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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. Ivy, SSDs, and reading the OP. [Part 2]
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OCing a 2500k should be super easy. Go into your bios, look at the shit for the cpu, increase the multiplier to 4.1/4.2 and you're done. If you want to go higher increase the voltage by like what, .05v at a time?
Someone will have to correct me on that, my mobo does .025v steps.
Someone will have to correct me on that, my mobo does .025v steps.
You probably mean .0025v, right? Going from 1.45 to 1.475 is a big jump, for example.
My CM cherry red arrives today. Maybe my memory too, but I'm doubtful. Hopefully the kb isn't too loud... for my wife's sake.
Times like those are when 1 day waits can be a killer!
Bummer.
Times like those are when 1 day waits can be a killer!http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-Hy...?pt=US_Solid_State_Drives&hash=item2a23145011
how does that look to you gaf?
might risk importing an SSD due to the small form factor. Could very well pass customs and whatnot without having to pay fees. That price is kinda low enough to risk it and storage space should at least sustain an OS drive..
how does that look to you gaf?
might risk importing an SSD due to the small form factor. Could very well pass customs and whatnot without having to pay fees. That price is kinda low enough to risk it and storage space should at least sustain an OS drive..
First off.
Thank you, Hazaro for this great PC build guide. I built my rig following suggestions from 2012 [Part 1]. Googling and studying about the new CPUs, GPUs, and how far PC tech has come.
***My first PC (that I built w/help from my brother) was an Asus A7v-333, Athlon XP 1600+, & an ATi Radeon 128MB LE.***
Thank you to everyone here that gave suggestions, showed off personal builds, and helped others (& me) find our direction.
Now to my issue that I've run into.
CRYSIS: I recently installed it, and everytime I try to run it, it freezes during opening scene that says "SEVERAL DAYS LATER".
GTA IV: (Steam v.1.0.7.0) Stops and crashes either during intro where you here whats his name plowing (getting plowed by) some chick. I started skiping that scene, and same thing happens when the conversation gets to "Fucking terrorists!".
ASUS P8Z77-V LK
i5 3570K 3.4Ghz (not sure how to OC yet)
eVGA GTX 670 FTW 2GB
Corsair Vengeance 8Gb (4GBx2)
Samsung 830 64GB
WD Black 2TB
Corsair Pro Series HX650 650W
Thank you, Hazaro for this great PC build guide. I built my rig following suggestions from 2012 [Part 1]. Googling and studying about the new CPUs, GPUs, and how far PC tech has come.
***My first PC (that I built w/help from my brother) was an Asus A7v-333, Athlon XP 1600+, & an ATi Radeon 128MB LE.***
Thank you to everyone here that gave suggestions, showed off personal builds, and helped others (& me) find our direction.
Now to my issue that I've run into.
CRYSIS: I recently installed it, and everytime I try to run it, it freezes during opening scene that says "SEVERAL DAYS LATER".
GTA IV: (Steam v.1.0.7.0) Stops and crashes either during intro where you here whats his name plowing (getting plowed by) some chick. I started skiping that scene, and same thing happens when the conversation gets to "Fucking terrorists!".
ASUS P8Z77-V LK
i5 3570K 3.4Ghz (not sure how to OC yet)
eVGA GTX 670 FTW 2GB
Corsair Vengeance 8Gb (4GBx2)
Samsung 830 64GB
WD Black 2TB
Corsair Pro Series HX650 650W
I think you can get other SSDs for that price from Newegg with free shipping.
http://www.Newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-167-121.
You can also get that same SSD from Newegg or other Kingston SSDs too, I believe.
It'll go up even higher with higher clocks. UE3 is one of the most CPU-bound engines out there.
why are some games CPU limited like that? Are they using the CPU for vertex transformations or something? Don't modern GPUs have the capability to do that faster?
New Egg running a deal for 12% off on the 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 1866 RAM
Knocks the price down to about $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233305
Promo code only good until the end of today EMCJNJJ22
Knocks the price down to about $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233305
Promo code only good until the end of today EMCJNJJ22
OK, did some OC tests tonight. As mentioned earlier, I have an i7-920 + CM Hyper 212 Plus w/ 2 fans on it inside a HAF 932 case.
I bumped up to 4GHz, and under load, looks like my temps are a little on the high side (68-74). I've read that anything below 80 is "OK", but it still seems high to me. Not like I game 24-7, though, so I might be good. It's funny noting that with the stock Intel cooler, even at 3.2GHz, I was over 80 within a couple minutes of starting the test.
That being said, for OC'ing this up to 4GHz, are there other coolers you guys would recommend? I tend to be a better safe than sorry kind of guy, so I may drop things back to 3.6GHz. Thanks again.
I bumped up to 4GHz, and under load, looks like my temps are a little on the high side (68-74). I've read that anything below 80 is "OK", but it still seems high to me. Not like I game 24-7, though, so I might be good. It's funny noting that with the stock Intel cooler, even at 3.2GHz, I was over 80 within a couple minutes of starting the test.
That being said, for OC'ing this up to 4GHz, are there other coolers you guys would recommend? I tend to be a better safe than sorry kind of guy, so I may drop things back to 3.6GHz. Thanks again.
So, with my new rig coming soon... what games should I get to test it?
I am thinking Darksiders 2, Dishonored... and don't know what else. Come GAF, I wanna test my future PC's power!!
Neither of those will really tax any modern system. I've got a Planetside 2 beta key you could have, would certainly put that hardware to work.
Actually the Nehalem CPUs can run up to 100C, not that you would want to but 80C is definitely fine. What are your BLCK, multiplier and vcore settings and anything else you set in bios. My 930 and my friends 920 don't like 4.0Ghz, very unstable for some reason. Also 22x multiplier and 20x don't work well for me. Try getting it just above or below 4.0 and put vcore at 1.35 then keep lowering it till its as low as possible. I run mine at 20x 199Mhz BLCK at 1.3125V with droop enabled. I've gotten it up to 4.322 at 1.375v before, just have to keep pushing.
ss_lemonade
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Those won't even come close to taxing your rig. You could try witcher 2 I guess, or the Crysis gamesSo, with my new rig coming soon... what games should I get to test it?
I am thinking Darksiders 2, Dishonored... and don't know what else. Come GAF, I wanna test my future PC's power!!
Corsair Pro Series HX650w.
One other thing. Crysis first boot (res. still @ 1024x768) I got a blue screen after letting the product logos run.
Holy hell I'd love one haha.
So I now have an overpowered build... damn
. Well, Ill enjoy my games haha. Any comfy couch alternatives for K+M only games? I mean, I'd play things like Darksiders 2 with the 360 controller, but for other games... how would I work and enjoy the "couch"? I already have a wireless Logitech set.BCLK 190, Multiplier 21, Vcore 1.25... I used Clunk's guide as a base. Been running for several hours now with stress tests and such, and 75 seems to be the max temp on core 0 with the others steadily lower to about 68 under load.
Ran 3DMark 11 again as well, and got some better results:
SCORE: P9092 3DMarks
GRAPHICS SCORE: 9540
PHYSICS SCORE: 8393
COMBINED SCORE: 7410
http://i.imgur.com/Jqh1E.jpg
Looking at your settings above, it looks like I have more room to play with with the GTX 670, but one step at a time. Hoping for good stability at 4GHz through the weekend. We'll see how it goes.
I need international shipping. Otherwise I would obviously go to other places before ebay, figured "importing" would give it away
is this kingston bad tho?
You can get the same drive from Amazon for $60, saw it on slickdeals.
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Just saw this. I don't know about Amazon international shipping, but could give it a try.I need international shipping. Otherwise I would obviously go to other places before ebay, figured "importing" would give it away
is this kingston bad tho?
yn-neko hates a cat
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So I have my system mostly complete and I'd like to thank everyone here who helped me out with tips and answered general questions.
but... OH MAN!
The hard cold truth about what's required to get a perfect 7.9 Windows Experience Index is a tough one to swollow. So my build netted me easily 7.9 accross the board EXCEPT for the CPU at 7.8 which is a Core i7 SandyE 3930K @ 3.2 GHz stock. I foolishly thought to myself "I'll just overclock it!" It was easy enough to get it to 4 GHz on Noctua NH-D14 with plenty of breathing room. I re-ran the test and it was still at 7.8. I new I was never going to run the system past 4 and I wasn't even planning on running it past 3.2 but to just see a perfect 7.9, I thought it would be nice to read up a little on what was requried.
A single processor motherboard running my class of CPU (6-core) would require a 5.6 GHz clock. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THAT! 7.8 is a much nicer number anyways
but... OH MAN!
The hard cold truth about what's required to get a perfect 7.9 Windows Experience Index is a tough one to swollow. So my build netted me easily 7.9 accross the board EXCEPT for the CPU at 7.8 which is a Core i7 SandyE 3930K @ 3.2 GHz stock. I foolishly thought to myself "I'll just overclock it!" It was easy enough to get it to 4 GHz on Noctua NH-D14 with plenty of breathing room. I re-ran the test and it was still at 7.8. I new I was never going to run the system past 4 and I wasn't even planning on running it past 3.2 but to just see a perfect 7.9, I thought it would be nice to read up a little on what was requried.
A single processor motherboard running my class of CPU (6-core) would require a 5.6 GHz clock. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THAT! 7.8 is a much nicer number anyways
;_;
slightly tangential post perhaps, but can anyone recommend a 22-24" 1080p monitor that has speakers and accepts audio over HDMI? Or am I looking at a small TV/monitor hybrid thing like the samsung T22 (had one, didn't really like it)
I need a monitor for my home office, just for basic work stuff really, but I'd like to stick my apple TV in the back of it for backup duty with media streaming
I need a monitor for my home office, just for basic work stuff really, but I'd like to stick my apple TV in the back of it for backup duty with media streaming
so.. the windows experience score targets scale up based on the hardware you have? So theoretically could someone score higher than you with a dual core setup?
Aren't the scores assigned to the stock parts? As far as I know overclocking won't change the values.
They're far from an important measure of performance anyway, your build is sounding good!
try uninstalling your drivers and then reinstalling them.
I'm currently building a new PC (my own steam/media-box) with a focus on a small and (relatively) silent one.
Right now, I'll probably buy this case, because it has its front cooler hidden and looks really good:
SilverStone Sugo SG06
Because of the case, I have to pay special attention at the length of the cards:
These two seem to fit and look alright for my price category (has to be Nvidia):
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 OC or ASUS GTX660-DC2O
I've read a bit about the ASUS one and it seems to be really quiet, but I can't find any information about the Gigabyte 660.
Rest of the stuff I have in mind:
G.Skill 2x4 GB
i5-2450P, 4x 3.20GHz (its not Ivy, but I can get a good used one for 70 EUR)
ASRock H67M-ITX/HT, H67 (B3)
Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB
That's more than enough to play everything on the market right now and possibly even UE4 games on 720p (wishful thinking). What about Dolphin? The CPU is to slow for that, right?
What do you think GAF? I know I could get faster stuff for my money with a bigger case, but thats not my goal. What graphics-card would you recommend? Any experience with the ones I have in mind?
Right now, I'll probably buy this case, because it has its front cooler hidden and looks really good:
SilverStone Sugo SG06
Because of the case, I have to pay special attention at the length of the cards:
These two seem to fit and look alright for my price category (has to be Nvidia):
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 OC or ASUS GTX660-DC2O
I've read a bit about the ASUS one and it seems to be really quiet, but I can't find any information about the Gigabyte 660.
Rest of the stuff I have in mind:
G.Skill 2x4 GB
i5-2450P, 4x 3.20GHz (its not Ivy, but I can get a good used one for 70 EUR)
ASRock H67M-ITX/HT, H67 (B3)
Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB
That's more than enough to play everything on the market right now and possibly even UE4 games on 720p (wishful thinking). What about Dolphin? The CPU is to slow for that, right?
What do you think GAF? I know I could get faster stuff for my money with a bigger case, but thats not my goal. What graphics-card would you recommend? Any experience with the ones I have in mind?
What're you doing with your old Noctua?
Just don't even look at the WEI. It has absolutely zero meaning whatsoever. Pretend it doesn't even exist, that's how useless it is. Wait, what was I talking about? I forgot, I must have been talking about about something so pointless that it's existence was erased from all of time-space.
I got my CM Quick Fire Pro w/ cherry reds yesterday, and man, what a difference. I'd been using an MS ergonomic for many years (the black one), which is one of the most comfortable typing keyboards ever, but for gaming, the squishy feel and split design wasn't optimal. The quick 'snap' of these keys - and their relatively quiet nature - makes this a great all-rounder.
I have the same CPU/ cooler and am wondering what your idle/basic use temps are. I haven't tried over locking my CPU yet so I don't know how much hotter it'll run for daily use stuff. Thanks.
Boxing it. I would offer it to you but one of the mounting screws broke when I installed it, tried to get a replacement but was never able to find the secufirm kit in stock anywhere. I used a screw that worked well enough but I wouldnt want to give it to someone broken, unless you have an AMD chip, the AMD mount is unused.
I'm not too proud to take something that's broken
Let me know, I'm interested, that's the exact one I was going to pick up for myself on my later build.
LQX
Member
For those looking for a cheap SSD, Amazon has a 120GB for $59.99
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007R67FNA/
So damn tempting but I have feeling BF will be so special this year.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007R67FNA/
So damn tempting but I have feeling BF will be so special this year.
Idle temps (and it's usually about 27C in our office... yes, a little warm) are about 44-47C.
yn-neko hates a cat
Banned
I know.
I think my issue is mainly an OCD thing. That lone 7.8 is like the biggest troll a computer has ever given me As far as I've hard, they only change with OS. but 7.9 has been the highest possible score as of Win7 SP1.
I never heard of that but I saw some boards dedicated to people posting ther screens and the rigs they used to get them and they were full of the same speculation when beast machines failed to hit the mark. It seemed only people with multi-processor setup or who were overclocked passed 5.6 GHz were getting 7.9. It is the internet and something designed to only stroke one's ego could push people to lie.
I'm thinking of updating my current HDD setup, I think I'm going to get a 128GB SSD and a 2TB WD.
For years I had C: for Windows, D: for Software, E: for personal data, F: for Downloads, G: for Games, and H: for temporal data, pagefile file and thinks like that, I want to simplify all of this.
I was thinking about the SSD for Windows and Software, and splitting the 2TB one in two partitions, one for data and the other for backup, or maybe getting an external HDD for backup...
How do you guys have everything set up?
For years I had C: for Windows, D: for Software, E: for personal data, F: for Downloads, G: for Games, and H: for temporal data, pagefile file and thinks like that, I want to simplify all of this.
I was thinking about the SSD for Windows and Software, and splitting the 2TB one in two partitions, one for data and the other for backup, or maybe getting an external HDD for backup...
How do you guys have everything set up?
Having a separate partition on the same hard drive for backup accomplishes next to nothing - not sure why you would be going that route.
Personally I use a SSD for OS and programs, a fast 1TB HDD (Samsung F3) for games, and an older 1.5TB HDD (Seagate 7200.11) for data. Media files and backup data is stored on my ZFS/RAID-Z fileserver with 8TB of space.
LQX
Member
SSD = OS and everything needing to be installed like choice games and other menial programs.
1 and 2TB HDD = Music, movies, pictures, files etc. Basically anything that does not directly need to be installed.
I think everything having to be installed should only be on the SSD. Will be moving to external storage soon if any Black Friday deals pop up and eliminate one or both of my internal HDDs. Also, I agree with gokieks on partitions. No more for me in the future. All they do is add time to transferring files from one place to another.
Yeah, after I posted that I realised is a bit stupid have a backup partition on the same physichal disk...
I was thinking about this SSD: http://www.amazon.es/dp/B004W2JKZI/
I know the M4 is a good choice, I hope 128GB is good enough for Win7 + soft. For the moment I will install Steam and all the games to a normal HDD: http://www.amazon.es/dp/B004VFJ9MK/
It's not very fast, but it's a great price, there is a 7200rpm a bit cheaper, but it's only 1TB and 32MB cache, I don't know if it's worth losing half of the space for a bit more speed.
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