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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP

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MWS Natural

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After much delay (and major Xbone disapointment) I am finally putting my new PC together within the next month or so. What is the best graphics card I can fit in here for next gen gaming:


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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112222
 
Baleoce

Baleoce

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Mad1723 said:
It is not that difficult. You can get away simply removing the expansion cards (PCI and PCIE-E), unplugging all the cable and leaving the CPU cooler on if you lift when the computer is flat. (if the cooler is enormous and puts pressure by its weight, then remove it and reinstall it when you install in the new case to avoid bending or damaging the motherboard)

Then remove all the screws on your motherboard and leave it on the table. Get the rest of the components out, without the screws as the new cases comes with screws.

Install the I/O backplate of your motherbord first on the new case, you'll thank me later :)

Make sure the spacers are installed on the motherboard tray of the new case after that, and reverse process. PSU is usually one of the last component to install.

Hope that clears it up a bit :)
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Thanks man, much appreciated :)
 
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Durante

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MWS Natural said:
After much delay (and major Xbone disapointment) I am finally putting my new PC together within the next month or so. What is the best graphics card I can fit in here for next gen gaming:
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You can fit pretty much anything in there. So I guess "the best" would be a Titan, if you are rich as fuck. If not, then you should probably go for a 4GB 770. A 7970 GHz is also an option, but for a SFF build Nvidia's lower power consumption might be advantageous.
 
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Whiteshirt

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A quick question but how is SLI compatibility these days? Since I can't find any GTX770s with a reference style cooler, I'm thinking of biting the bullet and choosing GTX670 SLI or a single GTX780. I need CUDA so AMD isn't an option, unfortunately.
 
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Durante

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Whiteshirt said:
A quick question but how is SLI compatibility these days? Since I can't find any GTX770s with a reference style cooler, I'm thinking of biting the bullet and choosing GTX670 SLI or a single GTX780. I need CUDA so AMD isn't an option, unfortunately.
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I you want dual GPU, AMD isn't a good option at this point anyway. SLI scaling with 2 GPUs is somewhat OK these days, of course stil not as good in terms of latency/game support as single cards.
 
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GHG

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Whiteshirt said:
A quick question but how is SLI compatibility these days? Since I can't find any GTX770s with a reference style cooler, I'm thinking of biting the bullet and choosing GTX670 SLI or a single GTX780. I need CUDA so AMD isn't an option, unfortunately.
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I've been using SLI for the 1st time since the turn of the year and its been brilliant, 100% problem free on all games ive played apart from Tomb Raider at release which was botched on all nvidia cards including single card configurations.

If its pure game performance you're after then go for the 670 sli but if cuda is what you need more then the 780 may be the better choice as it has more cuda cores.
 
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Durante said:
I you want dual GPU, AMD isn't a good option at this point anyway. SLI scaling with 2 GPUs is somewhat OK these days, of course stil not as good in terms of latency/game support as single cards.
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That's not quite true. If you're using one monitor with dual cards, AMD's latest beta drivers fixes all the frame latency issues. Multi-card/multi-monitor on the other hand isn't up to snuff yet. Seems to me the coding in eyefinity needs some work.
 
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Durante

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Irobot82 said:
That's not quite true. If you're using one monitor with dual cards, AMD's latest beta drivers fixes all the frame latency issues. Multi-card/multi-monitor on the other hand isn't up to snuff yet. Seems to me the coding in eyefinity needs some work.
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So they finally released those drivers to the public? Is there a test anywhere?
 
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Eaten By A Grue

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Baleoce said:
How difficult is a case transplant? (going for something with more efficient airflow design, I guess it depends on the case) When I get around to doing it, I want to change the PSU for something beefier at the same time.
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I did that two weeks ago moving from a BitPhoenix case to a Fractal case. Everything was easy except I ended up removing the CPU from the mobo and putting new thermal paste on the CPU.
 
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If I'm in the market for a new GPU right now (upgrading from a 5770) and I want something with a little staying power, should I be concerned that most cards only have 2GB of memory in light of the nextgen consoles? Or is that really nothing to be concerned with? I'm just wondering if nextgen console ports end up being unoptimized messes on PC due in part to things like that.

I'm going between looking at the 7870 XT, 7950 and 660 Ti, but is there any major advantage in getting a model of one of those cards with 3 GB of memory as opposed to 2GB? Or should I just say to hell with my budget and splurge on a 770 gtx 4GB? AMD isn't coming out with anything new until much later this year, correct?
 
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kennah

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Jibbajabbawockky said:
If I'm in the market for a new GPU right now (upgrading from a 5770) and I want something with a little staying power, should I be concerned that most cards only have 2GB of memory in light of the nextgen consoles? Or is that really nothing to be concerned with? I'm just wondering if nextgen console ports end up being unoptimized messes on PC due in part to things like that.

I'm going between looking at the 7870 XT, 7950 and 660 Ti, but is there any major advantage in getting a model of one of those cards with 3 GB of memory as opposed to 2GB? Or should I just say to hell with my budget and splurge on a 770 gtx 4GB? AMD isn't coming out with anything new until much later this year, correct?
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We won't know until it happens. As with anything in PC gaming - don't worry about things lasting forever. There is no Future Proof. Your best bet is to spend a little amount and then be prepared to upgrade in a couple years. There are lots of good deals on used 670s and 680s right now. Spend 200-300 on a decent GPU and then see what happens.
 
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kennah said:
We won't know until it happens. As with anything in PC gaming - don't worry about things lasting forever. There is no Future Proof. Your best bet is to spend a little amount and then be prepared to upgrade in a couple years. There are lots of good deals on used 670s and 680s right now. Spend 200-300 on a decent GPU and then see what happens.
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Are there any specialist sites for used computer components?
 
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memecomplex

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Whiteshirt said:
A quick question but how is SLI compatibility these days? Since I can't find any GTX770s with a reference style cooler, I'm thinking of biting the bullet and choosing GTX670 SLI or a single GTX780. I need CUDA so AMD isn't an option, unfortunately.
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Compatibility is good, but if you're concerned with latency and animation smoothness without VSync, avoid SLI/current multi-GPU tech.
 
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kennah

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Baleoce said:
Are there any specialist sites for used computer components?
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Keep an eye on GAF. There was a 670 listed yesterday for $250. Overclock.net has a good for sale forum. I think hardocp does as well but I'm not personally experienced in that one. Local listings can work too
 
Azzurri

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Man, I forgot how loud and hot my GTX 580 gets. Was playing some game for a bit and my room got so hot, and this is with my AC at 68f.
 
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TouchMyBox

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Anybody ever seen a rear-panel one can buy to plug into the front-panel audio jack on one's motherboard?

I'd like to use the FP audio but not have to connect my headphones to the front of my computer which makes the cable too short and looks ugly.
 
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InternHertz

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InternHertz said:
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI Z87 MPOWER ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($163.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.58 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Super Flower Golden Silent Fanless 500w (OC-able to 600w)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
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I'm quoting myself with updated lines on what I'd like (bolded ones obviously).
Only two things not listed here are a Watercooling kit for the CPU, and for the GPU. Still trying to figure out how to best do things. I also have to see if/how WC is compatible with that MB.
 
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InternHertz said:
I'm quoting myself with updated lines on what I'd like (bolded ones obviously).
Only two things not listed here are a Watercooling kit for the CPU, and for the GPU. Still trying to figure out how to best do things. I also have to see if/how WC is compatible with that MB.
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How the hell is your memory so expensive? I can't seem to find a reason to pay such price for 1600@1.5v.

Please look for a better deal, you easily find even the same model memory for 30 dollars less.
 
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InternHertz

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Tomas said:
How the hell is your memory so expensive? I can't seem to find a reason to pay such price for 1600@1.5v.

Please look for a better deal, you easily find even the same model memory for 30 dollars less.
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Oh don't sweat about the price, I'm not even sure I'll be able to get parts in dollars.
I'm just setting this to see which parts I want, not really how much it costs ^^
 
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Infinite Justice

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flotsam said:
Well, it's been a long day but I got there eventually and you can't beat that feeling when you first press that power button and you see the BIOS load correctly...

In the end the cable management was a dream and the whole system is incredibly quiet, meaning that I'm going to bed a happy chappy.

I did a quick check with RealTemp and I'm getting idle temperatures around 28-31 so it looks like the heatsink and thermal compound application went as well as can be expected. More testing tomorrow under load.

Lots more to do on the software side tomorrow but today has been thorougly enjoyable and I urge anyone who is undecided on whether or not to build their own system to go ahead and give it a shot!
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Glad to see you got your case issue sorted out and 2 thumbs up on the build
 
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GhostRidah

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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone in here that helped me finalize this build.

CPU - Intel Core i7-4770K
Motherboard - ASUS Z87 PRO
CPU Fan - PHANTEKS PH-TC14PE
GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX770
Memory - Corsair Vengeance 16GB
Storage - Samsung 840 Pro 256gb
Storage - Seagate Barracuda 3 TB
PSU - CORSAIR HX Series HX750
Burner - ASUS 24X DVD Burner
Case - Fractal Design Define R4

I might end up adding another 770 this winter or just getting whatever new 4g card that's out at the time.
 
Baleoce

Baleoce

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GhostRidah said:
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone in here that helped me finalize this build.

CPU - Intel Core i7-4770K
Motherboard - ASUS Z87 PRO
CPU Fan - PHANTEKS PH-TC14PE
GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX770
Memory - Corsair Vengeance 16GB
Storage - Samsung 840 Pro 256gb
Storage - Seagate Barracuda 3 TB
PSU - CORSAIR HX Series HX750
Burner - ASUS 24X DVD Burner
Case - Fractal Design Define R4

I might end up adding another 770 this winter or just getting whatever new 4g card that's out at the time.
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Very nice rig indeed.
 
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theSlacker

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Baleoce said:
Are there any decent Mice that are tailored towards MMOs?
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I tend not to like the ones with the numbered buttons on the side, but they may work well. I prefer the g700 for mmos. It's imperfect sensor doesn't mater as much there (none of the mice with a ton of buttons have a perfect sensor), and all the extra buttons are where you would normally keep your fingers. 4 by the thumb, 3 by the pointer finger, then tilting the wheel to the left and right as well as pushing down. One more button behind the scroll locking button as well.
 
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Colin.

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Can someone tell me their system on dealing with unused PSU cables? The cables are currently just rolled up at the bottom, which doesn't look all that great. I was thinking of just putting them to the back of the case with the rest of the cables and hold them together with a cable tie, but more ideas on placement would certainly help. I've seen some suggestions online about just cutting them off which seems insane to me.
 
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InternHertz said:
I'm quoting myself with updated lines on what I'd like (bolded ones obviously).
Only two things not listed here are a Watercooling kit for the CPU, and for the GPU. Still trying to figure out how to best do things. I also have to see if/how WC is compatible with that MB.
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For WC you can make things as crazy as you want, so maybe you should elaborate a bit more on what you want from a WC loop and what your budget for it is.
 
GHG

GHG

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Irobot82 said:
Let me eat crow then, I could have sworn the Prototype 2 driver were the 13.6 betas. My bad, I must have got some wires crossed somewhere.

So...soon AMD dual gpu's will be fixed.

This is the article
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Looks great. Fantastic news that its actually improving as they said it would. Now add downsampling capability without that silly hack and you'll have me interested again AMD.

Meanwhile on the AMD CPU side, this has just surfaced...:

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http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/17101-amd-forbereder-fx-9000-pa-upp-till-50-ghz

220 watts TDP says that is going to be one hot running chip.
 
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GHG said:
Looks great. Fantastic news that its actually improving as they said it would. Now add downsampling capability without that silly hack and you'll have me interested again AMD.

Meanwhile on the AMD CPU side, this has just surfaced...:

900x900px-LL-3ea54657_2gtx1zl.png


http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/17101-amd-forbereder-fx-9000-pa-upp-till-50-ghz

220 watts TDP says that is going to be one hot running chip.
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I would get the steamroller version of the 9000 if it delivers 30% improvement IPC for 8 independent cores. As a console port/comfy couch HTPC anyway.
 
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InternHertz

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Mad Max said:
For WC you can make things as crazy as you want, so maybe you should elaborate a bit more on what you want from a WC loop and what your budget for it is.
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Problem is, I really start getting into WC so I don't know a lot yet. I know I want to cool the CPU and the GPU because they gave me trouble on a heat standpoint before and it's something I want to minimize.

Budget is approx....I don't know, I need to see how much it'd cost for multiple solutions. Of course I wouldn't spend 500€ on this, but I could spend a bit.
 
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knitoe

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Colin. said:
Can someone tell me their system on dealing with unused PSU cables? The cables are currently just rolled up at the bottom, which doesn't look all that great. I was thinking of just putting them to the back of the case with the rest of the cables and hold them together with a cable tie, but more ideas on placement would certainly help. I've seen some suggestions online about just cutting them off which seems insane to me.
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If you case have cable routing holes, you can just route them behind the MB. If your case doesn't, the best option is get a case that does.
 
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Colin.

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knitoe said:
If you case have cable routing holes, you can just route them behind the MB. If your case doesn't, the best option is get a case that does.
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Yeah, that's what I meant by putting them at the back. But I'm not sure about where to put the ends, since they wouldn't be used anywhere.
 
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knitoe

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Colin. said:
Yeah, that's what I meant by putting them at the back. But I'm not sure about where to put the ends, since they wouldn't be used anywhere.
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The ends can just be hanging freely unseen behind the MB. They won't cause any issues staying there.
 
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HammerOfThor

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So has anyone with Win8 had any trouble getting their computer to sleep?

I set my sleep timer to be just 1 minute to see if it will go to sleep, and it just stays on. I went into my BIOS(z87-GD65) to see if there is any setting and nothing. I want to download games and do backups but I don't need my computer constantly running. I even tried running an energy report and got no errors that would cause my PC to not sleep.

Anyone experience this before?
 
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See You Next Wednesday

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So gaf is there any good gaming low profile cards?
I need a PCI Express® 2.0 x16 slot (low-profile) card for the living room PC.

Any benchmarks of the best ones out?
I was thinking of a card under $100 if possible.
 
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Ty4on

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GHG said:
Looks great. Fantastic news that its actually improving as they said it would. Now add downsampling capability without that silly hack and you'll have me interested again AMD.

Meanwhile on the AMD CPU side, this has just surfaced...:

900x900px-LL-3ea54657_2gtx1zl.png


http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/17101-amd-forbereder-fx-9000-pa-upp-till-50-ghz

220 watts TDP says that is going to be one hot running chip.
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I was impressed at the A10 6800k doing 4.7 on the stock cooler in reviews (!), but that's insane! Has there ever been a consumer CPU with a TDP of 220? I think P4 had a max of 150, but I wasn't into tech then. Still knew AMD were better back then :p
Looking at 8350 overclocking headroom though I doubt these would be able to go much higher than boost, but it does give a bit of hope to AMD going forward now that Intel basically wants you to go for 2011 or the same performance as last year.

Makes you think what Intel could do with a square dies designed for desktops without toothpaste and a higher TDP.
 
Baleoce

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theSlacker said:
I tend not to like the ones with the numbered buttons on the side, but they may work well. I prefer the g700 for mmos. It's imperfect sensor doesn't mater as much there (none of the mice with a ton of buttons have a perfect sensor), and all the extra buttons are where you would normally keep your fingers. 4 by the thumb, 3 by the pointer finger, then tilting the wheel to the left and right as well as pushing down. One more button behind the scroll locking button as well.
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Nice. I do like that the buttons are broken up and not all together. Might look into this :D
 
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IcyRhythms

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Has anyone here that were big Intel guys for awhile recently made the switch to an 8350 or are waiting for 9000?

Do you couple it with NVIDIA GPU or keep it in the family with AMD GPUs?

I've considered the 8 core for awhile now as I feel it will more than set me well enough through the entire next generation of gaming.(especially knowing what we know now about XB1 and PS4)

Couple it with a 780 or something and be golden. Hell, I really don't feel the need to upgrade my 2600K. I've just wanted to try AMD latest CPUs is all.
 
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