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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. Ivy, SSDs, and reading the OP. [Part 2]

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Deleted member 22576

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Ouch i just bought two of those a few weeks ago.
Oh well.
 

Akkad

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Nice! Just ordered, and with some of the points on our Amazon card, got it for about $130 shipped. What a deal, even w/o the add'l discount.

I ordered one over the weekend when it was $10 more, I just live chatted with Amazon and they will refund me $10, love Amazon.
 

Fjord

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Fantastic guide, wish I had been able to google something like this a few months ago when picking out my computer. You should submit it to a place or two.
 

mkenyon

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I saw a few posts in reference to 'Star Citizen'. Title sounded like a crappy JRPG, so I never looked anything up.

Thank you for this. Privateer was one of the most impactful games on my young gaming life.
Fantastic guide, wish I had been able to google something like this a few months ago when picking out my computer. You should submit it to a place or two.
Google 'I need a new PC'. First result!
 
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I saw a few posts in reference to 'Star Citizen'. Title sounded like a crappy JRPG, so I never looked anything up.
I started getting real excited when he was showing off the physics systems and how the craft have real working thruster jets that can be damaged and stuff. Oh man, and supposedly it's gonna have oculus rift support. This is the game to end all games.
 
that samsung 830 256 price is really good and i will say now that anyone building a PC should have a SSD, no ifs ands or buts.

I'm in awe everytime i see that lock screen when starting win 8 appear in seconds
 

bro1

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I got my first part today! My Samsung 830 is here and I'm looking forward to getting my EVGA GTX660, Corsair 300R case, Corsair PSU (600), and Corsair Memory.

Still need help picking the Mobo! I'm torn on which Asus P8Z77 board to get. I'm not going to OC much and I don't need wifi. I really want stability more than features. Thoughts?
 

gokieks

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PSA for my frozen brothers/sisters to the north.

NCIX has the Fractal Node 304 and 605 in stock! $90 and $150 CAD respectively.

I was really interested in the Node 304 until I actually saw a non-glamour photo of it. Doesn't look nearly as attractive as the press shots make it out to be. In fact, it looks downright cheap:

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SoulClap

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I'm putting together a PC for my parents (browsing, email, PopCap Games). I have a Phenom II X4 955 from one of my old builds and I'm looking for a cheap mobo to pair up with it. I'm looking at a GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 or a ASRock 970 EXTREME3. I'm leaning towards the Gigabyte because it's cheaper. Are there better options out there is the Gigabyte a safe choice?
 
A second one for the space is worth it. The speed increase from RAID0 is not. It's not even noticeable.

really? I was planning on getting two 512 gigs to RAID them, not so much for the speed but the space.

Being married I have to pick my battles, as much as I'd love that :p

tell her you willw ear the pants, JUST THIS ONCE!

I'm really glad my wife has horses. Makes those battles a lot easier.

can you over clock them?
 

Manp

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So I had another attempt at tidying up my cables when I put my Xonar DGX in. After being depressed by how clean another build turned out in the R4 with a non-modular PSU for someone else I had to try...

Before:
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After:
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Still nowhere near the madness some of you guys have produced, but it's about as good as I can get it I think!

use some cable ties, you can do much better than that!

:)
 

bro1

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I'm really glad my wife has horses. Makes those battles a lot easier.

Yeah, my wife used to ride and the bills were crazy! Even years later, I can pull that old chestnut out. I just mention one vet or blacksmith bill and the fight is over.
 

beje

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Just received my Sapphire 7850 with dual fan and it's awesome in comparison to my old GTS250. I just put it through Furmark and it barely reaches 66ºC with fans at half speed, which was the iddle temp of my old card. Noise has reduced to barely nothing even on load.

brb, installing 3DMark11

Edit: aaaaand... P4356 3DMarks (5188 graphics, 2928 physics, 2963 combined). Will update with results as soon as I receive the new stuff.
 

ghibli99

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But is at as stable as the higher end boards? My number one goal is stability. If I don OC, it's going to be minor
Others will likely be able to chime in on this, but I think you'll be OK, especially if you're not planning on OCing much. My old Asus P6T has been rock-solid with my i7-920 @ 4GHz and 1333 RAM. Not a single issue since bumping it up last week.

Yeees its here (goddamn you UPS for taking longer with my case)...
(dog not included)
Nice! I have the same video card... you're going to love it. :)
 

DTKT

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newegg.ca shipped my 670 and my RAM from California when I'm in Quebec. It's now the seventh day where the tracking hasn't updated.

God dammit. :|
 

beje

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Wow, Vantage scores went from 7000 to 19000 on graphics, talk about an upgrade, lol. But the CPU is holding things back and the full score averages to 13000, which is still almost double as before.
 

causan

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Sorry if this is the wrong thread to post this in, I could not find a network specific thread. I am helping set up a LAN/gaming center and the network for the location is already prewired with drop cables. All we need is the network backbone equipment. The former owners left a server rack and a 24 port patch panel. We had someone come in to do a estimate and this is what he recommended:

1000' Black Solid CAT6 - $150
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049KWVCM/?tag=neogaf0e-20

50 CAT6 Heads - $35
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FI9VU2/?tag=neogaf0e-20

2x 24 Port Patch Panels - 80
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000AZK72/?tag=neogaf0e-20

ASA5505 Firewall Appliance - $450
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000JVVY0K/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Cisco 1841 - $300
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00064AW7G/?tag=neogaf0e-20

APC SMARTUPS - $1200
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004F0BD2K/?tag=neogaf0e-20

3x Procurve 1800-24G switches - $495
provided

1x HP Proliant dl380 G4 with Xencenter and a few VMs (MS Server AD Domain, DHCP, DNS, File/print?) - $800
provided

2x 3TB external Drives for file/non-VM storage - $300
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0042Z55RM/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Labor - $1000

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total = 4810 give or take based on availability/price of amazon items

Total implementation time when parts are delivered: 8-10 hours, most likely get done on a Saturday.

The gaming center will have about 50-60 host. Does this list look okay? The pricing on the HP Proliant dl380 G4 does look a little high to me but everything else looks alright. I just wanted to get some more opinions.
 

mkenyon

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I was really interested in the Node 304 until I actually saw a non-glamour photo of it. Doesn't look nearly as attractive as the press shots make it out to be. In fact, it looks downright cheap:
It's because those are bad pictures with fingerprint smudges all over the front aluminum. Lazy lazy.
 

gokieks

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It's because those are bad pictures with fingerprint smudges all over the front aluminum. Lazy lazy.

Even aside from that, there's a huge difference between how the front fascia and the rest of the case looks, something that the official press photos don't show. And that's something that I dislike tremendously on my cases.
 

beje

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Now I can get stable 60 fps (save it for infrecuent drops to 50) in XCOM @ 1080p with all settings on high, even ambient occlusion. And playable fps (somewhere in the 40-50s) in Metro 2033 in Medium settings. Yes, this graphics card is going to last for YEARS hahahaha.
 

mkenyon

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Even aside from that, there's a huge difference between how the front fascia and the rest of the case looks, something that the official press photos don't show. And that's something that I dislike tremendously on my cases.
The 'official' photos are renders :p
Now I can get stable 60 fps (save it for infrecuent drops to 50) in XCOM @ 1080p with all settings on high, even ambient occlusion. And playable fps (somewhere in the 40-50s) in Metro 2033 in Medium settings. Yes, this graphics card is going to last for YEARS hahahaha.
If you can OC your CPU a bit, the frames will skyrocket. UE3 is insanely CPU bottlenecked.
 
1000' Black Solid CAT6 - $150
http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-...0ft+cat6+black

50 CAT6 Heads - $35
http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Tools...ref=pd_cp_pc_0

2x 24 Port Patch Panels - 80
http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-24-po...ds=patch+panel

ASA5505 Firewall Appliance - $450
http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-ASA5505-...ywords=asa5505

Cisco 1841 - $300
http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-CISCO184...rds=cisco+1841

APC SMARTUPS - $1200
http://www.amazon.com/APC-Smart-UPS-...=smartups+3000

3x Procurve 1800-24G switches - $495
provided

1x HP Proliant dl380 G4 with Xencenter and a few VMs (MS Server AD Domain, DHCP, DNS, File/print?) - $800
provided

2x 3TB external Drives for file/non-VM storage - $300
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digita...nal+hard+drive

Labor - $1000

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total = 4810 give or take based on availability/price of amazon items

What kind of company is this? I would be weary of any Professional Services Provider that buys everything off of amazon. However, if they are doing a full config of the ASA and Router + installation of everything the labor price is about on.

Router choice is alright but it wont take advantage of CAT-6; In my opinion I would just use Cat-5E for this setup. its much easier and cheaper (you wont be pushing the limits of the cable for another 40 years). Another thing on the router is make sure you have a support contract with cisco so that you can keep up to date with software updates

There is no mention of software on here at all, are they providing? do you have licenses already?

I dont see any mention of wireless access (my recommendation on this would be 2 Aruba IAP-135s or ubiquiti Uni-Fi) also, what type of circuit you have (im assuming there will be internet access?)

If you have any questions feel free to PM me
 

gokieks

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The 'official' photos are renders :p

Oh, I thought they were heavily photoshopped images. Either way, the point is that the real thing doesn't look remotely as attractive as those images, and I was greatly disappointed. I had intended to possibly use that in building a mini-ITX Hackintosh, but after seeing the real thing I went back to planning a FT-03 Mini build.

And then maybe building a FT-03 mATX gaming machine to go with it...
 

mkenyon

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FT03 is a gorgeous case. I was really close to pulling the trigger on one for an HTPC rebuild. I like the lower profile of the Fractal a bit more though.
 

beje

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What's a good test(s) to run to test having replaced the mobo/cpu/ram?

I'd like to do a before and after test of my system.

Even though I don't really like synthetic benchmarks, 3DMark 11 is a good start to have an overview on the general improvement.
 

mkenyon

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Sorry if this is the wrong thread to post this in, I could not find a network specific thread. I am helping set up a LAN/gaming center and the network for the location is already prewired with drop cables. All we need is the network backbone equipment. The former owners left a server rack and a 24 port patch panel. We had someone come in to do a estimate and this is what he recommended:

The gaming center will have about 50-60 host. Does this list look okay? The pricing on the HP Proliant dl380 G4 does look a little high to me but everything else looks alright. I just wanted to get some more opinions.
Copy/pasted from gchat.

1. cisco asa or cisco 1841, why 2 routers? Internal subnets for gaming ccomputers apart from infrastructure?

2. without any knowledge of infrastructure, plans, deployment footprint or needs, this doesn't look terrible.

3. if pricing on a particular single element costs more than you can get elsewhere, ask yourself how much you like the installer/tech. if a customer bought all equipment and expected me to install equipment I'm not more intimately familiar with, or could not personally guarantee, I would make them acknowledge their hardware choices in writing and then I would potentially charge more for service.

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1. sophos x 2 for WAN firewall with high availability (700$ in hardware)
2. 3 x HP 1810, or iPecs 2000 series 24 port switches
3. switch panels, yes ofc
4. CAT6 jacks + cable (do you not have low voltage technicians doing this for you? they can usually get a better price on cable/jacks than you can, and their labor is probably going to be well worth the price)
5. DL380 with some virtualized network management is great (AD, DNS - if not handled by sophos, file/print) - could easily put these services on a smaller computer, and pare down the server load by putting DNS/DHCP on the sophos listed above

*edit 2*
Also, this sounds like a foreign language to me. I hope it's clear enough. Except for Sophos, which is really awesome.
 

beje

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Ok, kind of stupid question: how much time should I leave Prime 95 doing its job to see if an OC is stable? It's been OK for 30 minutes so far, and CPU temps are not going beyond 65ºC
 

knitoe

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Ok, kind of stupid question: how much time should I leave Prime 95 doing its job to see if an OC is stable? It's been OK for 30 minutes so far, and CPU temps are not going beyond 65ºC

3-4 hours would be stable in most cases. 24 hours to be sure it's 100% stable.
 
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