Wouldn't having the OS and playing games on the same drive affect performance somewhat? Totally new to SSDs, as you can see.
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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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Hello there PC Gaf. I'm planning out my first build and looking to do some gaming with it. Here's what I'm thinking so far.
CPU: i5 3570
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX ($263 total for combo with CPU @ Microcenter)
GPU: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 ($303 SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ($80 Newegg)
PSU: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS ($56 Amazon)
Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO ($30 Outlet PC)
Total: $732
(Taking 8GB ram, HDD, and optical drive out of my current PC... not sure about the brands)
I can't seem to decide on that GPU, though. I didn't want to spend that much, so I kept swapping between a 660/Ti and a 7870/XT. Opinions seemed pretty split between 660 models and 7870 models, so I just gave up and threw the 7950 in there for now since it's clearly the best of the 3. But I'd still prefer to save a little bit and get one of the other two if it's reasonable.
Thanks!
CPU: i5 3570
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX ($263 total for combo with CPU @ Microcenter)
GPU: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 ($303 SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ($80 Newegg)
PSU: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS ($56 Amazon)
Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO ($30 Outlet PC)
Total: $732
(Taking 8GB ram, HDD, and optical drive out of my current PC... not sure about the brands)
I can't seem to decide on that GPU, though. I didn't want to spend that much, so I kept swapping between a 660/Ti and a 7870/XT. Opinions seemed pretty split between 660 models and 7870 models, so I just gave up and threw the 7950 in there for now since it's clearly the best of the 3. But I'd still prefer to save a little bit and get one of the other two if it's reasonable.
Thanks!
BeekleMatter
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Is it normal for one CPU core to be running much higher than the other three? I have an i5-3570k.
EDIT: I guess I should add that I'm playing Minecraft and Java is using most of my memory, etc. But why only one core?
Looks like this.
EDIT: I guess I should add that I'm playing Minecraft and Java is using most of my memory, etc. But why only one core?
Looks like this.
Rotational yes, SSD no
Ah that's great, might shell out the extra £50 for a 128GB in that case. Thanks!
I can't check american websites right now but last time (like, a week ago) I looked at some UK websites, the 7870 XT was a good 50£ cheaper than the 660Ti and gave almost the same performance. If you want to hit a note for price/performance then I'd go with that. If you want the best performance out of the cards you listed, it'd be the 7950. 7950 overclocks really well, if you're interested in that - would increase performance notably.
Yeah, it's normal. IIRC it's to do with temperature diode being inaccurate when the cpu senses the delta TJmax is large. If you're CPU is 40-50 degrees away from the maximum threshold there's no real reason to be 100% accurate in reporting temperatures. They get more accurate as the delta TJ max decreases.
Edit: just saw you updated your post and weren't talking about temperatures. Whoops!
Ah that's great, might shell out the extra £50 for a 128GB in that case. Thanks!
SSD wise in the UK the Kingston HyperX 3K is probably the best value for money at £80. I've the V300 myself but the price of the HyperX 3K has plummeted of late for some reason. It's an excellent drive and the best at this end of the market. http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007R67FNA/
I presume that 3570 is the K model?
Celcius
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What is a good program to gauge temps in the case?
I would use Realtemp/Coretemp for the cpu and GPU-Z to look at the videocard's temp. If you're using an ssd, there should be software available from the manufacturer's website to show the status/temp of it as well (intel ssd toolbox, samsung ssd magician, etc). Improving the cable management should definitely help. Judging by the pic, are both of those fans at the top set to exhaust? Adding an intake fan to the bottom would help to blow some fresh/cool air over your components as well. Lastly, you can also see idle temps in your bios for the cpu/chipset.
That would be such a troll combo to offer that mobo with a locked 3570 haha, Carlisle make sure it's the 3570K!!
I've seen people make that mistake before so you can never be too careful.
CaptainZombie
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Celcius, this was half way through the build so the cables were all over the place so I can figure out where I was going to place them.
There are only 2 fans, on the right side of the box where the CPU sits. There are a tons of vents on the back and a vent on the left side. There are no intake fans or vents on the top of the case. I was thinking of maybe modding the top of the case to maybe get 2 intake fans on it. But I am not sure if I want to go through all that yet or not.
I'll take some pics here in a few and post some temps. I just don't want to fry anything in this case since its not heavily ventilated.
I did, but I can't push my locked one past 4.3 ghz where I live without temp problems so I'm not upset about it.
Thanks!
Haha yes it is K! Thanks for making me double check though. Must've stopped the cursor highlighting a bit too soon when I did the copy/paste.
Thanks for the insight. Really tempted to stick with that 7950 now since it sounds like it'll really future-proof the rig for a bit longer than the others. Otherwise, I don't think the little money I'd save by getting the 660TI would be worth the performance hit, dropping from a 7950. 7870 seems like the better price/power ratio, as per abunai's suggestion. Aside from the cards, the rest of the build is sound then?
Thanks again
Edit: One last thought, PC part picker estimates my power consumption at 386W. Is a 550W supply overkill then? My current PC has a 460W (Cooler Master RS-460-PSAR-J3, to be exact) in there now, so the layman in me says that should be plenty. I have a feeling I'm somehow reading these numbers wrong or missing something, though.
CaptainZombie
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These are my temps with this case after an hour of playing Bioshock Infinite at about Normal/High settings. I really like this case and how it looks since I originally wanted the HAF XB case, but that is one huge case to place on an AV stand.
My specs:
i5 2500K (not overclocked)
8 GB DDR3 1333 MHZ
EVGA 560 2GB SC
550W Ultra PSU
ASRock Z68 Pro3-M
500 GB HDD
1 TB HDD
How do my temps look to you guys?
There are only 2 outtake fans, should I try to modify an intake fan or two? I am also surprised that the top of this case has no vents open to even release heat.
My specs:
i5 2500K (not overclocked)
8 GB DDR3 1333 MHZ
EVGA 560 2GB SC
550W Ultra PSU
ASRock Z68 Pro3-M
500 GB HDD
1 TB HDD
How do my temps look to you guys?
There are only 2 outtake fans, should I try to modify an intake fan or two? I am also surprised that the top of this case has no vents open to even release heat.
I'd stick with the 550 watt, it's always good to have that headroom for overclocking and future GPU upgrades. Kharma had a really good 550 watt PSU he was recommending earlier in this thread, I forget the model though.
Java is bad at threading. It doesn't really take advantage of multiple cores.
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Waiting for the 700 series to be out this May (if it comes out this May) is agonizing. I just want to buy my build already.
mhayze
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I thought the rumor was at Computex (in June) for the new Titan-based 780. This is all info from the usual suspects (Fudzilla, SA, etc.) so I'd take it with a grain of salt. Are you looking for a high end card?
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Yes, that'll last me for 2 years. Might just go with the 7970 GHz like I've said before in this thread.
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The application uses both CPU and sometimes GPU to perform tasks. It is incredibly easy to use.
Additionally, you can also contribute to research with the community grid application from UC Berkeley. It's called BOINC and it focuses on many diseases including the ones mentioned before but also diseases such as schistosoma, which is caused by a protozoan parasite infection. The goal of this research is to help give scientists better understanding of how proteins fold so better drugs can be made to cure diseases. Additionally, projects about nuclear fusion, astrophysics, biofuel, water projects, and clean energy projects are performed on BOINC.
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I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I bought the ARMA3 Alpha yesterday, and put about 2hrs into it, tonight.
MAN, what a breath of fresh air it is. The mouse controls are spot-on, which is huge, IMO. Love the way the cursor moves. I have absolutely ZERO(!) idea what I'm doing - I think I got about four kills, but died over 30 times. But it's very obvious it's a game that rewards patience, strategy, skill, and teamwork - things that games like BF3 and COD fail to embrace.
I had ARMA2, but never played more than a few hours of it because it ran like garbage. On my new 670 (versus a 5870 and 570), it seems to stay above 30fps in multi so long as I turn the AA down. While a far cry from the 60fps I'd prefer, it "feels" okay running at 30 - and it's a whole lot better than the 10-20fps I was getting in the last game.
Plus, at some points, it looks absolutely breathtaking:
Anyhoo - reason I'm posting is this is a game that will DEFINITELY put your card to work - curious how two 670s would fair...
MAN, what a breath of fresh air it is. The mouse controls are spot-on, which is huge, IMO. Love the way the cursor moves. I have absolutely ZERO(!) idea what I'm doing - I think I got about four kills, but died over 30 times. But it's very obvious it's a game that rewards patience, strategy, skill, and teamwork - things that games like BF3 and COD fail to embrace.
I had ARMA2, but never played more than a few hours of it because it ran like garbage. On my new 670 (versus a 5870 and 570), it seems to stay above 30fps in multi so long as I turn the AA down. While a far cry from the 60fps I'd prefer, it "feels" okay running at 30 - and it's a whole lot better than the 10-20fps I was getting in the last game.
Plus, at some points, it looks absolutely breathtaking:
Anyhoo - reason I'm posting is this is a game that will DEFINITELY put your card to work - curious how two 670s would fair...
BeekleMatter
Member
G'day, quick question. How do I go about checking my computers temperatures, etc..
I'd recommend http://openhardwaremonitor.org/
*slap* read the OPG'day, quick question. How do I go about checking my computers temperatures, etc..
Looks like the previous version of HW Monitor which is now with CPUID and in the OP
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Can anyone here speak for the 3570k when it comes to Planetside 2?
I haven't played in two months or so, but I used to get 45~ fps on highest settings in enormous BioLab fights - i'd normally tone it down to lock 60fps. This was before the big optimisation updates that SOE promised, so it's probably irrelevant now. 4.6GHz 3570k, GTX 670.
edit: just did a quick google, seems the performance patches either did nothing or doubled people's FPS. ~SOE programming~
1st Course
Member
Not a good time to get a 2GB GPU imo, especially since you're going over $1500 too. With a worse case I managed to put the following PC:
if you want my opinion it will be better if you downgraded to 8 GB Ram and got a 3770K insted, CPU is way more important. Of course you can always pay $70-$100 for the 16GB if money is not an issue.
Edit: You should probably get a better PSU too.
I got a dual channel kit Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) currently install in my system, so I want to add another dual channel kit but different brand G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) . Both has same speed and voltage, so will I have compatibility issues?
Motherboard is ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU is i5-3570K
Motherboard is ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU is i5-3570K
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Thank you
Solid advice but he could probably save some cash and get some free games in the process by going for a 3 GB HD 7970 instead of the 4 GB 680. Price premium isn't really worth it for the 4 GB 680.
CaptainZombie
Member
These are my temps with this case after an hour of playing Bioshock Infinite at about Normal/High settings. I really like this case and how it looks since I originally wanted the HAF XB case, but that is one huge case to place on an AV stand.
My specs:
i5 2500K (not overclocked)
8 GB DDR3 1333 MHZ
EVGA 560 2GB SC
550W Ultra PSU
ASRock Z68 Pro3-M
500 GB HDD
1 TB HDD
How do my temps look to you guys?
There are only 2 outtake fans, should I try to modify an intake fan or two? I am also surprised that the top of this case has no vents open to even release heat.
I hate to bump one of my own threads, but I was wondering how my temps are in my system? I'm worrying about overheating the everything in the case. As I'm reading around, these temps seem to be safe, I was hoping for some GAF PC expert advice.
Are the 2 HDD's ok with how I have them setup since these were 2 slots where they would go? I was thinking of adding a Blu-ray drive at some point, which would go above the HDD on the upper right hand corner of the main image.
I bought this new case yesterday which is geared towards HTPC but I am using it more for comfy couch gaming so I could place it in my AV stand.
Temps are fine. The CPU can run high with the stock cooler. Get 3rd party cooler and OC the CPU. And, get a SSD. It makes a big difference Windows load and snappiness.
Picked up the Xonar DXG sound card to replace the onboard sound of my Sabertooth Z77 mobo. I am using Sennheiser 595 headphones and the difference is night an day. Bass is much deeper and the overall audio is a richer experience. Love it so far. Need to test out the Dolby Surround a bit more.
sorijealut
Member
This seems like a great price for this case, for those looking for Bitfenix Prodigy:
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.p...00-WWXKW-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1413
I think I will choose something like this for my next one.
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.p...00-WWXKW-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1413
I think I will choose something like this for my next one.
CaptainZombie
Member
I can look at 3rd party coolers, any good recommendations?
The SSD is something that I want to add here in the next few months.
If the Nvidia 700 series doesn't release next month or this year as rumored, I might jump on a 660 TI 3GB.
My biggest concern is that do you guys think that I can overheat any components in this case with them only having 2 exhaust fans? Those exhaust fans pull out a hell of a lot of air for sure. I was thinking of modding this case to add one more fan
You're overthinking it. Temps will be fine. Get a Noctua low profile cooler like the NH-L12
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=46&lng=en
Really the most important thing for what you're doing is placement - make sure none of the sides are obstructed. Where is the computer going?
He made me confused. i am upgrading from C2D E7500.
CaptainZombie
Member
Yeah I am over thinking this way too much. This is going to sit on an AV stand where all 4 sides of the stand are wide open. There is nothing obstructing the fans or openings of the case.
If I add the 660 TI to this, that card runs much cooler than my 560 2gb correct since its Kepler?
3770 would be a huge huge huge increase. But if you can, wait until Haswell, at the very least you'll get a socket that'll last longer.
Yep.
CaptainZombie
Member
Thanks Kennah.
I was also wondering about Blu-ray drives. Do they come with software to be able to run BD movies? I wanted to move my dedicated BD player upstairs and use my PC to play BD movies. Since my card or any future card I purchase can decode DTS-HD MA and Dolby True HD I should be good there.
So after some more research (see: this), I decided I'm probably gonna go with this:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 (not k)
Motherboard: ASUS P8B75-V
Considering the info of my situation of the first post (not great budget, etc), how bad/good is the combo? Should I really stretch for another motherboard/CPU?
Not really planning on overclocking, I mostly need this to run Visual Studio and such programs, which already worked well on my 965 and I'm figuring it will not bother me luckily for another (couple of) year(s) or so (since gaming is not really the priority), at which point I'll be ready to buy a brand new build.
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 (not k)
Motherboard: ASUS P8B75-V
Considering the info of my situation of the first post (not great budget, etc), how bad/good is the combo? Should I really stretch for another motherboard/CPU?
Not really planning on overclocking, I mostly need this to run Visual Studio and such programs, which already worked well on my 965 and I'm figuring it will not bother me luckily for another (couple of) year(s) or so (since gaming is not really the priority), at which point I'll be ready to buy a brand new build.
You can unlock a lot of performance with overclocking. Let's say you get 4.4 Ghz (not that hard with a decent cooler) then the clock rate is 22% faster than full turbo on all cores. If you delid 5Ghz suddenly starts to be possible, near 40% increase in clock rate.
I am now pleased with my 3570k running at 4.2 Ghz (H60, runs 70ish, but the voltage hasn't been tweaked because I'm lazy) and I like to know that when it starts to be slow in apps I can take the risk delidding it to get that extra boost in cooling.
Delidders: You are putting on that awesome metal-like thermal compound on the CPU and putting the heatspreader back on it again? Putting the cooler directly onto the chip seems very hard because the coolers aren't made for it and risky as the chip itself can break.
Cracked Ivy Bridge.
Built a new HTPC this weekend. AMD A8 5600K, some high clocking Samsung ram (running at 2133 right now), on the ASRock FM2 ITX board. Put it in a Prodigy with an H55, two Spectre Pro fans. This allowed me to OC it to 4.2GHz while keeping things cool.
It runs amazingly well. Playing non intensive games like Bastion, Trials Gold, and that sort of thing is a piece of cake. I'm really liking this APU.
Otherwise, EK makes mounting kits for their waterblocks to use specifically without a heatspreader.
It runs amazingly well. Playing non intensive games like Bastion, Trials Gold, and that sort of thing is a piece of cake. I'm really liking this APU.
Do you need VT-d support?
Use this to attach the heatspreader back on. It ends up functioning like solder.
Otherwise, EK makes mounting kits for their waterblocks to use specifically without a heatspreader.
I'm not sure what that is/does. A quick google says it's some sort of enhanced I/O for virtualization. I'm not planning on using virtualization too much, really (ie, only light tasks maybe).
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