones prove that. As well, people didn't pay the initial price of the PS3 because it was outrageously expensive, irrespective to what Xbox was charging.

The other reason is that Sony and Xbox were not interchangeable at the time. I'd argue they aren't now either, but it was more obvious back then. Depending on what you like to play, an Xbox was not a replacement for a PS3 and vice-versa. So, again, the idea that a console that was already on the market for a year somehow made a difference in how Sony handled the PS3 doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Customers taking a stand and pushing back is what actually happened.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I mean the Sea of Thieves studio just got a bunch of layoffs and even lost its game director, FlightSim had an iteration with super mixed reviews, and AOE is a super niche franchise to begin with.

Horizon is going strong, but impossible not to mention how Forza Motorsport got completely gutted now.

This is a whole bunch of concern trolling.

How can any Flight Sim player (actual player with skin in the game) not be thrilled with where franchise is going??

You know what, its always funny to see in Halo threads, people who don't play the game, getting concerned about franchise future and how its irrelevant.

Same feeling I am getting here.

 

[Bkdk]

I don't like playing on consoles at the modding capabilities are super limited. I do like MS overall more than Sony though because I still play and like AOE 4, AOE2 plus DE and AOM Retold more than anything sony released since their PS3 days.

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

Xbox was all about Halo and they turned it to shit.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Do you know why the 360 did not become the default console for most people at the time? It's because PS customers just didn't buy a new console. They waited, Sony produced the slim, lowered the price, and got back on track. There was no mass exodus to Xbox and the sales numbers of that generation and the following ones prove that. As well, people didn't pay the initial price of the PS3 because it was outrageously expensive, irrespective to what Xbox was charging.

The other reason is that Sony and Xbox were not interchangeable at the time. I'd argue they aren't now either, but it was more obvious back then. Depending on what you like to play, an Xbox was not a replacement for a PS3 and vice-versa. So, again, the idea that a console that was already on the market for a year somehow made a difference in how Sony handled the PS3 doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Customers taking a stand and pushing back is what actually happened.

LOL. PS2, 150M sold, PS3, 87M. OG Xbox, 21-25M sales, Xbox 360, 85M. God help these fanboys.