Anton668
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for the most part, compressed air.
now if you havent looked inside for years, we may have to go deeper....
metalshade
Member
Hey guys, looking to see what you guys can recommend.
Currently running a 2500k at stock on stock cooler, and a stock 6870 in a crappy case.
I could buy a 7970, or for the same amount of cash, a 7950, a h60 cooler, and a Haf case, and then learn how to oc my proc.
What would you guys think, is there something I have overlooked?
Also, sidenote. NEVER EVER buy turtle beach headphones. Mine have a constant hiss that I cant stop.
Currently running a 2500k at stock on stock cooler, and a stock 6870 in a crappy case.
I could buy a 7970, or for the same amount of cash, a 7950, a h60 cooler, and a Haf case, and then learn how to oc my proc.
What would you guys think, is there something I have overlooked?
Also, sidenote. NEVER EVER buy turtle beach headphones. Mine have a constant hiss that I cant stop.
GHG
Member
Go with the second option. The 7950 can overclock to 7970 levels of performance and going that route with all the other parts will serve you better in the long run.
for those that didnt see it in the cheap Euro's thread
my return to full PC gaming is nearly complete.
my return to full PC gaming is nearly complete.
yeah you had been stressing that PSU quite a bit tbh.
what is your budget for a new one?
even if they did ship it the controller wouldn't be that much cheaper, roughly $26 before its posted. Check eBay for them, might snag a good one there.
HolyBaikal
Banned
Just going to throw this question out there again. Since I want a second opinion.
I want to record PlayStation 3 game footage on an internal PC capture card. Preferably if the games show up on my PC desktop via a window with adequately low and playable latency.
Is this possible? I really, really want to record footage of me playing games like Tales of Graces f. Also, what would be the best card to get? I see a Hauppauge Colossus, but I don't know if that's the best or what I want. I would be willing to pay as much as $500 for a good capture card.
I want to record PlayStation 3 game footage on an internal PC capture card. Preferably if the games show up on my PC desktop via a window with adequately low and playable latency.
Is this possible? I really, really want to record footage of me playing games like Tales of Graces f. Also, what would be the best card to get? I see a Hauppauge Colossus, but I don't know if that's the best or what I want. I would be willing to pay as much as $500 for a good capture card.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That is possible with a dedicated capture card. I don't think you need to spend anything near 500 to do a good capture though. Roxio makes some and there are a few others that should come up in a search on Amazon under "pc capture card" or "video capture card".
Unknown Soldier
Member
I play PC games on my 52" HDTV. I use a comfy couch.
But there aren't any 120Hz TVs......anyone else mad enough to use a HDTV as a monitor ? 43in 1080p LG, screen looks fantastic with HDMI. Had to lower the sharpness and other bits but looks as good as any LCD ive owned before just hugely bigger LOL.
Avermedia HD. Best out there.
HolyBaikal
Banned
That's, I'm glad I asked for a second opinion. Someone a few days ago responded to that question with "PlayStation 3 is incompatible with capture cards".
Now I just need to know which one to get. I want the best latency possible. Basically one as close to as good as just playing on the TV as possible. Since I'm a bit of a PC gamer, and console emulators for systems like the PlayStation 3, XBOX 360, and Nintendo Wii U don't exist, I'd probably just leave my HDMI cable in the capture card all of the time and use that to play my PlayStation 3 games if I could.
That means, of course, again, the lower the latency the better. So that I can just relax and play PlayStation 3 games on my PC. I do want to know the highest quality model possible. Money isn't much of an issue because I will pay for quality.
Edit:
Sold me on it.
Any particular model?
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On the subject of TVs, my current setup uses two tables and a 40 inch Samsung LED. I am considering buying two more and triple monitoring them as an upgrade. I edited my post because I seriously rambled on about that and I'm sure most people don't really care. I like my setup, though. It's very optimal for computing from my bedroom bed. I also like a bigger image, even if 1080p looks kind of pixelated stretched to 40 inches. I would much prefer 3x 40 inch 1080p screens than 6x 22 inch 1080p screens in my main gaming PC.
In fact, I'm hoping to replace my two 22 inch monitors I have in my home theatre PC while my gaming PC is hooked up to the 40 inch TV, with two two extra 40 inch screens and just plug every single device I own into a single 3x40" triple monitor setup. The only thing I'm worried about is if through capture cards I'll have too much latency or whether I'll need to use RCA and HDMI switcher devices. I'll take pictures if I ever accomplish it.
GHG
Member
Ditto, only on a 42 inch TV. Feels good man.
HolyBaikal
Banned
You need a bigger table. That poor hardware looks like it is about to fall off.
My setup is two large wooden dining tables in the room I sleep in across from my bed. One table is enough to hold 4x 22 inch screens. But I just use it for my Samsung. In fact with the two tables side by side like they are I can hold 4x 40 inch screens on them if I wanted to, though I'm going to stop at 3.
That right there, though. That is a tiny table you've got that on. I would never do that. I use a large eating table just for one of those and put the case under it. And will be using two of them side by side for 3.
For around the same price you can get an HD 7970. Which has much lower power consumption comparatively and is also a more powerful card. Which is the card I would much prefer personally.
But I'm not trying to rain on someone's great card. Just that the AMD GPUs are still what I would recommend right now.
Heck, everyone is hyping the GeForce Titan, but I think I'd much rather have an HD 7990 than that.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Any reason the Hazro 30 inch wie / f is not on the list? Its got no frills on the setting but by god the speed! Input Lag is at a super low 4 ms!!
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz30wie.htm
Casing and stand are all metal! It has a crazy industrial look, but I like that
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If your into fighters that screen is godlike for pcs!
Price vs quality is hard to beat!
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz30wie.htm
Casing and stand are all metal! It has a crazy industrial look, but I like that
!If your into fighters that screen is godlike for pcs!
Price vs quality is hard to beat!
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Seriously depends on your cash flow! I would wait at least 6 months after the new consoles get released. New architecture is looming and gtx 700's are coming soon! I just bought a bit more ram (12 gigs) and a second gtx 580 to hold me off until then.
But all you man...
Cannon Goose
Member
Can anyone tell me if the Sensei Raw mouse has a smooth or a notched scroll wheel? I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.
Edit: I don't mean the texture of the wheel itself, I'm referring to the act of scrolling it. Does it spin freely or is there some resistance?
Edit: I don't mean the texture of the wheel itself, I'm referring to the act of scrolling it. Does it spin freely or is there some resistance?
Notched.
something fishy
Member
The 670 looks a beast. I think I will get one and stick pc only for the start of this gen.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Well, I'm currently on a 3 year old Dell sporting a GTS 240.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Hmm, yeah understand your pain man then!
Hehe. Yeah. You can see why I'd rather not wait almost a year for the new tech to come out
Also, if I'm planning to go 120hz, I want the 7970 over the 670, right? I've read about the Nvidia 3D stuff as well as the Lightboost thing which seems to be exclusive to Nvidia, but I don't really know how important that is.
Hawk269
Member
Going to cross post this here and in the Titan thread.
I a bit conflicted on what to do so looking for opinions....
Windows 7 or Windows 8?
I only do gaming on my rig and that is about it. I have 2 Geforce Titan GPU's that I am about to add to the rig, already have Win8 running, but for gaming and gaming alone, would Win7 or Win8 be better?
I know that I will be getting the New Xbox when it comes out and I do like how Win8 integrates with the current Xbox so that is a plus, but overall, for just gaming would Win7 still be the better option? When I upgraded to Win8 it was such a pain in the ass and took forever due to issues. If Win8 becomes more prominent in the near future, I don't want to go through the hassle of doing that again, but at the same time, I do want the best experience and rock solid compatibility with my Titan's and the operating system.
So what is everyone's opinion on this?
Thanks!
I a bit conflicted on what to do so looking for opinions....
Windows 7 or Windows 8?
I only do gaming on my rig and that is about it. I have 2 Geforce Titan GPU's that I am about to add to the rig, already have Win8 running, but for gaming and gaming alone, would Win7 or Win8 be better?
I know that I will be getting the New Xbox when it comes out and I do like how Win8 integrates with the current Xbox so that is a plus, but overall, for just gaming would Win7 still be the better option? When I upgraded to Win8 it was such a pain in the ass and took forever due to issues. If Win8 becomes more prominent in the near future, I don't want to go through the hassle of doing that again, but at the same time, I do want the best experience and rock solid compatibility with my Titan's and the operating system.
So what is everyone's opinion on this?
Thanks!
Koroviev
Member
Given the current state of Crossfire, I wouldn't consider a 7990 at this point.
anyone else mad enough to use a HDTV as a monitor ? 43in 1080p LG, screen looks fantastic with HDMI. Had to lower the sharpness and other bits but looks as good as any LCD ive owned before just hugely bigger LOL.
My secondary monitor is an HD TV, but I'd like to replace it with another 120Hz panel with a glossy finish. Really not a fan of matte, which the HDTV appears to use.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Hehe. Yeah. You can see why I'd rather not wait almost a year for the new tech to come out
Also, if I'm planning to go 120hz, I want the 7970 over the 670, right? I've read about the Nvidia 3D stuff as well as the Lightboost thing which seems to be exclusive to Nvidia, but I don't really know how important that is.
Yeah 7970 for sure, very nice card!
check these benches!
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/508?vs=598
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
There is a lot of hate against window 8... adoption is not good at all! So the likes of MS pulling a DX only version and many games supporting is unlikely. I am guessing its going to go from win 7 to win 9 and we will all forget win 8 ever existed!
Edit: 2 Titans in sli... nice! I was looking into a single Titan but price wise I could not convince myself looking at those benches compared to sli solutions. However if you got the money and can afford two Titans in sli go for it! I'll probably wait for the 700 s to come out... Titan has too much of a workstation card price attached to it in my opinion.
Dave_6
Member
Sounds good! Remind me again what the rest of your setup is? I'm using the same GPU and will have mine hooked up to my plasma TV.
Koroviev
Member
My only regret is not getting a 7970, but that wasn't an option at the time. I don't feel that I need more than one card since I'm only running on one monitor, but I will always lust after more powerful cards.
So worth it. Membrane keyboards suck and that quickfire will show you why. I may end up getting a second mech for work.
Probably the second option. You need to give your fancy components a nice home.
Infinite Justice
Member
Koroviev
Member
but i didn't ask for this
No one does.
Currently:
Q6600 @ 2.4
Zalman 9700 Green
4 gig Kingston DDR2 800
MSI P35 Neo
Evga 670 SC 4gig
7200 rpm hard drive for os and games
In a Lian Li Pc-62
Output to 22" 1680x1050 and 40" 1080p monitors.
Soon:
2550K
CM 212 with 120mm Noctuas
8gig of Samsung Ram
670
128gig Samsung 830
60gig ocz vector 3
Mobo and case tba - probably a Bitfenix Prodigy Orange with Asus P8Z77-I
Koroviev
Member
I would upgrade now. 560ti isn't bad, but AMD is making the high end quite affordable atm.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Check this out :
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/555?vs=543
If you were on a 580 I would say no. 680 is a marginal upgrade, but a 560... yeah that bad boy is overdue!
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Im in the same boat, I'm currently selling my 560 ti in order to get a 7970 next week.
Never liked TV pc gaming, I hate seeing each individual pixel sitting at a desk.
120 Hz you know you wanna
You are worse than mkenyon
Lol. Just noticed the not soon enough. Have everything but mobo and case and the Prodigy isn't available here for another month or two (and I'm too cheap to pay shipping)
EatinOlives
Member
I want to upgrade my graphics card but I'm not sure about a few things:
My specs (with newegg links!):
GTX 460 1GB GDDR5
500W Power Supply
i5 &50 clocked at 2.67 GHz
4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3
mATX Vulcan case
The reason why I'm including the case as part of my "specs" is that it's a micro ATX tower, meaning less space to deal with. I can't do fancy cooling solutions for my CPU or an extra-long graphics card, for instance.
Now onto the questions:
1) My CPU is an i5 750 that I can overclock to 3.0 GHz. Should I be upgrading that before the graphics card or am I good with that for a while yet? I don't think I've run into many games that are bottlenecking me because of CPU, but I can't be too sure.
2) I've been eye-ing the GTX 660 Ti for quite a while, but I'm kind of concerned about price ($350 IIRC). Though I've heard that AMD is really quite affordable, I'm wary about getting AMD since for the past several years there are driver problems on the AMD side and I've heard more than a few people on GAF express quite a bit of regret at going AMD. What's the general consensus here? nVidia has been nothing but good to me the entire time I've had my 460, but I have no firsthand experience with AMD. If you really think I should go AMD, which card should I be looking at? (EDIT: I'm not locked down to 660Ti, if you suggest another nVidia card like a 670, which I've read on here can actually be cheaper than $350, please do so)
3) Is a 460-to-660Ti a worthwhile upgrade? I'm increasingly having to lower the settings on newer releases because I don't get a smooth 60 FPS at 1080p with 4xAA and maxed out (or close to maxed out) graphics anymore. Would a 660Ti get me back on that level for most new releases? (Of course, there'll be the exception like Crysis 3, I don't expect flawless performance out of powerhouse games).
4) Is upgrading even worthwhile now? I wouldn't get a new graphics card for several years, and I'm kind of concerned that the new consoles would easily surpass most any GPU in today's PC market (8GB GDDR5 and all that jazz). Is that a legit concern or just FUD?
5) If I were to upgrade to a 660Ti or an AMD equivalent, would it fit in a mATX case? Would it be fine with my power supply? I want to avoid a situation where I get the card but can't actually use it because I have to change something else in my rig.
6) "Optional" question (this sounds like a quiz now): What can I do with my old 460 if I did upgrade? This is my first time I'd be swapping out GPUs, whereas before I'd wait until the computer is so old I build a totally new one. Is it a thing to sell old cards?
My specs (with newegg links!):
GTX 460 1GB GDDR5
500W Power Supply
i5 &50 clocked at 2.67 GHz
4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3
mATX Vulcan case
The reason why I'm including the case as part of my "specs" is that it's a micro ATX tower, meaning less space to deal with. I can't do fancy cooling solutions for my CPU or an extra-long graphics card, for instance.
Now onto the questions:
1) My CPU is an i5 750 that I can overclock to 3.0 GHz. Should I be upgrading that before the graphics card or am I good with that for a while yet? I don't think I've run into many games that are bottlenecking me because of CPU, but I can't be too sure.
2) I've been eye-ing the GTX 660 Ti for quite a while, but I'm kind of concerned about price ($350 IIRC). Though I've heard that AMD is really quite affordable, I'm wary about getting AMD since for the past several years there are driver problems on the AMD side and I've heard more than a few people on GAF express quite a bit of regret at going AMD. What's the general consensus here? nVidia has been nothing but good to me the entire time I've had my 460, but I have no firsthand experience with AMD. If you really think I should go AMD, which card should I be looking at? (EDIT: I'm not locked down to 660Ti, if you suggest another nVidia card like a 670, which I've read on here can actually be cheaper than $350, please do so)
3) Is a 460-to-660Ti a worthwhile upgrade? I'm increasingly having to lower the settings on newer releases because I don't get a smooth 60 FPS at 1080p with 4xAA and maxed out (or close to maxed out) graphics anymore. Would a 660Ti get me back on that level for most new releases? (Of course, there'll be the exception like Crysis 3, I don't expect flawless performance out of powerhouse games).
4) Is upgrading even worthwhile now? I wouldn't get a new graphics card for several years, and I'm kind of concerned that the new consoles would easily surpass most any GPU in today's PC market (8GB GDDR5 and all that jazz). Is that a legit concern or just FUD?
5) If I were to upgrade to a 660Ti or an AMD equivalent, would it fit in a mATX case? Would it be fine with my power supply? I want to avoid a situation where I get the card but can't actually use it because I have to change something else in my rig.
6) "Optional" question (this sounds like a quiz now
): What can I do with my old 460 if I did upgrade? This is my first time I'd be swapping out GPUs, whereas before I'd wait until the computer is so old I build a totally new one. Is it a thing to sell old cards?I want to upgrade my graphics card but I'm not sure about a few things:
My specs (with newegg links!):
GTX 460 1GB GDDR5
500W Power Supply
i5 &50 clocked at 2.67 GHz
4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3
mATX Vulcan case
The reason why I'm including the case as part of my "specs" is that it's a micro ATX tower, meaning less space to deal with. I can't do fancy cooling solutions for my CPU or an extra-long graphics card, for instance.
Now onto the questions:
1) My CPU is an i5 750 that I can overclock to 3.0 GHz. Should I be upgrading that before the graphics card or am I good with that for a while yet? I don't think I've run into many games that are bottlenecking me because of CPU, but I can't be too sure.
2) I've been eye-ing the GTX 660 Ti for quite a while, but I'm kind of concerned about price ($350 IIRC). Though I've heard that AMD is really quite affordable, I'm wary about getting AMD since for the past several years there are driver problems on the AMD side and I've heard more than a few people on GAF express quite a bit of regret at going AMD. What's the general consensus here? nVidia has been nothing but good to me the entire time I've had my 460, but I have no firsthand experience with AMD. If you really think I should go AMD, which card should I be looking at? (EDIT: I'm not locked down to 660Ti, if you suggest another nVidia card like a 670, which I've read on here can actually be cheaper than $350, please do so)
3) Is a 460-to-660Ti a worthwhile upgrade? I'm increasingly having to lower the settings on newer releases because I don't get a smooth 60 FPS at 1080p with 4xAA and maxed out (or close to maxed out) graphics anymore. Would a 660Ti get me back on that level for most new releases? (Of course, there'll be the exception like Crysis 3, I don't expect flawless performance out of powerhouse games).
4) Is upgrading even worthwhile now? I wouldn't get a new graphics card for several years, and I'm kind of concerned that the new consoles would easily surpass most any GPU in today's PC market (8GB GDDR5 and all that jazz). Is that a legit concern or just FUD?
5) If I were to upgrade to a 660Ti or an AMD equivalent, would it fit in a mATX case? Would it be fine with my power supply? I want to avoid a situation where I get the card but can't actually use it because I have to change something else in my rig.
6) "Optional" question (this sounds like a quiz now
1. You can OC that i5 much further with a good cooler, I've one at 3.8GHz. You'll be good for another while after doing that.
2. AMD offers better bang for buck, free games and their drivers are pretty solid now, no worse than Nvidia's. 7950 is in your budget and the 7970 might just be inside for a Sapphire one.
3. It is yes but for the 660 Ti go for the 3GB as the 2GB card is essentially only 1.5GB due to the memory bus. The performance difference is roughly this http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/542?vs=647
4. No new GPUs until the end of the year so the time is right now to buy. The 8GB of RAM is blown out of proportion by people who don't understand what it actually means. If you go for a 3GB card you'll be fine for a good while.
5. Your PSU, whilst not the best, will be enough. It is something I would consider upgrading, maybe a new one plus a 7950 could be a good shout.
6. Do whatever you wish, selling it is an option indeed.
IMACOMPUTA
Member
Well it'd be nice to stay at around $100, but I could go higher. I've always skimped out on power supplies. Maybe I should get a nice one now...
And comfy couch gaming is where it's at. I recently did some macguyver style cord runs from my basement office up to my Livingroom 55" tv. Ran USB over Ethernet, Ethernet, and hdmi. Plugged a USB hub in so I have my 360 controller receiver and a wireless kb+m and plugged a switch in so I can have all of my consoles on wired instead of wifi. Feels good man.
HolyBaikal
Banned
MisterNoisy
Member
I want to upgrade my graphics card but I'm not sure about a few things:
My specs (with newegg links!):
GTX 460 1GB GDDR5
500W Power Supply
i5 &50 clocked at 2.67 GHz
4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3
mATX Vulcan case
The reason why I'm including the case as part of my "specs" is that it's a micro ATX tower, meaning less space to deal with. I can't do fancy cooling solutions for my CPU or an extra-long graphics card, for instance.
Now onto the questions:
1) My CPU is an i5 750 that I can overclock to 3.0 GHz. Should I be upgrading that before the graphics card or am I good with that for a while yet? I don't think I've run into many games that are bottlenecking me because of CPU, but I can't be too sure.
2) I've been eye-ing the GTX 660 Ti for quite a while, but I'm kind of concerned about price ($350 IIRC). Though I've heard that AMD is really quite affordable, I'm wary about getting AMD since for the past several years there are driver problems on the AMD side and I've heard more than a few people on GAF express quite a bit of regret at going AMD. What's the general consensus here? nVidia has been nothing but good to me the entire time I've had my 460, but I have no firsthand experience with AMD. If you really think I should go AMD, which card should I be looking at? (EDIT: I'm not locked down to 660Ti, if you suggest another nVidia card like a 670, which I've read on here can actually be cheaper than $350, please do so)
3) Is a 460-to-660Ti a worthwhile upgrade? I'm increasingly having to lower the settings on newer releases because I don't get a smooth 60 FPS at 1080p with 4xAA and maxed out (or close to maxed out) graphics anymore. Would a 660Ti get me back on that level for most new releases? (Of course, there'll be the exception like Crysis 3, I don't expect flawless performance out of powerhouse games).
4) Is upgrading even worthwhile now? I wouldn't get a new graphics card for several years, and I'm kind of concerned that the new consoles would easily surpass most any GPU in today's PC market (8GB GDDR5 and all that jazz). Is that a legit concern or just FUD?
5) If I were to upgrade to a 660Ti or an AMD equivalent, would it fit in a mATX case? Would it be fine with my power supply? I want to avoid a situation where I get the card but can't actually use it because I have to change something else in my rig.
6) "Optional" question (this sounds like a quiz now
The Vulcan can fit some fairly long cards (I know my 670 would easily fit in it), and if you're not wedded to the fan on the left side panel, you can easily fit a 160mm high tower cooler - you just need to orient it so that it blows upwards towards the two top exhaust fans.
All that said, I'd probably stand pat until you can do a full build - the i5 and the 460 should be enough to play most games at decent settings for a while still. Maybe a couple of inexpensive upgrades (RAM and possibly a CPU cooler so you can OC that i5) to help keep the bug at bay.
Just did some wire cleanup and attached an older HDD with a bunch of my old information and it was insane how much more comfortable I felt. I'm no mastermind but I was plugging equipment in and out with no hesitation and I even did some significant improvements to my cable management.
My CPU power cable is still too short to run behind my R4's wall, but I might get an extension to remedy that.
It's more of a relief than anything. I damn near felt defeated the first night but now I'm glad I stuck it out because I felt way more comfortable now. Thanks for all the help throughout this process, this thread rocks.
My CPU power cable is still too short to run behind my R4's wall, but I might get an extension to remedy that.
It's more of a relief than anything. I damn near felt defeated the first night but now I'm glad I stuck it out because I felt way more comfortable now. Thanks for all the help throughout this process, this thread rocks.
Manp
Member
anyone else mad enough to use a HDTV as a monitor ? 43in 1080p LG, screen looks fantastic with HDMI. Had to lower the sharpness and other bits but looks as good as any LCD ive owned before just hugely bigger LOL.
there's a cat on your PC, in case you didn't notice.
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