I don't "get" TLOU
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It's crazy... it's like a QTE is suddenly some magical thing that defies any description, and is entirely dependant on if you like its inclusion or not.
Are you saying a QTE has no definition? Because that's what this is starting to sound like. You say mine is flawed, Wikipedia's is flawed... and yet don't actually have a definition to give me? How can you say the definition is flawed, if you can't say what a QTE is?
Also, I didn't admit anything. The jump you gave as an example isn't a QTE for the simple reason that even with a button prompt, it doesn't match the definition given. I'm not saying the definition of a QTE varies by context, I'm saying that the QTE is a prompt that happens for a given context... such as an enemy grabbing you. The jump example has no context. There's no event that it relates to, and it's not time dependant... so it's not a QUICK TIME EVENT. I don't understand how this is so confusing. Also knowing the button ahead of time has nothing to do with it. There's no requirement for the button to be random. When balancing on the planks in Shenmue, stabilising yourself was always the A button. It was still a QTE.
This isn't about if TLoU couldn't have implemented it any better or not, it's simply that it is a QTE. Congratulations, they've implemented the QTE really well. Why is the use of the term so offensive to you?
Portugeezer
Member
Do you have to "get" it?
No.
Not every game is for everyone. It's fine to "not get" a game, but do we need to contemplate what we are doing wrong or why we don't like it or whatever? Just accept that maybe it's not your type of game.
Sometimes we can adapt and begin to like a game, other times we don't.
Please don't make this silly baseless claims.
No.
Not every game is for everyone. It's fine to "not get" a game, but do we need to contemplate what we are doing wrong or why we don't like it or whatever? Just accept that maybe it's not your type of game.
Sometimes we can adapt and begin to like a game, other times we don't.
Please don't make this silly baseless claims.
pretty much the same for me
you are so cool....
I enjoyed it, but I felt it was entirely too overrated.
The voice acting was incredible, I loved Joel & Ellie's characters, but I wasn't too keen on the "enemies" in the story. They just seemed way too cliche for me.
My moment of magic in "The Last of Us" was the giraffe scene. Wonderous and moving at the same time.
I felt the same as OP. It never really hooked me in, and I had to force myself to wrap it up in the end, some 6+ months after starting it. There is nothing "wrong" with the game... and it has gameplay mechanics I would love to see added into a new Silent Hill game...
I think that it is because of how the story is structured. It takes place over a long period of time, where each "chapter" or "season" has its own self-contained set of characters and plot... that made the experience a bit fragmented for me, and kept the "hook" from developing.
It's an awkward feeling about the game, even I must admit. But I know I have no desire to replay it... certainly none to double-dip on PS4 version.
I think that it is because of how the story is structured. It takes place over a long period of time, where each "chapter" or "season" has its own self-contained set of characters and plot... that made the experience a bit fragmented for me, and kept the "hook" from developing.
It's an awkward feeling about the game, even I must admit. But I know I have no desire to replay it... certainly none to double-dip on PS4 version.
DrROBschiz
Member
Yeah I played for the story myself
I did enjoy the solid gameplay though it was a bit combat heavy and slightly repetitive. Which I got past because exploration and story drove me forward.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Why would you believe that?
ND fans arent ND fans out of nowhere, since PS1 they do high quality games. Uncharted series are just amazing and have numerous qualities (nice characters, amazing graphics, awesome gameplay), and we can say the same about The Last of Us.
There's nothing wrong to not enjoy Uncharted or TLoU (or dont "get it"). But the games qualities are almost undeniable for what both of those games purpose.
The Last of Us have a very touching characterization, and a deep phylosofy inside its story (kind of Thomas Hobbes point of view in a hippotetical and fictional history). Not just that, the graphics are beautifull (specially by its art direction) and the gameplay is just very fluid.
You dont get it... thats ok, you dont have to. But this game is far from any kind of "piece of shit".
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Based on all the previews it never looked like my kind of game, but I didn't have a ps3 so it made it even easier to just ignore it. I may buy the remastered version if it's cheaper just to see what all the fuss is about.
Did you say it was wiki's definition and not yours? Yes? So i believe the whole "you say mine is flawed" "Wiki's is flawed" is a rather poor attempt to enhance your argument no?
Since that is out of the equation, I believe you can conclude that what I say here is that Wikipedia's definition, the only one ever to be argued, is flawed.
And as I already said, I am not here to define it, nor does someone need to provide his own definition, to understand if someone's existing definition of something is flawed or not. In order to properly define it you have to sit down and walkthrough all types of QTEs and all rules have exceptions.
Point is you put all QTEs in one bag, and the fact of the matter is that it is not that simple.
And no I dont find QTE as a definition "insulting" to appear in a game, I love Heavy Rain and I love God of War. I simply do not agree that the specific thing we are talking about here in the Last of Us, qualifies as a QTE.
So, to use your words, why do you find it so offending if me -and apparently others- believe that the way TLOU handles this thing, does not qualify as a QTE? It seems that you are more offended by the term not being used, hence the whole drama now.
Well ND has a great track record so nothing surprising there.
But...He never said anything like that.
Steiner_Zi
Member
Wow, what an ignorant comment. Have you even played it? It plays nothing like Uncharted. In the beginning I tried to play it like that and I got my ass kicked until I adjusted to the genre the game belonged to: stealth/survival.
Kssio_Aug
Member
But he said that if ND launched a piece of shit game, people would swallow it anyway (with other words, but that was it). How would he conclude it, if theres no game like this made by ND yet?
Also... I did not said that he said that.
yup and Bioshock infinite is COD in the sky
Valkyria chronicles is just anime Command and Conquer.....
I would come up with more ludicrous comparisons but I am currently at work
fallen_dawn
Member
Or, Naughty Dog produce quality games that appeal to a wide market? I'm sure if Naughty Dog released something sub-par, they wouldn't be praised for it.
Even Uncharted 3, while still being a good game, received a deal of flack, especially post-launch.
Neuromancer
Member
NEVER
We can't be friends anymore. I want my beanie back!
No... I said it was THE definition, and then linked to Wikipedia simply to show you I wasn't whipping one up on the spot, and that it has been long defined. Do you actually think I saw the initial comment about the RE4 kick, and ran to Wikipedia to look up a definition, so I could come back here and be like "umm... no"? Seriously? I've known what a QTE is since back in 1999 when Yu Suzuki was detailing its use in Shenmue. The Wiki article was purely for your benefit.
I haven't put all QTE's in a one bag, unless that bag happens to be labelled "QTEs". I'm aware there are different types, just as there are different type of dogs. But I can still point at any of those types, call it a dog, and still be accurate.
Feel free to believe that what happens in TLoU is not a QTE, but unless you can tell me why, I don't see why you should respond to me first to say that I'm wrong. I've given you a definition of a QTE, and TLoU fits it. All you've given me is "I don't think it counts as one.. it's complex", with no explanation as to why that is.
EDIT:
I'm not offended at the term not being used. The game that created the term is in my opinion one of the most important games ever, and in my personal top 5. I see no negative connotation to the term. My issue is that you are claiming that what I'm saying is incorrect, but refusing to determine how. I'm apparently supposed to merely take your word for it that the definition is invalid, and we should all arbitrarily call things QTE's or not based on our feelings or something.
It's the "Titanfall is just CoD with Mechs" argument all over again.
Bigbillybeef
Neo Member
Play it on easy and turn on aim-assist.
Seriously, the gameplay is nothing to write home about. This game is all about the story and atmosphere from art direction and visuals.
Personally I found the framerate hindered the gunplay significantly enough to feel no guilt about playing the game on easy.
Seriously, the gameplay is nothing to write home about. This game is all about the story and atmosphere from art direction and visuals.
Personally I found the framerate hindered the gunplay significantly enough to feel no guilt about playing the game on easy.
I disagree. I think the gameplay is quite bad. It feels clunky, and like I can never get Joel to do what the hell I want him to do. Maybe I'm just terrible, but I don't at all like the way it handles. I really liked the characters (the story itself is unremarkable), but couldn't be bothered to keep trudging through the game. I play games to have fun, and nothing about TLOU was fun to me.
Late to the party here OP but not every game is for everyone. Its fine if you dont like it and no one should say youre an idiot for not liking it. Every have games hitches and bugs that one person will focus on and say the game is bad because of it, and another will ignore and praise its story and aesthetics.
I never liked bioshock, Mass effect to me is MEH effect. I loved 'bad' games like mercs 2. We all have different tastes.
The games that the majority of people like end up being the popular ones naturally and its ok to not agree with them, not because you are trying to be a hipster, but because you genuinely dont like them. There are lots of other games out there.
I never liked bioshock, Mass effect to me is MEH effect. I loved 'bad' games like mercs 2. We all have different tastes.
The games that the majority of people like end up being the popular ones naturally and its ok to not agree with them, not because you are trying to be a hipster, but because you genuinely dont like them. There are lots of other games out there.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
It's absolutely shameful that anyone should feel there's any necessity to avoid expressing their opinion about a video game.
It sounds to me like the game just isn't clicking for you. Don't force yourself to play something you're not enjoying. Sometimes you're just not in the mood. Can be a pain in the butt, especially if you paid day 1 money for something, but in that case, let it sit for a while and try again some other time.
That said, for me personally, the game didn't click at first because I was restarting every time I got spotted at all. I think for your first playthrough at least, it is superior to live with your mistakes and improvise a way to get through the subsequent consequences with the toolset given you. On multiple levels, it's what the game is all about.
Also, my advice is to never let someone oversell an ending for you. You will always be disappointed.
old
Member
What bothers me is that we build up this sanctity around exclusives that one cannot even criticize them without coaching their post with numerous praises so as to not appear blasphemous or be called a troll. No one does this with other games. If they don't like the game then they just say they don't like it. They don't shoehorn in waffling praises to appease the fans.
OP, you didn't like the game. So be it. Don't make apologies for it.
OP, you didn't like the game. So be it. Don't make apologies for it.
DirtyLarry
Member
While I do disagree with the OP wholeheartedly, I do think they have unintentionally sparked a debate worth having...
The whole mentality that only positive things can be said about something or else someone is labeled a troll or they are accused of derailing a thread to me is absolute nonsense. Does everything have to be so black and white. Can there not be civil discussion on two opposite viewpoints?
By the way some people act or respond to anyone that might have something critical or negative to say about something they themselves enjoyed makes it seem like only one point of view is okay for discussion. That to me comes off as very dictatorship like. Not good whatsoever.
But I digress.
The whole mentality that only positive things can be said about something or else someone is labeled a troll or they are accused of derailing a thread to me is absolute nonsense. Does everything have to be so black and white. Can there not be civil discussion on two opposite viewpoints?
By the way some people act or respond to anyone that might have something critical or negative to say about something they themselves enjoyed makes it seem like only one point of view is okay for discussion. That to me comes off as very dictatorship like. Not good whatsoever.
But I digress.
Jeronimo Jones
Member
I don't "get" this thread. Lots of people loved Bioshock and more recently, Dishonored. While they were OK, neither was for me.
There's nothing GAF can do to change that.
There's nothing GAF can do to change that.
AgentLampshade
Member
I have barely any opinion on the game. I played it, I liked it I guess, I moved on. It didn't blow me away like it did a lot of people here but I can't really find any real fault in the game either; everything works as it should and the story and characters are great.
Different strokes I guess. People shouldn't hate on you for not caring about the game.
Different strokes I guess. People shouldn't hate on you for not caring about the game.
Being THE definition, you shouldn't be trying to impress by saying "my definition" "wiki's definition" as if they were 2 different things, am I right?
Then we are on to simply negating every single thing I argued about. I explained WHY, we disagree, thoroughly, and it goes beyond the "i dont think it counts as one its complex" - cheap way in which you try to make me sound ridiculous...
I even said that we agree to disagree, so I dont get who exactly is trying very hard to convince who about what...
You and wikipedia consider this a QTE, the same as a QTE ala Heavy Rain or GOW, where I am pressing a sequence of multiple random buttons while my character does completely new moves that I cant do in game.
I simply do not agree. Nothing more nothing less.
Because the button prompts are not random, it is seamless during gameplay, it doesnt break immerssion or remove the control from the player, you dont perform special moves that your character cant do otherwise, you just press the same button you would have anyway etc etc.
You say wiki definition is fine, I say it is flawed.
Can we live with each other?
PS: I never tried to convince you about anything, I simply stated that your (wiki;s) defnition is flawed according to my opinion.
dapperbandit
Banned
The fact that GAF and the industry in general gushed so excessively for the game makes me like it less.
Perhaps I have a latent hipster gene.
That said, the multiplayer is the best I've played in a TPS.
Perhaps I have a latent hipster gene.
That said, the multiplayer is the best I've played in a TPS.
Some games you just can't get into no matter how popular or awesome they are. It happens. There's a chance you'll come back to it later and it will click. I played it halfway through on ps3 before the ps4 came out. I'll probably get it again on ps4 and finish it. Great game, but yeah....it happens. No big deal.
I loved it and consider it one of my top five games of last gen. That said, if you didn't like it that doesn't mean you're not "getting" something, it just means that the game isn't for you. I've lost track of how many times I thought a popular or critically-acclaimed game (or movie, series, book, etc.) was total crap. Tastes and opinions, that's all.
Dark Octave
Banned
OP this is how I felt about the first Bioshock. I didn't understand the hype so I played it and beat it and still came out confused as to what was so overwhelmingly great about it.
Some games just don't click and that's probably ok.
Some games just don't click and that's probably ok.
(hope i like it)Yo, it's only this board.
Naughty Dog received the 200+ GOTY awards accidentaly....
This.
But how's the definition flawed? It fits perfectly. You can try to establish some sub category of QTEs that splits it into "random buttons" and "same button mashing" but the overall definition is perfectly applicable to both cases.
fallen_dawn
Member
Okay. Yep. That's a whole lot of silliness. And half the reason why I made sure to put "post-launch" in my original comment. Such is hype :/
I didn't try to impress. I was referring to the individual times you've said it was flawed. You called it my definition when I first stated it, and then you called it Wikipedia's definition when I supplied a link. I was just alluding to both of these cases, so as to say that you consider both me, and Wikipedia (and potentially everywhere else on the internet that would agree with this definition) as wrong.
You haven't actually explained why the definition is flawed. You have so far done the following:
- Stated that MGSV:GZ's strangling QTE also isn't a QTE (it is, and this is not an explanation of why not)
- Stated that picking up an item isn't a QTE (it isn't, no time criteria involved)
- Stated that jumping isn't a QTE (it isn't, no context involved, and no time criteria involved)
- Stated that it is fluid and seamless (definition doesn't state that it can't be)
- Stated that the button isn't random (definition doesn't state it needs to be)
- Stated that it's "easy" to succeed (definition makes no allusions to difficulty)
I'm not saying all QTE's are equal. I'm not saying the ones in TLoU are similar in effect or immersion as those in Heavy Rain, God of War, Shenmue or whatever else you have in mind. I'm saying they are all QTE's, much like how Gran Turismo and Wipeout are both racing games, despite all the other differences.
Again a QTE is:
- Happens in a given context. Such as being grabbed by the enemy.
- Prompts the user perform an action. Like pressing L1.
- Offers a limited time window to perform the action.
- Rewards or punishes player based on outcome. Such as dying, or successfully performing an attack.
It is flawed because if the game did not have an obvious button prompt at the bottom of the screen and instead told you in a tutorial "press the action button to evade enemy's grab" , then would it still be a QTE?
Just imagine it you play the game, the 3rd person perspective never changes and the camera angle stays the same, an enemy grabs you and the tutorial has already told you to press the action button to evade. No button prompts no camera angle change no nothing.
You just press the button to escape your enemy.
Does that qualify as a QTE based on Wiki's definition?
If the answer is NO then why is TLOU any different the way it is now? Just because there is a button at the bottom of the screen? Or a camera angle?
If the answer is YES, then I rest my case, but still disagree with wiki's definition for the sole reason that even if there are button prompts,or there arent, in the end it is really irrelevant, because the player performs the exact same actions. Plus as i said I just cant compare QTEs of GOW with TLOU....maybe it's just me.
Bro... I never told you you are wrong... I just said that your definition is flawed, and based on the fact that your definition is actually wiki's what I basically said is that wiki's definition is flawed and the only thing i have with you, is that I disagree with you. That's all.
No need to drag this any further. If you got the impression that I was going at you, then by all means you misunderstood my intentions. There is nothing more than simple disagreement over a wiki definition.
PeregrinSe7en
Member
i guess this thread is a haven for those who didnt like the game judging by some of the comments. its cool though. for me tlou was the GOTG by far
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
I think all the gushing had the same impact on me. My PS3 broke before TLOU came out so I didn't get to play it right off. I played it a few months later when people were still going nuts for the game and I was a bit let down. The game started way too slow. The story was boring and I had to force myself to continue to play. It did eventually pick up, but even then the story wasn't anything revolutionary. Standard fare for a video game. The ending kind of annoyed me too. The protagonist you play as for most of the game ends up being a complete dick and after his actions I couldn't stand the guy. And I had to play as this despicable character for hours. Ugh.
Ah your post history...
I think the main problem here is that. Expectations. People should play TLoU without expectations. That's all. If you think TLoU will be the second coming of Jesus, well, it's finished. TLoU is a simple game. This is why is exceptional. ND give to the simple things a special tastes. imho.
golduck342
Member
I really didn't like the game either. I don't think the graphics were anything out of the ordinary, the gameplay was basically derivative uncharted gameplay which I don't think is that good in the first place. The stealth felt pretty poorly done and annoying. The pacing was really slow, and the story was very minimal, which I felt was supposed to be the best part of the game. The characters were pretty bland, unlikable and not memorable. The ending left a ton to be desired.
The best part of the game was basically the beginning part where it shows the events of the past and how everything happened.
It felt like a game that tried to do so many things, but everything turned out mediocre. I feel like I've already seen and done everything from this game in other games.
Gaf, you guys owe me my 20 hours of gameplay back!
The best part of the game was basically the beginning part where it shows the events of the past and how everything happened.
It felt like a game that tried to do so many things, but everything turned out mediocre. I feel like I've already seen and done everything from this game in other games.
Gaf, you guys owe me my 20 hours of gameplay back!
It's a decent, technically impressive game that's kind of dull to play.. still nowhere near as overrated as Uncharted 2.. least the gameplay seemed a bit less undynamic.
Naughty Dog is similar to Rockstar in that whatever they release gets met with ridiculous hyperbole and praise.
Yes, their production values and technology deserve a lot of praise but I can't say I've honestly enjoyed any of their games apart from Crash Team Racing.
Naughty Dog is similar to Rockstar in that whatever they release gets met with ridiculous hyperbole and praise.
Yes, their production values and technology deserve a lot of praise but I can't say I've honestly enjoyed any of their games apart from Crash Team Racing.
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
It's okay OP, you don't have to force yourself to like it. If you already play it, and think it's not for you, nothing we can do to convince you to like the game