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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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gigantor21
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Posting this after I upgraded a CPU for the first time (i3 2100 to i7 3770k)...Lord Jesus in Heaven, I've never been so terrified to turn a computer back on in my life. XD
One of the wires got snagged while I was putting the heatsink in (that's what I get for not paying attention -_-), so I ended up having to clean the heatsink and CPU off, drive to Best Buy to get thermal grease since my dumbass didn't buy it while I was at Micro Center, reapply it, and then put everything back together again. Then I got scared as hell when Chrome didn't run well...until I checked Steam and realized I was downloading something, LOL.
So yeah. It wasn't nearly as hard as I was expecting, but it was still one of the scariest upgrades I've ever done for my computer. I'm really glad I did it though.
Is there anything else I should do now?
One of the wires got snagged while I was putting the heatsink in (that's what I get for not paying attention -_-), so I ended up having to clean the heatsink and CPU off, drive to Best Buy to get thermal grease since my dumbass didn't buy it while I was at Micro Center, reapply it, and then put everything back together again. Then I got scared as hell when Chrome didn't run well...until I checked Steam and realized I was downloading something, LOL.
So yeah. It wasn't nearly as hard as I was expecting, but it was still one of the scariest upgrades I've ever done for my computer. I'm really glad I did it though.
Is there anything else I should do now?
Not that I know of.
Have a beer.
Sounds like a bad slot. Will probably require an RMA.
SHADES
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I was in the same boat as you a couple of months ago, never built a PC but after reading through the advice on here and the money saved in building your own against the knowledge you gain from building I'd definitely recommend having a go yourself, you'll have a better PC for the money and the insider knowledge of how it all goes together to boot, plus any issues you may face there's plenty of helpful gaffers here to talk you through it and trust me, if I can do it anyone can
I think I've got the bug now though as I'm itching to build another lol.
Fuck. Fuckity fuck. I do not want to have to replace the mobo dammit!
How much of a performance hit would 1 8GB DIMM vs dual channel bring D:
Ugh. serves me for not testing the mobo out of the case first :'(
#scrublife
Chance Hale
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Could I have a bad CPU or motherboard? Following the overclocking guide in the OP and did 4.0 easily through the bios(what I have had it at) but trying to it up 41 or higher just makes my entire PC freeze/crash and requires resetting it on the motherboard.
Get through occt test for 4.0 without issues.
Get through occt test for 4.0 without issues.
Since no one visits the OC thread:
ASUS clocks like poop and hits thermal problems before more volts can cure it, may do better under water, but whatever. MSI did a ton better and if I submit to HWbot would have the fastest stock 290 IN US AMERICA.
P14940 - MSI R9 290 (1200/1625/+100mV/+50PL) - 3770K @ 4.5Ghz - 8GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 - ASUS Gene V - Hazaro - Kraken X60 Water - Link 3DM11
10921 - MSI R9 290 (1200/1625/+100mV/+50PL) - 3770K @ 4.5Ghz - 8GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 - ASUS Gene V - Hazaro - Kraken X60 Water - Link 3DMark - Fire Strike
2911 / 69.6FPS - MSI R9 290 (1200/1625/+100mV/+50PL) - 3770K @ 4.5Ghz - 8GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 - ASUS Gene V - Hazaro - Kraken X60 Water - Link Valley EHD
ASUS clocks like poop and hits thermal problems before more volts can cure it, may do better under water, but whatever. MSI did a ton better and if I submit to HWbot would have the fastest stock 290 IN US AMERICA.
P14940 - MSI R9 290 (1200/1625/+100mV/+50PL) - 3770K @ 4.5Ghz - 8GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 - ASUS Gene V - Hazaro - Kraken X60 Water - Link 3DM11
10921 - MSI R9 290 (1200/1625/+100mV/+50PL) - 3770K @ 4.5Ghz - 8GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 - ASUS Gene V - Hazaro - Kraken X60 Water - Link 3DMark - Fire Strike
2911 / 69.6FPS - MSI R9 290 (1200/1625/+100mV/+50PL) - 3770K @ 4.5Ghz - 8GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 - ASUS Gene V - Hazaro - Kraken X60 Water - Link Valley EHD
Woah woah, you tried the other sticks of RAM in the same slot and they work? Just making sure.
Gonna need to post more info than that. Voltage? Offset? VCC? Temps? The OCN guide is pretty through.
I have a question for all of you! A poll sort of, I guess.
Do you prefer putting out money on a higher wattage PSU, and when the time comes to upgrade, grabbing a second GPU and running SLI/Crossfire? Or would you rather have a lower wattage PSU and to upgrade, sell the old and buy the new? I'm curious because I'm undecided on this.
Do you prefer putting out money on a higher wattage PSU, and when the time comes to upgrade, grabbing a second GPU and running SLI/Crossfire? Or would you rather have a lower wattage PSU and to upgrade, sell the old and buy the new? I'm curious because I'm undecided on this.
Higher wattage PSU. You leave yourself open for a upgrade in the future without having to disconnect everything for a new supply.
Chance Hale
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Following this guide step by step
Voltage set to 1.13, load calibration set to extreme, turbo turned off, and OC'd to 4.0. Going any further just causes everything to stop working and I don't know why :/ 43C at idle which seems high but it completes the OCCT and never goes higher than 75 on any of the cores after an hour.
I did notice when I reset the motherboard that at default the motherboard has the voltage set to 1.225.......which doesn't seem like it should happen. Tried the overclock at that voltage just to see if it'd work as the guide does say there will be variability in what yo need but the issue remains.
InFamousRaiden
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guys I need some VRM heat sink for R9 290 the temperature with Kraken G10 w/ x60 are near 88 deg C.
Any please I can get them fast ? I am in Canada.
Any please I can get them fast ? I am in Canada.
adamantypants
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Agreed with Smokey. I've upgraded GPU twice and each time I was practically at the limit so I upgraded PSU twice as well. This time I said fuck it and got one powerful enough to SLI two 780tis with room to spare.
But let me tell you, all that wiggle room makes me itch to actually use the available power.
Have a couple lying around for testing purposes or just fitting the job right. I have an AX650, Seasonic 860W plat, and AX760i. Might grab one of those EVGA G2 1200W in case I get a wild hair and decide to get another two 290s
CreepingFear
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I have an AX850, it's overkill but I don't really have to think about most upgrades unless I did something like two 295x or two Titan Z's which I don't have the money for anyways. I don't believe in overkill!
maneil99
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What CPU/MB
Chance Hale
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Set manual Voltage to 1.28V and see if it can get into Windows at 4.1Ghz (41 multi)
If that does not work try Offset
If that does not work try the OC for me pls button
Also compare your settings to these: (Obviously use 41 Multi and 1.28V for volts)
http://i.gyazo.com/1a4b1559d3d3c373a799f42b5e82a432.png
GELID and mwave/eBay are best bet
Buy a good 550W or 750/850W unit depending on your budget and what you think you will do with the PC. Really only two choices unless you go super high end and then you should drop the money on a bigger supply.
Going dual cards is something you should do when you put your PC or very soon after IMO and not a long term down the line upgrade.
jfoul
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Rosewill HIVE 750W
$59.99 with code EMCPDWG45, ends 6/15
MSI GTX 780Ti GAMING
$599.99 after $30 rebate
PowerColor PCS+ AXR9 290 4GB (3 Slot)
$351.29 with Code: JUNESPER6 and $30 rebate.
$59.99 with code EMCPDWG45, ends 6/15
MSI GTX 780Ti GAMING
$599.99 after $30 rebate
PowerColor PCS+ AXR9 290 4GB (3 Slot)
$351.29 with Code: JUNESPER6 and $30 rebate.
Nice. That's black friday prices. Good PSU. Have it myself and it's been great.
maneil99
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Well 1.25 is normal or above average for 4.5ghz so..
Try 4.1 with 1.2v and Very High / 75% LLC
Also increase your max power draw, i had to do that with the UD3H!
Chance Hale
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Seems to be working at 1.28, was just put off by the guide getting to 4.6 with the vcore only set to 1.18 and them starting at 1.1
Learning experience! Overclocking a GPU is much less complicated, lol.
Edit: Really appreciate the help!
Learning experience! Overclocking a GPU is much less complicated, lol.
Edit: Really appreciate the help!
CreepingFear
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Man, I went over my computer parts purchases since 2011. My GTX 570 was $349, GTX 670 was $398, then I got a 780 TI Classified in 2013 for $726. I think my next GPU purchase will be over $1000. To make matters worse, I've upgraded GPU's every year, but I definitely can't this year and probably can't next year until very late 2015 at the earliest. I'm going to go through with GPU withdrawl aka the Smokey syndrome.
maneil99
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Thats why you buy the high end, they keep there value better and are easier to sell. I went from a 680 -> 780 and saved like 340$
Helped my friend build his new PC today. I picked out the Gigabyte Sniper mobo for him and have to say this is definitely a beast budget mobo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_re=Gigabyte_sniper-_-13-128-706-_-Product
Build quality seemed super high. Great feature set too. I'm probably going to grab one myself when I put together my home theater PC.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_re=Gigabyte_sniper-_-13-128-706-_-Product
Build quality seemed super high. Great feature set too. I'm probably going to grab one myself when I put together my home theater PC.
Dries
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What do you mean by "try Offset" and the "OC for me pls button"?
Pjsprojects
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Quick GTX question guys. I run one of the overclocked GTX580 3gb cards and have been offered a GTX590 3gb for a good price.
My question is-I knowi the 590 is 2x570s stuck together so will games see it as 1.5gb in sli? This I don't want due to all the problems with running a proper sli setup.
My question is-I knowi the 590 is 2x570s stuck together so will games see it as 1.5gb in sli? This I don't want due to all the problems with running a proper sli setup.
It's just to figure out if it was a voltage hump or not, continue tweaking from there with lower voltages.
There is Offset overclocking (tweaking the auto voltage) and Manual.
Most mobos have an 'OC' button that finds a good OC but usually dumps volts into it (bad). It's gotten better though and can save time to work from where it lands you.
1.5GB
Define good price, I wouldn't want one of those in my machine.
Pjsprojects
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So I'm better off sticking with my 580 because it's a true 3gb card.
The 590 would be around a hundred and twenty quid.
Dries
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So basically Offset overclocking is just running with the Vcore that your CPU automatically hands out to you when you tweak the Clock Ratio?
Then you + or - that in the simple sense.
So if 4.4Ghz is 1.28V on Offset you apply -0.02 and run 1.26V. The main benefit is you can use the voltage stepping to help conserve power.
Dries
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Clear.
I have a question about the following line from the Overclock3D.net guide (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/gigabyte_z77_overclocking_guide/2)
In CPUz my memory is running at 798.1 Mhz. I have 2 x 4GB of RAM, so should I multiply that 800Mhz by 2 which would get me that 1600 MHz they're talking about in that guide?
Or is my full 8 GB of RAM running at a total of 800 Mhz?
DDR stands for Double Data Rate, so whatever the number CPU-Z shows is doubled to get your speed. So both your sticks of RAM are running at 800x2 = 1600MHzIn CPUz my memory is running at 798.1 Mhz. I have 2 x 4GB of RAM, so should I multiply that 800Mhz by 2 which would get me that 1600 MHz they're talking about in that guide?
Or is my full 8 GB of RAM running at a total of 800 Mhz?
Objectively Bad Opinion
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Card arrived through the post just now, even though I didn't pay for one-day delivery, so that's a major plus point for Scan. Plus, I did get Saints Row IV for free anyway, so a double-result.
...Now I have to go out and buy a screwdriver as both of mine have vanished, in order to actually install the darned thing.
Hey guys I plan on a almost complete update of my PC, here is what I plan on buying:
GPU: ASUS GTX-770 DirectCU II (GK104, 2GB)
Mainboard: ASUS MAXIMUS VII RANGER (LGA 1150, Z97, ATX)
CPU: Intel Core i7 4790 BOX (LGA 1150, 3.60GHz)
CPU fan: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo (120mm)
Power: Cooler Master V700 (700W)
Case: Fractal Define R4 - Black Pearl
I will take my 120GB SSD, 16GB RAM, 1TB HDD and BD drive from my old PC and put them into the new one.
What do you guys think? Are all components I plan on buying compatible with each other?
Thank you very much already in advance!
GPU: ASUS GTX-770 DirectCU II (GK104, 2GB)
Mainboard: ASUS MAXIMUS VII RANGER (LGA 1150, Z97, ATX)
CPU: Intel Core i7 4790 BOX (LGA 1150, 3.60GHz)
CPU fan: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo (120mm)
Power: Cooler Master V700 (700W)
Case: Fractal Define R4 - Black Pearl
I will take my 120GB SSD, 16GB RAM, 1TB HDD and BD drive from my old PC and put them into the new one.
What do you guys think? Are all components I plan on buying compatible with each other?
Thank you very much already in advance!
michaelius
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If you want non K cpu then you can get much cheaper mobo
Yes, or you could stick with the Z97 and get a 4790K so you can overclock.
The GTX770 isn't the best bang for you buck card in that price range. You can go for the 280X and get a similar performance for a lower price. Stick with the 770 if you want the Nvidia stuff, easier downsampling, physx, shadowplay and so on.
Pjsprojects
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Hey guys I plan on a almost complete update of my PC, here is what I plan on buying:
GPU: ASUS GTX-770 DirectCU II (GK104, 2GB)
Mainboard: ASUS MAXIMUS VII RANGER (LGA 1150, Z97, ATX)
CPU: Intel Core i7 4790 BOX (LGA 1150, 3.60GHz)
CPU fan: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo (120mm)
Power: Cooler Master V700 (700W)
Case: Fractal Define R4 - Black Pearl
I will take my 120GB SSD, 16GB RAM, 1TB HDD and BD drive from my old PC and put them into the new one.
What do you guys think? Are all components I plan on buying compatible with each other?
Thank you very much already in advance!
Think on video ram. Games are already pushing 3gig vram so look for a 3 or 4gig card really.
Using a Microsoft account to log in to your PC allows you to use the Microsoft Store, among other things like simpler integration for Microsoft applications like One Drive and Skype. If you're not interested in those features, just use a standard Windows user account.
I don't plan on overclocking my CPU, so I will probably go with the ASRock H97. How important is to have 4GB VRAM instead of 2GB? I might invest the money saved on the motherboard on a better GPU, but I want to stick with Nvidia.
Edit: I think my power supply might be a bit expensive compared to the other components, what would be a suitable less expensive one?
Edit: I think my power supply might be a bit expensive compared to the other components, what would be a suitable less expensive one?
michaelius
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As far a H97 is concerned I'd rather use one of those richer mobos like Asrock H97 Performance or MSI H97 Gaming
But personally I think you would be much better with 4790K (even if you don't plan overclocking) due to 4 Ghz base frequency + cheaper Z97 mobo as it won't limit your options in the future.
You also have to ask yourself if you even consider multi gpu in the future because if you don't then even simple Asrock Z97 Pro3 would be fine or Msi Z97 Gaming 3
But personally I think you would be much better with 4790K (even if you don't plan overclocking) due to 4 Ghz base frequency + cheaper Z97 mobo as it won't limit your options in the future.
You also have to ask yourself if you even consider multi gpu in the future because if you don't then even simple Asrock Z97 Pro3 would be fine or Msi Z97 Gaming 3
What is the Microsoft Store?
Is it just apps like on a cellphone? Will I miss out on anything?
An online application store curated by Microsoft. You won't miss anything. Any application that's worth a damn can be downloaded using normal methods. I don't use a Microsoft account and it's been a problem exactly zero times.
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