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We unofficially support 4-way SLI - get your shit together son!
In my mind that means it's not sufficient if you have to turn things down to keep it under the VRAM limit. Just a thought of mine. Minimum of 3GB plz. They are fine at the moment for 1080p. For the most part at least. But yeah, dynamic RAM plays a part in it. Games will eat up whatever you have available, but I'd personally feel better with at least 3GB heading into next-gen.
Indeed.
I was perfectly happy... but then I had to read about how my 690GTX secretly sucks. Well, I won't be out too much at least. What did you end up selling your 690 for Smokey?
The 690 doesn't suck! The VRAM situation is the only thing holding it back from being the perfect single slot card in my eyes.
I don't know if this is future proof considering that a new socket mobo is coming out in two months
My troll senses are undecided on this post
Upon further review this machine is un-optimized and is still lacking 8GB GDDR5. A+
Smokey pls.
Is this PC worth it for $699?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B16YBBG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Also does it make a difference when a GPU has 3GB of onboard ram vs 1 or 2? If so how does it make a difference?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B16YBBG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Also does it make a difference when a GPU has 3GB of onboard ram vs 1 or 2? If so how does it make a difference?
I am of the same mindset. I bought a Coolermaster Centurion 590 years ago, and boy am I regretting it now. It's one of those typical "stacker" style cases, where the front of the case is taken up by a column of nine 5.25" bays. Well I only have one 5.25" device installed (DVD drive), and I have used that once in three years. Plus one HDD and one SDD. What a colossal waste of space.
These days, when I see people doing a [mainstream, not super high end] new build with a regular ATX setup, I almost want to speak up and ask "do you really need that".
loooool
Hey there are crazy people out there that will buy such a rig. Maybe not on GAF, but dey out dur in the wild
GPU is pretty weak on it. VRAM does make a difference if your card has enough power to make use of larger amounts which the GT640 is nowhere close to doing so.
What are you looking to use the PC for? Would you consider building your own?
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Dude I would wait... 690 is a better card. The Titan will go down as the most overrated card in history. Just think about this: Maxed with hair simulation at 2560x1600 Tombraider gets you 25 fps. You really think next gen games are going to run wonders on it? If you want to spend a fortune wait for the real killer cards once next gen starts.
Unless you really have money to burn and next year you want to spend another grand that is...
Define "maxed".
Looking to use it for straight up pacing gaming and general use. I would consider building my own but I really don't want something big and bulky. Is it harder to build a small form factor PC vs a larger desktop case? I saw Mkenyon's thread on this. I always don't want to break the bank. Would love to stay under $800 but also want a very capable machine. I have been thinking of doing the X51 for a while now but the i7/660 model is a little more than I want to pay
If you don't mind used office furniture, I would say find a used office furniture reseller in your area. Go down there and try out a bunch of different chairs. Office chairs can be pretty damn comfortable, since they are made to sit on 6-8 hours a day. That's where I found mine, and it is a hell of a lot better than the chairs at Staples/Office Max/etc. If you don't want used chairs, you can still go down there and see what brands you like, and see if they can order you a new model or find an alternative source. I try not to use stores as a showroom, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice.
I built this for $450 for our site: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...ft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm-pc-for-less-than-450
Yea, it doesn't have a CD drive or an OS, but most people already own those. By speccing out your own system you can save a ton of money and get something far better (650 Ti vs. GT 640 is a night and day difference in performance).
eBay and Dell Outlet are places to look for 'bargain' X51s like this maybe http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-ALIENW...1178609789?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3f2381347d
SFF always costs more as you probably already know. From what I know SFF isn't massively hard to build but you'd need to ask some of the guys on here who've done it. You could build an ITX system that features a 7850/660/7870 for about $850. Overclocked i5 @ 4.X GHz too (and yes mkenyon I did just verbatim copy your post from the X51 thread
).These aren't SFF but for around $700 you can get these sort of things http://pcpartpicker.com/p/N0bC, http://pcpartpicker.com/p/N0bX and an AMD option for the CPU http://pcpartpicker.com/p/N0cn. Still wiggle room in your top end budget too for changes to them.
Did you throw an extra touch of hyperbole in your coffee this morning?
Overrated and over priced do not have the same meaning.
Cannon Goose
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Ok, considering what all of you have said I think I'll wait a bit and get the 4GB card.
I'd imagine if it's anything that can hurt the monitor they will give some kind of warning before you change the settings.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Yeah but what would be best? For games.
What about the rest settings? Sharpness and stuff? I just don't know what's best and I'm probably conditioned to shit image quality by now.
Not that this monitor will be amazing or anything as it's probably among the cheapest for 1080p, but still...
It also seems a little too dark even though its brightness setting was maxed by default.
Or it's the contrast throwing me off with better blacks, I dunno.
What about the rest settings? Sharpness and stuff? I just don't know what's best and I'm probably conditioned to shit image quality by now.
Not that this monitor will be amazing or anything as it's probably among the cheapest for 1080p, but still...
It also seems a little too dark even though its brightness setting was maxed by default.
Or it's the contrast throwing me off with better blacks, I dunno.
Which one did you get?
I bought an LG 24EN33 and the brightness was way too bright for my eyes with factory settings. I switched it down to 30, contrast 70, and left the sharpness at 5. Anything lower and things got a little washed out.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
22EA53
You're right it's not the brightness, I can set it much lower than the default max without issue too.
I set sharpness to 6, it seems a tad better.
And left contrast to 70.
I'm really not noticing a difference between the response time settings, at least in movies, so I'll leave it at default, middle, unless someone explains why that's bad.
You're right it's not the brightness, I can set it much lower than the default max without issue too.
I set sharpness to 6, it seems a tad better.
And left contrast to 70.
I'm really not noticing a difference between the response time settings, at least in movies, so I'll leave it at default, middle, unless someone explains why that's bad.
SquiddyCracker
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Yeah, though first generation of Haswell mobos might come with their own slew of issues.
Thanks for the link. Helpful site
NarcissisticJay
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Ended up going with the EVGA 4GB 670 for $409.
Thanks for all the input-
Thanks for all the input-
EsotericManiac
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Need an honest response here please.
How far should I drive to get a EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 for $100.
I understand I'd need a new PSU to run this thing, but I figured if I had this, that would be much easier to deal with.
How far should I drive to get a EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 for $100.
I understand I'd need a new PSU to run this thing, but I figured if I had this, that would be much easier to deal with.
What? No. Don't bother with that
Why would you want to spend any money on a 5 year old video card tech? Save your money and buy something current.
Infinite Justice
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0.0 miles/kilo/etc.
Could you list your current specs so we can have something to go by and then give you suggestions?
EsotericManiac
Banned
What about a XFX Radeon 6970?
That one seems way better. He's saying $75
That one seems way better. He's saying $75
Damn somebody is trying to play you with that card and price
EsotericManiac
Banned
yea, after checking ebay that does seem rather terrible.
thanks for the heads up.
as for the other, the price on ebay is more than 2x his asking price
Infinite Justice
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WUT? that price seems really low for a card like that, you sure something isn't wrong with it.
He probably means a 6870. Which would still be a pretty good price.
EsotericManiac
Banned
yea, there must be something wrong with it judging by prices on ebay or other retailers :/
Infinite Justice
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I remember wanting a 6870 as a card for a older build and it was going for over 100-150 dollars at that point, plus the 6970 should be better. So yea the price is pretty crazy.
to be fair the card could actually be fine but its weird where he's pretty much ripping you off with one card and underselling (imo) with another (assuming both deals are from the same person).
I'm here to smash the inductive reasoning pushing for additional VRAM over the last few pages.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying you are all wrong, I am specifically saying I WANT BETTER INFORMATION TO CONVINCE ME.
I'm not quoting them to make sure they are huge and in your face.
Also, you all know I'm not a fan of FPS benchmarking due to it's horribly inaccurate nature. I'm not entirely convinced that the above information is proof that more VRAM on 670s/680s is worthless. We know for a fact that it does improve modded Skyrim and Rage, but those are very tiny outliers.
But, the argument "I turned my shit up and now I'm using more than 2GB of RAM so you want more than 2GB of RAM" is a really bad one. Get some data.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying you are all wrong, I am specifically saying I WANT BETTER INFORMATION TO CONVINCE ME.
I'm not quoting them to make sure they are huge and in your face.
Also, you all know I'm not a fan of FPS benchmarking due to it's horribly inaccurate nature. I'm not entirely convinced that the above information is proof that more VRAM on 670s/680s is worthless. We know for a fact that it does improve modded Skyrim and Rage, but those are very tiny outliers.
But, the argument "I turned my shit up and now I'm using more than 2GB of RAM so you want more than 2GB of RAM" is a really bad one. Get some data.
Hey guys. Just wanted an answer to some of these question. Hazaro told me to post in the the forum.
I thought you might know the answer to this question. I'm planning on bringing my PC tower with me to an internship and I was hoping you could answer a question or two.
I'm planning on going by plane and brining my PC tower. I'll be taking with me on the carry on, my two main SSD's, my video card, and memory.
The rest of the tower with the CPU, my H100 cooler and motherboard along with the fans and power supply I'll leave in the tower to check in.
I just had a question on whether I should worry about the H100 leaking or whatnot because of the pressure change when going up and down.
Also, I had a question or I guess I wanted your opinion on what do you think I should bring with me in the carry on.
I thought you might know the answer to this question. I'm planning on bringing my PC tower with me to an internship and I was hoping you could answer a question or two.
I'm planning on going by plane and brining my PC tower. I'll be taking with me on the carry on, my two main SSD's, my video card, and memory.
The rest of the tower with the CPU, my H100 cooler and motherboard along with the fans and power supply I'll leave in the tower to check in.
I just had a question on whether I should worry about the H100 leaking or whatnot because of the pressure change when going up and down.
Also, I had a question or I guess I wanted your opinion on what do you think I should bring with me in the carry on.
EsotericManiac
Banned
They are two different people in different locations. The "ripper" wouldn't drive 30 minutes to meet to rip me off, so he's out of the picture
I'm here to smash the inductive reasoning pushing for additional VRAM over the last few pages.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying you are all wrong, I am specifically saying I WANT BETTER INFORMATION TO CONVINCE ME.
I'm not quoting them to make sure they are huge and in your face.
Also, you all know I'm not a fan of FPS benchmarking due to it's horribly inaccurate nature. I'm not entirely convinced that the above information is proof that more VRAM on 670s/680s is worthless. We know for a fact that it does improve modded Skyrim and Rage, but those are very tiny outliers.
But, the argument "I turned my shit up and now I'm using more than 2GB of RAM so you want more than 2GB of RAM" is a really bad one. Get some data.
Max Payne was so much damn fun, although the PC specs are stupid ridiculous. Those charts further enforce my love for my 670. I love this thing.
Infinite Justice
Member
Well that explains it then.
But now its questioning the price of this new deal.
The problem is current games are designed for 2GB VRAM. If the game starts hitting wall, they seem to be dynamically adjusting to stay under. Thus, it may not show up during FPS numbers. To overcome this, you need games with third party mods that pushes beyond the games original design, like Skyrim.
And, when people were saying 1GB was fine for 1080p, I recommended 2GB because I was pretty sure games will start using more VRAM. It's that time again. The current games 2GB are fine for 1080p, but I would still recommend 3GB or more given the games will use more once nextgen consoles becomes standard.
Frankfurter
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Huh? 1GB VRAM is still fine for anything up until 1080p. There is literally zero difference between the HD7850 1GB and the HD7850 2GB.
Not saying one should still get a 1GB performance card, but 2GB seems to be the sweet spot atm imo.
I don't think modded Skyrim is a good indicator of what the performance will be like due to the nature of how mods are implemented.
The other thing is that very specifically, I don't think the 670/680 have the memory bandwidth and general performance to where the additional RAM will change a game from stuttery mess to playable. If a game is using that much VRAM out of the gate, I really don't think the card will even be able to keep up with pumping out frames in the first place. All the evidence I've seen supports this as well.
If we were talking about a 2GB vs. 6GB Titan, that is a different story. Or a 1.5GB vs. 3GB 7950/7970. But neither of those exist.
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And yea, 1GB of VRAM is still fine for anything up to 1080p.
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Enough theorizing, I just want some data to back up these theories as there isn't anything to support it other than inductive reasoning and speculation. Those aren't sound ways to offer consumer advice.
The other thing is that very specifically, I don't think the 670/680 have the memory bandwidth and general performance to where the additional RAM will change a game from stuttery mess to playable. If a game is using that much VRAM out of the gate, I really don't think the card will even be able to keep up with pumping out frames in the first place. All the evidence I've seen supports this as well.
If we were talking about a 2GB vs. 6GB Titan, that is a different story. Or a 1.5GB vs. 3GB 7950/7970. But neither of those exist.
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And yea, 1GB of VRAM is still fine for anything up to 1080p.
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Enough theorizing, I just want some data to back up these theories as there isn't anything to support it other than inductive reasoning and speculation. Those aren't sound ways to offer consumer advice.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6359/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-review/6
The BF3 example is why using just FPS can be misleading.
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