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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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Sucks to hear.
Getting my 690 GTX back tomorrow hopefully. How bad is the stuttering with 2GB of VRAM? On Infinite of course.
Sucks to hear.
Getting my 690 GTX back tomorrow hopefully. How bad is the stuttering with 2GB of VRAM? On Infinite of course.
Infinite has stuttering issues out of the box regardless of your VRAM. I can't comment from personal experience as I have more than 2GB, but reading the Guru 3D Infinite review they recommend reducing AA and some settings if you've got 2GB (if playing on Ultra).
Above you can see a wide variety of in-game selectable quality modes @ 2560x1600. We switch in-between the image quality modes (Low to Ultra) to monitor frame buffer utilization. As you can see we are hovering at the 1.5 GB of graphics memory with FXAA enabled starting at High quality mode settings already. Once you increase the quality settings towards Ultra mode you start to reach a turning point where the game almost hits 2 GB of graphics memory. The measurement shown above is fairly similar and applicable for 1920x1080/1200 and 2560x1600. Now not everywhere in the game that much graphics memory is used, but there are some critical points in-game where you will reach or even pass the 2GB in combination with the highest quality modes. If you'd apply an exclusive AA mode like MSAA though graphics card drivers, we have no doubt you'll breach the 2GB threshold. So be careful with that.
Overall the advise is simple enough, make sure you have a graphics card with 2 GB of graphics memory when using High to Ultra image quality modes. Please keep in mind though that memory utilization will vary a bit per level, it's not a very precise thing to measure. As such take these values as an indication, not a precise measurement.
Before we move onwards into the conclusion it is handy to know how much graphics memory the game requires in a preferred resolution. You'll notice that 2GB graphics card are sufficient and that's the number this game has been aiming on. A graphics card with 2 GB of graphics memory minimum is really recommended by us. Should you have less available and run into performance issues, the easiest way out preventing frames from being swapped back and forth in that frame buffer is to select lower quality settings or disable AA levels.
Anyway, 2GB minimum for your graphics card, it is the magic number to find Elizabeth
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/bioshock_infinite_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,8.html
PoweredBySoy
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Speaking of doghouse, I reformatted my wifes C: drive tonight for a fresh install, and apparently she lost a ton of pictures. Does anybody have any experience with recovering lost files on a formatted drive?
I'm trying a couple freeware programs right now, but I don't seem to be having much luck. Next step would be to take it to a recovery place.
I'm trying a couple freeware programs right now, but I don't seem to be having much luck. Next step would be to take it to a recovery place.
Cool. Its a corsair hx620 so that will offset the price quite a bit.
My new order is
1 Seagate Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001
1 Palit GeForce GTX Titan 6GB
1 Crucial M4 SSD 128GB
Thanks again for all your help guys. Would have been gutted once I realized I blew my wad on an SLI setup.
Seems like the issue will get a lot worse down the line since next gen games will likely use a lot more vram as well. Maybe I'll just sell my 690GTX and buy myself a titan...
Jesus... I'm sitting on Amazon with a Titan in my cart about to hit place order.
knitoe, the thought has crossed my mind. I'm going through all kinds of mental gymnastic to justify it.
You know you need 2...
Not a bad idea. You should pause and consider two. They do look pretty sweet. Shameless pic of mine:
Think long and hard
One is good enough, if you go through with it you'll be satisfied
Not a bad idea. You should pause and consider two. They do look pretty sweet. Shameless pic of mine:
Think long and hard
How's your titans temps?
On stock the top card (far right) is usually in the 78c area. Second card is usually 4c cooler. I have a slight OC of +106 gpu clock +107 mem, with power at 106% and temp target at 90c. Comes close to the temp target at times. For the most part mid-low 80s.
Would love to throw em under water...
Good choice
Jzero
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What case is that? I always wanted a case with the window on the right side.Not a bad idea. You should pause and consider two. They do look pretty sweet. Shameless pic of mine:
Think long and hard
One is good enough, if you go through with it you'll be satisfied
Actually there are none available at the usual places I shop... this will give me some time to think. Maybe when I get my 690GTX tomorrow I will just be happy with it and forget about this whole thing. There really isn't any reason for me to want to upgrade. I just bought the thing five months ago!
We all know how this ends though...
That would be the Silverstone FT02. Truly a great case. It's not the easiest to work in due to it being somewhat outdated ( I got mine 2 years ago), but damn if it's not solid and impressive in person. Aluminum body, hardly any plastic. The HDD racks might be the only plastic in the case.
When they get to 80C, they become too loud for my taste. As for going water, I did that 6 years ago. It's probably much better now, but when I did it, I spent way too much time in testing and maintenance. And, if I ever need to move thing around, it was a pain in the ass. Now, I just want to plug and play.
I only see crysis 3 go up to like 1.5
Ok, I ordered the titan. The only other solution I came up with was buying a 1080p monitor to game with, but I'm too in love with 1440p tbh.
Thanks again for costing me money guys. I guess I better go read the thread on super-sampling now and learn how to take some screen-shot porn.
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Thanks again for costing me money guys. I guess I better go read the thread on super-sampling now and learn how to take some screen-shot porn.
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Infinite Justice
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You finally got them under control now?
Just tested the game. Max settings @ 1440p was running 2.7GB.
Really the only thing stopping me.. My feels are pretty much yours to a t
Not possible unless you're not running it maxed.
Yeah. That original debut Titan driver really messed with my machine. YouTube would flicker, I'd get all types of crashes, etc. Dunno what was up but everything after that has been good.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
H100i badge of honor represent!
Late night here so lack of lighting ><
memecomplex
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Hey Smokey, that's gotta be dynamic ram or something right? Like it's using that much because you have a lot type of thing? Otherwise it's surprising that a console port will use that much VRAM. I guess what I'm also trying to say is that, I think 2GB of VRAM doesn't mean you can't run current or next gen games, you just need to turn down settings; e.g. AA or textures.
And to add my experiences with SLI, they have been generally smooth and trouble free if you are the type of gamer who turns on VSync. With VSync enabled motion and panning are usually glassy smooth but it does stutter here and there sporadically versus a single GPU solution (like when panning and the motion hitches suddenly) , plus with SLI you can add more AA or run higher res and multiple monitors with higher framerates.
But if you are a core gamer who values input latency and disables VSync when gaming, a single GPU might be a better fit = less input lag (from SLI and the VSync), less stutter/microstutter, but you will have to turn down that AA and some options (e.g. less monitors) to get it to run as high a framerate as it was running in SLI.
My current direction now: mITX with a single Titan, as kennah said, it's the new hawtness
memecomplex
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Indeed.
I was perfectly happy... but then I had to read about how my 690GTX secretly sucks. Well, I won't be out too much at least. What did you end up selling your 690 for Smokey?
He sold it to me for a high price!
Nah man the GTX 690 most definitely does not suck. It's horses for courses. Really depends how you game. I was totally fine with it until mkenyon came along and ruined the SLI party for me ;-]
memecomplex
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Lucky. My splash's gonna have a 670
Single GPU FTW ;-]
670 rocks too man!
When I first started on this whole PC direction I wanted the most powerful system possible, partly from the frustration of being held back in console gaming for nearly a decade, so I wanted 60 fps at 1080p with all settings maxed out.
But the more I've played with PCs, the more I realized it's about the fine art of balancing your settings to play the game the way you want to. For some like Smokey it's multi monitors at 1440p, for mkenyon it's 120Hz at 8.3ms frametimes, for Sethos (rest his banned soul) it's to downsample from 10K at 0.5 fps.
What I realized is that PC games are so scalable and that you'll find a way to enjoy your game with pretty much whatever rig or modern GPU you own.
Ewwwwwwww
Look at all those dumb functions keys taking up space
welcometopcgaming.gif
Oh I don't have time to play games.
memecomplex
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Oh I don't have time to play games.
Building the perfect PC is the best game ever.
Infinite Justice
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Congrats on dealing with that.
Damn those cards are interesting but i dont have much financial backing and even then my mind would constantly mock me asking wtf am i doing.
New News article in the OP
03/28/2013: Frame times and observable FPS through FCAT will new mark a new era of benchmarking (And why you should avoid CrossFire for now). PCPER. TechReport. Anandtech.
03/28/2013: Frame times and observable FPS through FCAT will new mark a new era of benchmarking (And why you should avoid CrossFire for now). PCPER. TechReport. Anandtech.
There are a lot of games that use more than 2GB, but it's dynamic. Never has a benchmark supported the theory that having higher RAM 670s/680s given better performance, even when that number is surpassed. Games are intelligent in how VRAM is streamed in, so when it's above that level the game is just stretching out and taking up more space.
SquiddyCracker
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Was just playing around with a really old computer of mine and my brother's old one, trying to figure out how to combine their components into one massively improved version. Well, turns out my computer had a 550W PSU - which I presume was way too much for the needs of a GT 8600 and Dual Core 2 E6750.
It looks like a really high quality PSU as well, as it has been running without a hitch for the last 6-7 years. Wish I had checked it out sooner as I could have used it maybe for my Node, but then it might not have had enough pins for the graphic card.
The new amalgation of old components was basically just the PSU and 2x1GB DDR2 RAM mashed into the brother's computer which had an equivalent AMD2 CPU. already 2x2GB DDR2 ram (bringing it up to a total of 6GB) and a HD 4750-something. Shame that old components become so expensive over time, so that's the extend of upgrades I could make without buying a new mobo.
It looks like a really high quality PSU as well, as it has been running without a hitch for the last 6-7 years. Wish I had checked it out sooner as I could have used it maybe for my Node, but then it might not have had enough pins for the graphic card.
The new amalgation of old components was basically just the PSU and 2x1GB DDR2 RAM mashed into the brother's computer which had an equivalent AMD2 CPU. already 2x2GB DDR2 ram (bringing it up to a total of 6GB) and a HD 4750-something. Shame that old components become so expensive over time, so that's the extend of upgrades I could make without buying a new mobo.
Cannon Goose
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So there's a $70 difference between a 2GB 670 and a 4GB 670. I was looking at the 2GB initially but now I'm not so sure. Is the 4GB absolutely the way to go?
memecomplex
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A month ago I would have said yes, but now no, it's not absolutely the way to go. It's all down to the games you want to play and how you want to play them; e.g. Skyrim with tons, i mean tons, of mods, Rage with 16K textures, those you'll need 4GB, maybe future console ports too, but who knows. For now 2GB is sufficient, your 670 will most likely run out of breath before you run out of VRAM (in the case of AA application).
RibbedHero
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In case anyone missed the latest article in the Inside the Second series:
http://techreport.com/review/24553/inside-the-second-with-nvidia-frame-capture-tools
Undoubtedly the 4GB version now that we know the amount of RAM next-gen consoles are likely to have.
http://techreport.com/review/24553/inside-the-second-with-nvidia-frame-capture-tools
Undoubtedly the 4GB version now that we know the amount of RAM next-gen consoles are likely to have.
memecomplex
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By the time next gen consoles are out you can upgrade to next gen cards, or you know, dial down those settings. I would be surprised if next gen console ports won't run on 2GB cards at all.
RibbedHero
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Next-gen consoles will be out in 7 months time. If you're in my situation, with two 2GB 670s, then it would make sense to wait for a while till a beastly card comes out that can dominate the consoles in terms of VRAM along with the obvious power advantage. If you're buying now, no point buying a card that may prove inadequate soon. Hell, Crysis 3 eat up 1.8GB VRAM, BF3 does 1.5GB and I imagine BF4 fully tricked out pulls more than 2GB (you won't be running it at 60fps on a 670, but 2GB will still prove insufficient).
memecomplex
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PS4 might be out in 7 months, but the console ports may not be. Yes those are valid points to consider, but still 4GB is not absolutely the way to go. It's all down to personal preference and how you want to go about balancing your options.
Oh and Titans been out for a while now
theSlacker
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Why I am liking the smaller form factor cases now, along with more higher quality motherboards in those small form factors. Was a time when I always loved multi card setups with water cooling, but after dealing with it for years I now prefer a single card and a good hsf for the cpu.
Why right now seems to be a really bad time to try any "future proofing", if there is ever a good time for it. Haswell right around the corner as well as the next console generation so the lowest common denominator for game makers is rising.
Damn easter weekend my new pc won't be here until next friday
Anyone able to recommend me a good case for this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£245.94 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£89.98 @ Dabs)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£119.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £535.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-29 09:32 GMT+0000)
Anyone able to recommend me a good case for this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£245.94 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£89.98 @ Dabs)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£119.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £535.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-29 09:32 GMT+0000)
TerryLee81
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Damn easter weekend my new pc won't be here until next friday
Anyone able to recommend me a good case for this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£245.94 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£89.98 @ Dabs)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£119.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £535.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-29 09:32 GMT+0000)
Fractal Define R4? Or Arc Midi R2, if that's already available where you live
SquiddyCracker
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Hey guys, am I futureproof with this machine?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£824.98 @ Novatech)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£89.98 @ Dabs)
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme/BF3 EATX LGA2011 Motherboard (£354.39 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£285.80 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£285.80 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£359.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£359.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) (£803.74 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) (£803.74 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) (£803.74 @ Ebuyer)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card (£138.68 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Lian-Li PC-V750B (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£281.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case Fan: BitFenix Spectre Pro 156.3 CFM 230mm Fan (£14.76 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: BitFenix Spectre Pro 156.3 CFM 230mm Fan (£14.76 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: BitFenix Spectre Pro 156.3 CFM 230mm Fan (£14.76 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA Classified 1500W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£375.96 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (£65.63 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Keyboard: Filco Ninja Majestouch-2 Wired Standard Keyboard (£120.00 @ Amazon UK)
Mouse: SteelSeries Sensei RAW Wired Laser Mouse (£35.57 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £7740.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-29 10:07 GMT+0000)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3970X Extreme Edition 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£824.98 @ Novatech)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£89.98 @ Dabs)
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme/BF3 EATX LGA2011 Motherboard (£354.39 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£285.80 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£285.80 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£359.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£359.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) (£803.74 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) (£803.74 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card (3-Way SLI) (£803.74 @ Ebuyer)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card (£138.68 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Lian-Li PC-V750B (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£281.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case Fan: BitFenix Spectre Pro 156.3 CFM 230mm Fan (£14.76 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: BitFenix Spectre Pro 156.3 CFM 230mm Fan (£14.76 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: BitFenix Spectre Pro 156.3 CFM 230mm Fan (£14.76 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA Classified 1500W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£375.96 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (£65.63 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£284.50 @ Ebuyer)
Keyboard: Filco Ninja Majestouch-2 Wired Standard Keyboard (£120.00 @ Amazon UK)
Mouse: SteelSeries Sensei RAW Wired Laser Mouse (£35.57 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £7740.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-29 10:07 GMT+0000)
Good save there. RAW is good value.
theSlacker
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No poptarts?
lol that looks similar to the Euromillions build I did for myself and posted on Twitter last night http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/kharma45/saved/1oJ1
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