Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
"I like having fun" is one of my favourite parts about Nintengamers. There's not the same obsession about framerates and resolution like we see in PC for example. People are just enjoying themselves.
I hope the Nintendo Switch 2 fails really hard!!!
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"I like having fun" is one of my favourite parts about Nintengamers. There's not the same obsession about framerates and resolution like we see in PC for example. People are just enjoying themselves.
Sinozen
Member
Bro. They're taking advantage of their customers. $80 games, charging $90 for old games with dlc that isn't included, $10 demos, carts with nothing on them. If you don't see a problem with this you're not thinking clearly. Nintendo is anti consumer. The more they get away with the worse it's going to be.
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Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
Yeah. Probably sales of PS5 and PS5 Pro are gonna nosedive if a recession hits. What's a cheaper option for Timmy for the holidays...?
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
The extra costs on games and hardware is all inflation that's come in with the new generation. Compound inflation has been crazy over the last few years. Plus there's a very weak yen now and there are tariffs.
The profit margins are likely the same, or lower. You'll see the same increases with the next PS and Xbox.
That said, considering Nintendo's Switch success l would have liked to have seen games cost absorbed a bit. Maybe they have been and this was the lowest they could do. It's really not in their interest to raise prices to the point that people are complaining.
The profit margins are likely the same, or lower. You'll see the same increases with the next PS and Xbox.
That said, considering Nintendo's Switch success l would have liked to have seen games cost absorbed a bit. Maybe they have been and this was the lowest they could do. It's really not in their interest to raise prices to the point that people are complaining.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Unless they go by "complaining but still buying and hoping". Everything below that being missed profits.
Silentium
Member
OP, do you live on welfare in a trailer park without internet?
Even with the price rises games cost materially less than they did 20-30 years ago; should developers and publishers be stuck at an arbitrary $60 price point forever? And you need to recognise that your preference for physical games a niche interest that 90%+ of the market do not care about.
Even with the price rises games cost materially less than they did 20-30 years ago; should developers and publishers be stuck at an arbitrary $60 price point forever? And you need to recognise that your preference for physical games a niche interest that 90%+ of the market do not care about.
I'm really tired of this anti-consumer talk, most of us live in a wonderful capitalistic society where we can choose what to buy. Just because it's not floating your boat doesn't mean it's anti-consumer. It's a BS term, because if you're anti-consumer you won't have customers.
Every company takes advantage of their customers, that's the whole point of consumerism. If you don't like, go live in the woods. If Nintendo thinks MKW is worth $80 that's on them to prove it. Splatoon 2/3 cost $60 and has zero microtransactions, and a shit ton of replay-ability unlike any shooter out there, it's the most "pro-consumer" shooter ever. EVER. with the amount of content it's getting updated with.
Costs have risen across the board, if you don't like it find another hobby.
And before you say anything, of course I'd love for Nintendo to be giving my games for free and giving me anal sex a few times a week. But life doesn't work like that.
blacktout
Member
Be as offended as you want to be for "consumers" in the abstract, but my actual experience as a customer is this:
I got the Mario Kart World bundle, so I'm paying $450 for the system (roughly what I expected) and $50 for MKW ($20 less than I expected). I'm already subscribed to the NSO Expansion Pack, and own both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, so I will be able to check out the enhanced versions of both of those games on launch day at no additional cost. I'm paying $0 dollars for Welcome Tour, because I have zero interest in it. I guess I might have played around with it for an hour or so if it was free, but its existence frankly would have no impact on my desire to buy the console, regardless of its price.
I'm not buying a new pro controller or any extra joy-cons, because the ones I already own for my Switch 1 are compatible and will be totally fine for when I want to play on the TV or have company over. In fact, I probably won't buy anything but the bundle itself between launch and when Donkey Kong releases in July, unless I decide to drop $15 on Fast Fusion.
Yes, I'm annoyed by the prospect that someday I will have to pay $80 for 3D Mario or the next mainline 3D Zelda, but right now I'm actually paying slightly less than I expected, and I'm not going to let my enjoyment in the present be spoiled by hypothetical futures where I pay more, especially when it looks like the entire industry is about to be hit by another wave of price hikes. I'm going to find joy where I can.
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Sinozen
Member
That's how they are going to get you on the hook for $80 games with that bundle. I was about to do the same. You see the hook though and it's $80 games. Seriously visualize yourself paying $80 for games. It isn't a hypothetical future. In rare cases you will, but it's going to be painful every time especially if you buy a lot of games. It's going to effect you more than people that buy a game here or there. That isn't just an annoyance either it could potentially impact the entire industry in a negative way. I would also expect the price for Nintendo Online to go up as well considering Nintendo is so comfortable with squeezing every last dollar they can out of their customers.
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Pop
Member
Nintendo fans are a lot like iphone enjoyers, they will buy any and all from their brand
Sinozen
Member
Nintendo goes around using their legal department to strong arm charity. They ban loyal customers for legally modding their consoles to enable basic functions they should already have. They don't have enough respect for their customers to be transparent about pricing and give horrible excuses for their blatant nickle and diming.
I completely understand that companies have a duty to make as much as they can, but some at least try to give you added value in exchange. Some companies actually care about their customers and it should be clear to people at this point that Nintendo does not. This is not the company we grew up on. Unfortunately Nintendo have these IPs we all hold dear. Its apart of our childhoods so they use that against us.
It's your money, I have zero issue if you want to spend your money on $80 games and be taken advantage of. I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford it, but thankfully I have enough games to preoccupy my time to avoid Nintendo schemes entirely. I would be contributing to pricing out some poor kid if I just simped for Nintendo. Yes of course inflation is a thing, but the price increase of $80 is beyond inflation. They aren't providing real value they're just taking advantage.
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Zacfoldor
Member
Nintendo is gonna dog walk the industry so just get ready to accept it.
We've needed a grown up running this industry for a while now and I'm glad Nintendo is finally doing it.
Every other company will benefit from what Nintendo is doing right now. Also, looks like consumers are fine with it.
So hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.
We've needed a grown up running this industry for a while now and I'm glad Nintendo is finally doing it.
Every other company will benefit from what Nintendo is doing right now. Also, looks like consumers are fine with it.
So hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I'm so sick of stupid hot takes like this. Just grow up. It's not gonna fail. You're mad. No one owes you anything. If you're that unhappy, don't buy it. No one needs to read, nor do you need to post every silly thought that floats into your head.
Better thread moderation is sorely lacking, especially every time we get a flood of new users when something major like a new platform gets announced.
It's just exhausting, honestly.
Better thread moderation is sorely lacking, especially every time we get a flood of new users when something major like a new platform gets announced.
It's just exhausting, honestly.
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apple_of_enlightenment
Member
Maybe, but I think they're smart enough to know that anti consumer will end up being anti business for them in both short term and longterm.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
They're making…8-10 million of them at least the first year. And you're worried you won't be able to get one? End of June by the latest, and that's if you don't pre-order. You just look around and get lucky.
Switch launched with only 2 million available *worldwide*.
It's slow season for console games. Once the launch furor wears off they'll ship so many you aren't likely to have a problem. For real.
The price point alone basically signals the Switch 2 is highly unlikely to match or exceed Switch sales, ever. Anything's possible but it would be highly unusual.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
This is so funny to me. Like the whole selling concept being made to us by Nintendo to justify the Switch 2 is literally better, faster games. Which is a philosophy/ concept we haven't seen them use since the GameCube.
It didn't work then, but then again the GameCube had extremely poor third-party support, and its marketing color was purple. And they did a bad job educating people on how much more powerful it was than PS2.
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Pop
Member
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I think Nintendo still feels nauseous after the Wii U debacle so they desperately want people to know that there is a difference and that it is a brand spanking new console. But yeah, they are surprisingly focused on frame rates and resolution with this release. But I think they'll soon go back to just focusing on the games and not graphics.This is so funny to me. Like the whole selling concept being made to us by Nintendo to justify the Switch 2 is literally better, faster games. Which is a philosophy/ concept we haven't seen them use since the GameCube.
It didn't work then, but then again the GameCube had extremely poor third-party support, and its marketing color was purple. And they did a bad job educating people on how much more powerful it was than PS2.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Yeah, they need a point a differentiation and certainly turning the joy con sideways to be a mouse is not gonna sell 100 million switch 2s. You know, especially with the people they put in charge of designing the console. There was no question it was just gonna be a significantly more powerful and fancier switch.
That might work and sell like 100 million. I just don't know that at the price point of the games and the hardware that they're gonna have any hope of matching switch sales under this structure.
Not to say that I don't find it compelling. I find it very compelling, and I plan on buying a switch 2, relatively quickly after launch, because I would love to experience breath of the wild again in a much more playable state.
I think donkey Kong looks very weak and not compelling and I also think that there aren't any other first party games that I find compelling outside of Mario kart, which is a bit unusual for them. normally when a new console gets announced, there's like this laundry list of franchises they're bringing over that they talk about a little bit. And maybe they're holding off on some of that for the June direct.
. It may well be.They're certainly putting a lot of their eggs in the basket of "double dipping on switch games for like a slightly modified experience playing the game again if you bought it before". Like for me I haven't played breath of the wild and several years and I never got around to forgotten world so I'm on board with that. But $80 for the switch 2 edition of Mario party just seems so ridiculous to me.
For Kirby, I'm just gonna buy another game voucher for the switch and use Kirby for one of those games and then just pay the $10 upgrade fee at some point when I get around to it
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Mobilemofo
Member
Redundant. .fuck off. If folk don't want to be a pc wanker, that's what consoles are for. Less bollocks, and more playtime rather than fuckin about with drivers, or your pcs not powerful enough, or your waiting for the shaders to load or some other shit
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Bananza looked amazing at first, but I'm not so sure I'm hyped about going around smashing things for +10 hours. If it had better platforming and adventure elements then maybe, but so far it feels more like a tech demo. Hopefully I'm wrong. MK looks amazing, but yeah, it's weird how barebones this release feels. I really hope we get to hear news about Zelda or Mario this summer.I think donkey Kong looks very weak and not compelling and I also think that there aren't any other first party games that I find compelling outside of Mario kart, which is a bit unusual for them. normally when a new console gets announced, there's like this laundry list of franchises they're bringing over that they talk about a little bit. And maybe they're holding off on some of that for the June direct.
They're certainly putting a lot of their eggs in the basket of "double dipping on switch games for like a slightly modified experience playing the game again if you bought it before". Like for me I haven't played breath of the wild and several years and I never got around to forgotten world so I'm on board with that. But $80 for the switch 2 edition of Mario party just seems so ridiculous to me.
For Kirby, I'm just gonna buy another game voucher for the switch and use Kirby for one of those games and then just pay the $10 upgrade fee at some point when I get around to it
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Esppiral
Member
You haven't been reading Nintendo switch 2 threads lately right? Is all about the untapped potential....
Oh an any gamer enjoys having fun playing games not only pikmins...
OuterLimits
Member
Or perhaps a ton of people simply enjoy Nintendo first party games and buy their hardware because of that.
What? It's using a translation layer but it runs Switch 1 games natively. Like PS4 to PS5.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
What are you honestly talking about? List the better/ cheaper alternatives to Nintendo Switch, and the content available on it that matches Nintendo first-party. You made the argument, let's see the examples.
Good god this place is absolutely mind-numbing sometimes.
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CuNi
Member
I hope Nintendo gets taught a lesson about being too greedy, but realistically, I cannot see that happen this gen financially.
The only way they could lose is by bad press, but I don't think any company cares about bad press when it has no monetary impact whatsoever.
I bought a Switch 2 already for my GF since she's very into Zelda and Pokémon and while she too criticizes the looks and performance of the newer games, at the end of the day she still enjoys them and likes the franchises and will continue to buy them.
The only way they could lose is by bad press, but I don't think any company cares about bad press when it has no monetary impact whatsoever.
I bought a Switch 2 already for my GF since she's very into Zelda and Pokémon and while she too criticizes the looks and performance of the newer games, at the end of the day she still enjoys them and likes the franchises and will continue to buy them.
bitbydeath
Member
Didn't that lead to a video game crash where they were then forced to lower prices?
delirium trigger
Member
Their games are in the same boat as ppv prices for ufc and boxing events for me. I'd spend a lot more of my money on them if they were priced lower and I could get more of them.
No?
Codes 208
Member
Its still playing them though, right?
Thats like saying it doesnt count that the xb1 and xbs are BC with the 360 because its emulated.
existensmaximum
Member
I don't know why people believe it's like a human right or something to play every game for free. There are plenty of cheap games if you can't afford Nintendo games.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
The problem is Nintendo has no competition really. Bad press has an effect when the consumer has somewhere to flee to. Where is the Pokemon enthusiast gonna go? Digimon? Palworld?
The competition is not strong enough. I said in another thread that I knew Nintendo was in trouble, the question is who wins.. it just goes back to Nintendo again. It's like a snake biting its own tail.
Remember when the Wii was sold out for years? That was not a problem because there wasn't another product like it. Shortages are a bad thing because it pushes consumers into the closest competitor. There was no such thing. It's the same situation..
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LordOcidax
Member
This thread is going to age like milk. You did it OP, this is going to be legendary.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Huh? What modern platform has full built-in native backward compatibility?
PS5 doesn't. Xbox Series doesn't. PS4 certainly didn't. And so on. The games work but they need a bit of work to run. Sorry but none of us want to pay even more for these new platforms because the manufacturer has to also include hardware from the previous console for out-of-the-box native BC.
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Puscifer
Member
Nintendo won't do shit compared to these tariffs my guy.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Dude I just ran the numbers for a work project, and our cost per unit went from $9 to $35, making it completely untenable. If these tariffs don't get changed soon a lot of things are gonna be insanely expensive.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
They've always been about profit. They're the FERENGI of the video game industry.*
*It's also what's kept them thriving.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Exactly .. and they will pay unfortunately. I've been afraid of this situation for years ...the publishers who know they have great games just bucking any pricing standards and charging more
powder
Member
Something about the whole rollout for this console seems half-baked to me. If the games we saw thus far are the launch titles I think they're pretty disappointing.
In regard to hoping it fails, it will be interesting to watch. If the US is staring down a recession this year then I think sales might be a little underwhelming – unless the consumer mindset goes into overdrive and broke people just slam all purchases on credit cards and afterpay/klarna. Either way, who really cares what happens? Nintendo is clearly taking the piss, and everyone seems to continue to keep wanting to drink it.
In regard to hoping it fails, it will be interesting to watch. If the US is staring down a recession this year then I think sales might be a little underwhelming – unless the consumer mindset goes into overdrive and broke people just slam all purchases on credit cards and afterpay/klarna. Either way, who really cares what happens? Nintendo is clearly taking the piss, and everyone seems to continue to keep wanting to drink it.
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