The only advantage of DDR4 is that it requires less energy.
The only real reason to buy it is that you need to in order to feed your Haswell-E
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The only real reason to buy it is that you need to in order to feed your Haswell-E
Only people in Europe were getting their Swifts. North America branch is waiting on shipments at the end of August. The price was originally going to be $800 in the US but Asus dropped it.
If the US price will be $650, the European price better drop too. I might end up buying the Swift after all...
CouchMaster
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One of my friends from another forum says he has inside information about 870 and 880 performance and price, and that he's 90% sure that's what it'll be in final product. He says they're aggressively priced this time and power/perf ratio is the best part about them. The 870 is actually star of the show, outperforming 290x and only slightly below 780ti without breaking your bank.
Can't confirm it so take it with grain of salt.
Can't confirm it so take it with grain of salt.
madjackal
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Hey pcgaf, I want to try and build a pc for the first time. I plan on using it as an emulator box hooked up to my tv for just about everything including dolphin and pcsx2. I've been going over the build sheets in the OP, what would be a good starting point for my intended use? "Good", "Great", "Excellent"? I probably won't follow the builds exactly but it'd help if I started in the right direction. Thanks
Budget? Formfactor? Build date? Full out the survey in the op.
Basically for emulation you want a 4690k and z97 motherboard to build from.
Holy crap, those timings are terrible.
The DDR3 would probably be faster because it'd have lower timings. In practice you probably wouldn't notice a difference though.
madjackal
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I'd like to try and keep it under $1000. Formfactor doesn't really matter, I have plenty of space. I'm not in any rush so I can take my time getting parts. I also don't plan on overclocking, I just need it to run emulators smoothly in 1080p/60.
lostsupper
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Which emulators? This will likely require overclocking.
I'm still having cold boot problems guys. I turn my system on, the fans start spinning and it starts making noise. But then everything shuts off and the system restarts and this message appears:
After this the OS loads normally and everything is going fine. I don't have cold boot issues everytime I power up though. It seems random.
I guess it could be a voltage issue, but I've tested my setups with OCCT and Prime95 and they all pass. My multiplier is 37 and Vcore 1.200. What can I do, GAF?
Edit: I've flashed my BIOS too already.
I used to get that message sometimes. My graphics drivers were wonky and every time I tried to update them, the PC would shut off then show that message (mines overclocked at 42x). Is there anything that might be causing your PC to shut off? Mine were nVidia drivers
Timings stopped being overly important with DDR3. It's all about bandwidth now.
Sounds exactly like the Kepler release. 670 was a God.
Got a pc issue. Over the last day or so my USB ports have been turning off. The computer itself is up and running but I cannot do anything with it since kbm is via usb. So right now it's working fine. I boot up the computer, everything works, and then at some point the usb devices show no power to them.
Anyone know of a cause/fix to this?
Anyone know of a cause/fix to this?
madjackal
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Dolphin and pcsx2 would probably be the most resource intensive, but I'd like pcsx and yabause to run well too. Is there any way to get good performance on these without overclocking?
Felix Lighter
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It can't happen soon enough. The earlier in the fall, the more games I experience for the first time in 2560x1440 @120/144fps. I have yet to touch GTA V.
Sure, but you have basically nothing to lose by overclocking. No reason to fear it.
Also, last pics I'll post for a bit, but Smoke da Don, did you see this full board block?
Yeah just saw it a OCN. Looks dope as hell. Is there really any reason to do a full board block other than you can?
Massdrop becoming my #1 favorite store.
Noppoo Choc Mini - $90 - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-mini
Noppoo Choc Mini Wireless - $105 - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-wireless
But, if you want to rationalize it, then X79 does get quite a bit warmer than consumer socket boards when overclocking, so motherboard blocks aren't a total waste by any means. At that point you can pretty much do without a fan anywhere near the motherboard.
Noppoo Choc Mini - $90 - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-mini
Noppoo Choc Mini Wireless - $105 - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-wireless
Says the guy with three Titan Blacks. You crack me up
But, if you want to rationalize it, then X79 does get quite a bit warmer than consumer socket boards when overclocking, so motherboard blocks aren't a total waste by any means. At that point you can pretty much do without a fan anywhere near the motherboard.
madjackal
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So a z97 and 4690k, and I'm thinking at least 8gb ram, possibly 16. What would be a good gpu to consider?
Says the guy with three Titan Blacks. You crack me up
But, if you want to rationalize it, then X79 does get quite a bit warmer than consumer socket boards when overclocking, so motherboard blocks aren't a total waste by any means. At that point you can pretty much do without a fan anywhere near the motherboard.
I want to be able to hold max settings at whatever resolution or refresh rate I decide when waking up that morning. From 4k to 144hz. 3 Titans justified!
Unlike multiple GPUs in a system I dont think I've ever seen a full block in a build out in the wild.
Anything would do if you're playing emulators. The best value would be the R9-270X, GTX 760, and R9-290.
If you're seriously not looking to run intensive PC games and ports over the next 4 years, you might consider the Intel Pentium Anniversary Edition. It's $75 and would run emulators just as well as an overclocked 4670K/4690K.
780 Ti says hi. 6GB 780 does too. And 290X.
Only one I've seen is a full board block on an ITX board.
I can tell you that the plumbing I did on the RIVE build of my friend's was a total bitch. Having two ports for the entire board is amazing in and of itself.
lostsupper
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Performance scales with clock speed. Overclocking is easy to learn.
CreepingFear
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Well, I nuked my machine and re-installed windows. Let's hope that fixes my issues, or I have hardware problems. I found a method to install Windows 8.1 with my Windows 8 key, so that was nice not have to install 8 and then have to install 8.1. Did reinstalling Windows help you out with your problem Smokey?
Edit: That didn't take long. Guess a clean windows install did not help. Damn, I think it's either a power issue or my gpu.
Edit: That didn't take long. Guess a clean windows install did not help. Damn, I think it's either a power issue or my gpu.
*sigh* (feel feel to skip straight to the bottom for advice request, this is just all just venting/context) Howdy PC-GAF. last night my ~5 year old rig died. Well, it might just be comatose but I'm pulling the plug. Bluescreens during windows boot. I've had plenty of issues with it over the past 6 months, had to replace my entire cooling solution and a hard drive, and those repairs didn't exactly go smoothly (up to and including having to get my brother-in-law to dremel a mounting bracket to fit a new heatsink because the one specific to my mobo wasn't sold new anymore, to give you an idea of the lengths I've gone to in keeping the thing running). Honestly, I haven't even been unhappy with its performance at all but screw it. I don't have the patience for any more troubleshooting with it, the CPU/motherboard are bottlenecking me, and I'm going to use this opportunity for an upgrade to something closer to cutting-edge.
I know this next point will be frowned upon a bit, but I really don't think I have it in me to start from scratch in my current living situation. I've done it once before and (even knowing how much easier it has all become since) my tiny completely carpeted apartment with no real workspace and a rambunctious dog and cat won't cut it, which means doing the build at my sister's place, and if there wind up being any issues.. and considering my luck with hardware... could wind up taking way longer than I'm willing to devote to this. At this point I'm happy to pay a bit of a premium to not have to see a tube of thermal paste to get back up and running.
If possible I'd like to take the good new parts I've got and get an assembled barebones kit for the rest. Having a working rig ASAP is a priority here. I have a 780SC and a Crucial M500 480GB (with a pretty darn fresh Windows 7 installation on it), and the extra bits like a PCI LAN card, extra case fans, etc., to keep and use. I'll need everything else from case on up. Besides GPUs and SSDs I've totally lost track of the market for hardware so I have no idea where the value sweet spot is for the situation I'm in.
I hit up Tigerdirect and this caught my eye: i5-4690/16GB kit - $850 (comes with case, PSU, 512GB SSD, CPU, RAM, liquid cooler) This is the basic upper bound of the budget I had in mind for this.
Venerable masters of GAF, if anyone could have a quick look at that link and answer any of the following:
Most graciously yours,
Hawkian
I know this next point will be frowned upon a bit, but I really don't think I have it in me to start from scratch in my current living situation. I've done it once before and (even knowing how much easier it has all become since) my tiny completely carpeted apartment with no real workspace and a rambunctious dog and cat won't cut it, which means doing the build at my sister's place, and if there wind up being any issues.. and considering my luck with hardware... could wind up taking way longer than I'm willing to devote to this. At this point I'm happy to pay a bit of a premium to not have to see a tube of thermal paste to get back up and running.
If possible I'd like to take the good new parts I've got and get an assembled barebones kit for the rest. Having a working rig ASAP is a priority here. I have a 780SC and a Crucial M500 480GB (with a pretty darn fresh Windows 7 installation on it), and the extra bits like a PCI LAN card, extra case fans, etc., to keep and use. I'll need everything else from case on up. Besides GPUs and SSDs I've totally lost track of the market for hardware so I have no idea where the value sweet spot is for the situation I'm in.
I hit up Tigerdirect and this caught my eye: i5-4690/16GB kit - $850 (comes with case, PSU, 512GB SSD, CPU, RAM, liquid cooler) This is the basic upper bound of the budget I had in mind for this.
Venerable masters of GAF, if anyone could have a quick look at that link and answer any of the following:
- Is it a good deal? If it's overpriced, by how much and what component is it that's not worth the money?
- How much of a performance difference does that processor yield over my i7-940 at 3GHZ?
- I'm kinda wary of liquid cooling since my last experience with it eventually resulted in a complete system failure. However this cooler (Corsair Hydro Series H75) is a good bit better-reviewed than my old one was. Anyone have experience with it?
- OC potential?
- Lastly, at the risk of sounding dumb as hell, when you buy from Tigerdirect like is the kit.. put together? PSU cables hooked up, cooling solution affixed, etc? It's not just the parts in a cardboard box, right? I'd like to be able to pop in my GPU, boot SSD and LAN cards, plug it in and turn on my new gaming PC. Is that too much to hope for? *fingers crossed*
Most graciously yours,
Hawkian
PlayALLtheGames
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Don't need a new PC but just got one of the LG ultrawide 34" monitors at work (http://www.lg.com/us/ultrawide-monitors) and I'll vouch for this thing if anyone is considering getting one. After using it I'm considering selling my Dell 30" at home and replacing with this.
Picture quality is excellent and I'm lucky enough to have a laptop with a solid dedicated GPU to take advantage. Design is amazing, it's mountable, and 3840x1440 gaming must be sweet. I want to bring in my desktop to see my modded Skyrim on this thing.
Picture quality is excellent and I'm lucky enough to have a laptop with a solid dedicated GPU to take advantage. Design is amazing, it's mountable, and 3840x1440 gaming must be sweet. I want to bring in my desktop to see my modded Skyrim on this thing.
Hawk269
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Also, last pics I'll post for a bit, but Smoke da Don, did you see this full board block?
Nice. I would want the acrylic part over the CPU, but the black part over the rest of the board.
No, that does not come pre-assembled.
I'd be more than happy to build you something and ship it to you though. Without GPU, there's no worries in terms of parts breaking or whathaveyou.
If you're in the Pac NW, I could hand deliver it to you.
They're making four variants. The two pictured, the one as you describe it, and then the black acrylic section with a nickel SB section.
puffyshirt
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Dayum, wish I didn't live in Vancouver!
Vancouver, CA?
NCIX can pre assemble a selection for you. Let me whip something up on PCPartPicker.
Otherwise, if you feel like driving south, we could meet somewhere near Seattle.
The case and PSU in there are things I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.*sigh* (feel feel to skip straight to the bottom for advice request, this is just all just venting/context) Howdy PC-GAF. last night my ~5 year old rig died. Well, it might just be comatose but I'm pulling the plug. Bluescreens during windows boot. I've had plenty of issues with it over the past 6 months, had to replace my entire cooling solution and a hard drive, and those repairs didn't exactly go smoothly (up to and including having to get my brother-in-law to dremel a mounting bracket to fit a new heatsink because the one specific to my mobo wasn't sold new anymore, to give you an idea of the lengths I've gone to in keeping the thing running). Honestly, I haven't even been unhappy with its performance at all but screw it. I don't have the patience for any more troubleshooting with it, the CPU/motherboard are bottlenecking me, and I'm going to use this opportunity for an upgrade to something closer to cutting-edge.
I know this next point will be frowned upon a bit, but I really don't think I have it in me to start from scratch in my current living situation. I've done it once before and (even knowing how much easier it has all become since) my tiny completely carpeted apartment with no real workspace and a rambunctious dog and cat won't cut it, which means doing the build at my sister's place, and if there wind up being any issues.. and considering my luck with hardware... could wind up taking way longer than I'm willing to devote to this. At this point I'm happy to pay a bit of a premium to not have to see a tube of thermal paste to get back up and running.
If possible I'd like to take the good new parts I've got and get an assembled barebones kit for the rest. Having a working rig ASAP is a priority here. I have a 780SC and a Crucial M500 480GB (with a pretty darn fresh Windows 7 installation on it), and the extra bits like a PCI LAN card, extra case fans, etc., to keep and use. I'll need everything else from case on up. Besides GPUs and SSDs I've totally lost track of the market for hardware so I have no idea where the value sweet spot is for the situation I'm in.
I hit up Tigerdirect and this caught my eye: i5-4690/16GB kit - $850 (comes with case, PSU, 512GB SSD, CPU, RAM, liquid cooler) This is the basic upper bound of the budget I had in mind for this.
Venerable masters of GAF, if anyone could have a quick look at that link and answer any of the following:
- Is it a good deal? If it's overpriced, by how much and what component is it that's not worth the money?
- How much of a performance difference does that processor yield over my i7-940 at 3GHZ?
- I'm kinda wary of liquid cooling since my last experience with it eventually resulted in a complete system failure. However this cooler (Corsair Hydro Series H75) is a good bit better-reviewed than my old one was. Anyone have experience with it?
- OC potential?
- Lastly, at the risk of sounding dumb as hell, when you buy from Tigerdirect like is the kit.. put together? PSU cables hooked up, cooling solution affixed, etc? It's not just the parts in a cardboard box, right?
Most graciously yours,
Hawkian
Given that you already have a few handy bits, I'd want to nudge you towards building yourself and saving a bunch of money - perhaps tempting you with this part list?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($142.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $682.92
puffyshirt
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I'm way past that, but thanks! I have parts coming from NCIX, Future SHop, and here on GAF haha. I'm actually waiting on a reply from NCIX right now to pick up my order. I was waiting on a part on back order, but now it says in stock, so I emailed them. DOn't want to go out of my way unless it's there.
madjackal
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Bit of a specific question, but does anyone know how much louder a Fractal R4 case is with a side panel vs windowed? Mine doesn't have one and it's got the sound dampening foam on it, but I'm tempted to spend £15 and get a window panel for it (despite the tower being hidden under my desk).
flyinpiranha
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What's a good cooler for an i5-3570k, I plan to OC to about 4.3/4.5 range? I don't "think" space is an issue, but I didn't really think about an OC until I got my R9 290 Windforce OC boat pulled into the dock, now I want the CPU to get beefed up a bit.
Rats.
That's an incredibly generous offer, thank you. Tragically, I'm in south florida
I assume that the shipping cost for the assembled kit would add considerably to the cost... time is also a real factor here, I'm out a working PC. But I'd deeeefinitely be interested in theory at least, if you could give me an idea of total cost.Hmmm, thank you. I'm definitely not completely ruling out building from scratch, but... I'm just considering it a last resort. If a single thing goes wrong during the build I'll pretty much lose it.
Considering the kit from tigerdirect includes a MX100, which at about $219 would put your part list just over the $900 mark, I guess you'd say except for the psu/case it's actually reasonable in terms of cost? Course I thought it included them slapping it all into the case for me XD. You're right in that I don't actually need any drives for the build though.
Darn. Does anyone actually offer what I'm looking for at a reasonable price and quick shipping, or am I looking for an easy out that doesn't exist? Really appreciate the help guys.
edit: That Fractal case sure is classy, I'll give you that. My current case is gaudy beyond belief, lol
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
ITSALLHAPPENING
Oh wow...
Also, last pics I'll post for a bit, but Smoke da Don, did you see this full board block?
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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Would I be absolutely bat-shit insane to buy the In Win S-Frame? I know it's over the top, I know it's crazy, and I know it's not it's not a smart decision (360mm of radiator? psh)... but I love it.
I could do copper piping, and paint it red. Black Mobo, black everything. Red accents.
Tiger Direct's only store is in South Florida. Perhaps you could get them to assemble the requested parts for you. Frys and Microcenter offer this as well. So do many local PC part stores.Rats.
That's an incredibly generous offer, thank you. Tragically, I'm in south florida
Hmmm, thank you. I'm definitely not completely ruling out building from scratch, but... I'm just considering it a last resort. If a single thing goes wrong during the build I'll pretty much lose it.
Considering the kit from tigerdirect includes a MX100, which at about $219 would put your part list just over the $900 mark, I guess you'd say except for the psu/case it's actually reasonable in terms of cost? Course I thought it included them slapping it all into the case for me XD. You're right in that I don't actually need any drives for the build though.
Darn. Does anyone actually offer what I'm looking for at a reasonable price and quick shipping, or am I looking for an easy out that doesn't exist? Really appreciate the help guys.
edit: That Fractal case sure is classy, I'll give you that. My current case is gaudy beyond belief, lol
Shipping from me would be ~$50-90.
You might consider talking to Arken on GAF. He's in South Florida, and an amazingly nice guy, one of the most generous I've ever known. Very good at building PCs.
Remember how mad you got with acrylic? Copper is going to be equally as difficult the first go-round. It is definitely more secure though.Oh wow...
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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Would I be absolutely bat-shit insane to buy the In Win S-Frame? I know it's over the top, I know it's crazy, and I know it's not it's not a smart decision (360mm of radiator? psh)... but I love it.
I could do copper piping, and paint it red. Black Mobo, black everything. Red accents.
FWIW, I'm not going to be using anything other than EK ZMT in all of my future builds.
That case is sexy, but is in no way made for water cooling.
flyinpiranha
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Cheap too, thanks.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I know you're right... I sometimes need someone to talk me down.
Why back to rubber tubing? The ZMT is nice stuff, but rigid is all the rage nowadays, and really does look so much nicer, IMO. I thought your copper build was gorgeous.
The ZMT is actually quite rigid, and you can form it to be clean as hell.
It's a helluva lot easier to work with, especially when hardware isn't cooperating. Copper also requires some pretty stringent care of the water in the loop, I've come to find out. DI leaches minerals out of it like crazy.
Check out this build a friend and I did for someone:
Right before a recent LAN, my Z87 Sniper M5 went kaput, due to faulty PSU cables I had custom sleeved. 30 mins was all it took to put in a new motherboard into the system thanks to ZMT (and CaseLabs' removable motherboard tray).
That would have taken 10+ hours with copper pipe to fix.
It's a helluva lot easier to work with, especially when hardware isn't cooperating. Copper also requires some pretty stringent care of the water in the loop, I've come to find out. DI leaches minerals out of it like crazy.
Check out this build a friend and I did for someone:
Right before a recent LAN, my Z87 Sniper M5 went kaput, due to faulty PSU cables I had custom sleeved. 30 mins was all it took to put in a new motherboard into the system thanks to ZMT (and CaseLabs' removable motherboard tray).
That would have taken 10+ hours with copper pipe to fix.
You have blown my mind apart, I never knew that. might be exactly what I need to make this easy on myself. Thank you indeed.
Once I check into all my options I will definitely be considering your services. I really appreciate the guidance here.
Hah, wow. Arken is in our GW2 guild. He once singlehandedly footed the bill for an EU member to buy a server transfer to be able to play with the rest of us. I knew he lived down here but had no idea he was into PC building. Mind blown again.
Your pictured handiwork is absolutely glorious btw.
If you can do this then you can build your own PC.
I can and have, I just don't want to this time
I can and have, I just don't want to this timeI've just been through a bunch of hardware-related frustration in the last 6 months, and there's no nice workspace in my apartment. if I do go from scratch I could do the setup at my sister's place in her garage. but eh. I know it probably doesn't feel like a hassle to you at all, but I'd honestly just rather pay a reasonable charge to have the assembly and component testing done for me, at least this time around when I'm not doing it for leisure but out of necessity.
You may be seeing the positives now for getting a prebuilt, but a month down the line you may regret the chassis and PSU choice, these are the number 1 culprits for prebuilts. Also what testing? How come you need so much room to build a PC, ive built one on a bar stool before lol. Also if you want something with a smaller form factor like mATX or mITX you may struggle.
Also in my experience it's even more hassle to deal with shops when a PC goes wrong, usually issues aren't down to installation either. It's everything afterwards, such as installing old drivers, excessive drivers or motherboard software. There's always a chance of DOA, that's pretty much the only thing you negate when you buy a pre built.
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