The $470 model with the HDMI/DP inputs is advertised as a perfect panel with no dead pixels or non-uniform backlight bleeding. It also has DVI-DL input so you can still get low lag.
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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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And you'll not be finding one of those any time soon. What I would suggest is sticking with the 6300 (or even the 6350 if there is little in it), getting a slightly better mobo along with a hyper 212 cooler and overclocking the AMD FX chip to overcome its slightly weaker per thread performance.
Motherboard wise you could change to a Gigabyte UD3, MSI GD55 (price should be similar to that ASUS and it'd be a 990 board), MSI GD80 or the Asus M5A99X Evo R2.0
An Intel i5, be it the 2500K or 3570K, will offer stronger Dolphin performance however especially when you overclock them.
Whiteshirt
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Thats not how input lag works. The multi input models should exhibit more lag than the purely single input models no matter which port you choose because it actually has electronics to handle input change amongst other processing. There isn't any game mode as far as I know.
Also, all IPS monitors typically exhibit uneven brightness and backlight bleed amongst other annoying faults. How much you get varies from panel to panel. The difference is that A+ vendors like Dell may let you return the product for such reasons.
FX-6350 is the same price as FX-8300 (component pricing is really weird where I live) i.e. ~30$ more expensive so I guess a FX-8300 would be my best option if I tried to beef up the processor a bit. Will look into the possibilities of overclocking that cpu.
The price difference between the mb in the package and the first two mb:s you mentioned is marginal so switching to one of them wouldn't be an issue.
so.....
Finally got round to ordering mine. had to make some sacrifices I did not really want to as the Wife got wind, and that was that....
In the end I went with the below list, sacrifices I made which I did not really want to was dropping the h80i water cooler (so there goes overclocking) and getting the best PSU I could find for a good price.
so Partpicker gave me a price of £700, but that was using companies other than Amazon etc, so it would of ended up more... just using amazon would of been £740..
PCspecialist gave me a quote of £827 but obviously I get a whole year of collect and return of warranty with that plus they build and test
so I gave them the nod, was it the right decision over a self build, not sure... a toss of a coin, my decison came down to the fact I would of wanted to use Amazon as their service/returns are eons better than Aria, Dabs, Ebuyer which part picker was giving me for the cheapest...
Will add photos once it arrives
FRACTAL DEFINE R4 BLACK PEARL QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Corei5 Quad Core Processor i5-4670K (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® Z87-A: ATX, USB2.0, USB3.0, SATA6GB/S, SLi, XFIRE
Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)
Graphics Card
INTEGRATED GRAPHICS ACCELERATOR (GPU)
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
120GB KINGSTON V300 SSD, SATA 6 Gb (450MB/R, 450MB/W)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1002FAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
650W FSP RAIDER SERIES RA-650 80 PLUS® BRONZE (£59)
Processor Cooling
Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler (£19)
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence (£79)
Finally got round to ordering mine. had to make some sacrifices I did not really want to as the Wife got wind, and that was that....
In the end I went with the below list, sacrifices I made which I did not really want to was dropping the h80i water cooler (so there goes overclocking) and getting the best PSU I could find for a good price.
so Partpicker gave me a price of £700, but that was using companies other than Amazon etc, so it would of ended up more... just using amazon would of been £740..
PCspecialist gave me a quote of £827 but obviously I get a whole year of collect and return of warranty with that plus they build and test
so I gave them the nod, was it the right decision over a self build, not sure... a toss of a coin, my decison came down to the fact I would of wanted to use Amazon as their service/returns are eons better than Aria, Dabs, Ebuyer which part picker was giving me for the cheapest...
Will add photos once it arrives
FRACTAL DEFINE R4 BLACK PEARL QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Corei5 Quad Core Processor i5-4670K (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® Z87-A: ATX, USB2.0, USB3.0, SATA6GB/S, SLi, XFIRE
Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)
Graphics Card
INTEGRATED GRAPHICS ACCELERATOR (GPU)
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
120GB KINGSTON V300 SSD, SATA 6 Gb (450MB/R, 450MB/W)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1002FAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
650W FSP RAIDER SERIES RA-650 80 PLUS® BRONZE (£59)
Processor Cooling
Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler (£19)
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence (£79)
theytookourjobz
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My dir655 router is starting to suck. Bad coverage in pretty much any rooms besides the one it's in. Can anyone recommend me a good wireless router? Running Ethernet cables isn't an option.
Thanks in advance pcgaf.
Thanks in advance pcgaf.
It is not "slightly weaker" per a thread performance, it is massively weaker per a thread performance.
AMD CPUs are hugely worst for programs like PCSX2 and overclocking will make them pull a lot more power and make much more heat than an Intel CPU.
Horse Armour
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Amazon don't sell any Haswell stuff, only third party retailers do so they were out of the equation anyway.
I love my bipac 7800n
it is rock solid, but expensive circa £100
However they have just released the new version of the 7800n the 7800DXL
Price range? AC, N and/or G speeds?
theytookourjobz
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TBH I don't even know the difference.
CreepingFear
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So I ordered that 2 TB HDD for $80 along with the Data Vac ED500, Noctua NT-H1 Thermal Compound, and some zip ties for cable management. Not as exciting as a new graphics card or cpu lol
Pssssssh. Shit bro that DataVac is OFF THE CHAIN!
8350 isn't too bad with PCSX2. Looking on their forums you're talking 72fps (using FFX-2 as a benchmark) out of it when OC'd which isn't bad. True not as good as an i5 3570K when OC'd is getting about 90 but still not bad either.
Price will be the key, and for Kamaji even a used 2500K is apparently too much. Intel is the better option when you can afford it but the only alternative to the FX 6300 at that sort of price range is the i3 3220, and even then you can get the FX 8350 for practically the same price as the FX 6300. It's not a bad CPU by any means. Yes it's not as good as an i5 but it's far from bad.
You know what sucks about 120Hz / 144Hz monitors? 60 fps becoming the new 30 fps. Feeling a twinge of disappointment when you hear a developer excitedly announce that their PC port is going to be 60 fps locked, and realizing that they might mean it's really limited to <= 60fps..
I agree, although it isn't quite as bad as going down to 30 fps. Most games usually have the option to unlock the frame rate either by simply disabling Vsync or editing an .ini file. The issues that concern me are when the engine itself is built around a target fps, in which case when unlocked causes certain game features/mechanics to break. (ie. Skyrim)
CreepingFear
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No more cold cans of compressed air. It should be a good investment considering how often I dust my computer to keep temps cool.
Yep that's it I think.
I guess that solves the giant-PSU issue that the itx Prodigy had. Also, Bitfenix and Silverstone seem to be the only two companies that recognize that people using SFF boards probably don't need space for eight drive bays in a SFF case. Everyone else just does their whole "same-as-our-ATX-model-but-two-inches-shorter" thing.
Terbinator
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Asus N66U.
I wouldn't bother myself. Unless you're benching you'll struggle to notice the difference in day to day use.
Avoid Newegg if you can for HDD's... they just don't pack them as well as the should IMO.
I guess so. Only the write speed takes a hit, but apart from the occasional install, I wont really be demanding that much from it. I don't edit videos or anything, so I'm not too reliant on writing speed. I could of got the 128gb pro for £20 less, but that just seemed too small.
CreepingFear
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Too late. I have purchased drives from them before. They were wrapped in bubble wrap. Not exactly well packed like an apple product, but well enough that they weren't damaged.
overclock your cpu and upgrade your gpu. Could upgrade your CPU to an FX 83xx but depends on what you use your pc for. Might just be as well waiting for steamroller when it comes around if you feel your Phenom isn't holding you back much. If you're happy with it i would definitely look to OC it.
if you've the cash you could also do a rebuild with Intel.
edit - is that phenom ddr2?
It sure is DDR2.
ah then disregard what i said. Rebuild is probably the best option.
minasodaboy
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Help! My Intel ssdsa2cw080G3 will not boot. I came back to work with the computer locked oveer the weekend and asleep and got the following message:
"Reboot and Select proper Boot device"
However, when I go to select the boot device upon restart, the drive doesn't show up as an option. It does still show up in the bios as existing, just not when it tries to boot? Isn't this a known issue? I'm having trouble figuring out what to do though. I'm running Win 7-64bit with an i7-2600k and another 1.5TB WD HDD if that matters.
Thanks for any insight!
UPDATE: It does now show up as a boot device, but still gives me the same error when I select it.
"Reboot and Select proper Boot device"
However, when I go to select the boot device upon restart, the drive doesn't show up as an option. It does still show up in the bios as existing, just not when it tries to boot? Isn't this a known issue? I'm having trouble figuring out what to do though. I'm running Win 7-64bit with an i7-2600k and another 1.5TB WD HDD if that matters.
Thanks for any insight!
UPDATE: It does now show up as a boot device, but still gives me the same error when I select it.
you'd have to go used for the RAM, and even then DDR2 can be expensive. Upgrade the GPU maybe but I wouldn't put much more money into that PC.
Do you have a 64bit OS? Either way the extra 2 gig of DDR2 wouldn't really make much of a difference in anything.
Slightly? We are talking about 50% higher single threaded performance with Ivy cores.
Difference between the 3570k and 3770k is strange. Either way the 8350 turbos to 4.2 while 8320 to 4.0 and the two k series to 3.8 and 3.9. If you dare delid Ivy it will overclock to 5Ghz as well with a good cooler.
Piledriver performance is getting better, but when it's bad it's baaaad.
Dolphin really likes single threaded performance and a 70-90fps difference can be pretty big.
Rumor - 320.18 Drivers killing GPUs
http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.UbYM9vmG3zx
http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.UbYM9vmG3zx
I thought we had talked about this.
Until someone uses FCAT with emulators it's all I gots.
You can get some 8350s to 5GHz too, and without de-lidding. Not that it matters when you get up to that sort of point anyway.
I shouldn't have said slightly weaker single threaded I hindsight but I stand by the option of going AMD. Budgetary constraints are basically giving the choice here of an 8350 + 7950 or a used 2500K + 650 Ti. The 8350 is a capable CPU and should be fine for most of what he wants. If he's big into Starcraft II and purely single threaded programs sure go Intel but for this budget I see AMD as the better option. It's all contextual, Intel > AMD in most stuff but here I wouldn't.
Not the first time this has happened either. And yet people still give AMD shit for their drivers...
Caused some annoyance for me personally, since I ended up stuck with my friend's GTX550 Ti over the weekend because he ran into issues after updating to 320.18, including bluescreens and losing connection to the display. I gave him my card while I tested his. FWIW, I only had one hard lock-up while using the 550Ti with 320.18 over about three days.
More to the point, I don't see how the drivers could actually "kill" the card, unless it somehow applied massive overvoltage and/or did something strange to the fan profiles, which from the temps I saw, didn't seem likely.
It's this one
http://winnipeg.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Benq-XL24010t-LED-24-Screen-W0QQAdIdZ493093608
Has to be better than the 60hz 22" LG I've been using since 2009
It's just a rumor at this point, but wanted to get it out there.
Depends on the hardware inside. Ideally, one fan in the front, one in the rear. That is the most quiet
lostsupper
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I'm building in a R4 case. What are my best options for high airflow fans? Noise is not really an issue.
I asked this some months ago while building in a Define Mini. I went with the Scythe gt-15 that were recommended and was very happy. Is this still the way to go? Aesthetically, I like the Corsair SP120 high performance, but have no idea if they're any good.
I asked this some months ago while building in a Define Mini. I went with the Scythe gt-15 that were recommended and was very happy. Is this still the way to go? Aesthetically, I like the Corsair SP120 high performance, but have no idea if they're any good.
Wow, I have been having these problems in BF3 on my gtx 670... I better revert back to older drivers. Hopefully my video card is not damaged... I'm not sure why people give ATI such a hard time on their drivers when it seems like I have always had more problems on Nvidia cards.
AliceInJam
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Hey guys, I am in need of a little help. I just put together my first pc but I am having some trouble on boot up. Here's the run down of what I have done. My very first boot up everything went fine, I got the error message saying there was no os installed and such, so then I powered down via the power button and booted back up again and nothing....no bios screen, nothing. No signal whatsoever to my monitor. I have tried removing the ram, and putting it back in. I tried different video connections, dvi, hdmi and no luck. When I turn it on the fans are going and it seems to be powered on. I just don't know why it would boot normally one time then stop. Any suggestions?? This is super frustrating.
Anyone have any experience building with a Fractal Design Node 304 case? Is it realistic to expect to fit a large dual slot video card in there? I see that the specs recommend a PSU no longer than 160mm, and my Seasonic M12II 520w is exactly 160mm which doesn't give me a lot of wiggle room.
I know the Bitfenix prodigy has more space inside but I plan to sit an audio interface on top of the case and the handle gets in the way of that.
I know the Bitfenix prodigy has more space inside but I plan to sit an audio interface on top of the case and the handle gets in the way of that.
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