"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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Probably a 6-10% IPC increase with worse overclocking.

Because, that's what has happened every year since Sandy Bridge until now.
 
Jimmy Rustle said:
Nope, never. This was actually my first build, so i'm not very familiar with the ideal temperatures or the best airflow. I'm hoping this setup will run future releases at 1440p/60fps and perhaps 4k/60fps for current games. I might buy the Asus 4k monitor.

As for the PSU, 750W, Gold certified. Would a PSU with higher wattage be necessary?



As long as the performance is up to par, the aesthetic of having a different style card wouldn't really bother me, but if its not too complicated to set up my case with proper airflow to SLI ACX cards, then that'd be ideal.
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Are these cards overclocked? Is your CPU overclocked? 750w is really tight for a 780 SLI setup IMO. 850w would be an ideal minimum.

SLI is cool and all, but you are highly dependent on game engines and Nvidia providing proper support for it. If one of those is not optimized in those areas you will be stuck with terrible performance, or have to disable one of the cards leaving you with a single GPU setup. Most AAA games these days have the support built in. If you play older titles this could be an issue. You may have to mess around with SLI profiles if a game doesn't support it, or even create your own. You may also notice odd stuttering even though your fps counter says you are above 60fps. Some times it may not "feel" like it. These things are apart of owning a SLI setup.

As far as the 4k stuff...I would wait until better screens are out. I have a Samsung 4k monitor. It shares the same panel with the Asus you are interested in. Games at the resolution do look amazing, but the panel quality at this moment is not up to par. I have gone back to my Dell U3011 (2560x1600) panel because it provides a much better overall package.I think you would be more impressed with the Asus Swift 1440/144hz panel. By the time you are ready to move to 4k, hopefully the panel quality will have increased and Windows 9 scaling will properly support it.

Just providing you some notes before diving into SLI. When it works it is great, but it does have its draw backs.

IMO -- I would wait for the 800 series. Sell your card and use that money towards the purchase. They will be more power efficient and may have improved SLI technology. Similar to what AMD did with its Xfire tech in its new cards.
 
How's this for a gaming /programming build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£164.34 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£39.67 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£59.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sandisk Solid State Drive 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£46.00 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£36.05 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£151.54 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case (£35.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£36.10 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (£72.77 @ Ebuyer)
Wireless Network Adapter: Intel 7260HMWDTX1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter (£35.82 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £678.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-23 00:15 BST+0100
 
mossypne said:
How's this for a gaming /programming build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£164.34 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£39.67 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£59.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sandisk Solid State Drive 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£46.00 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Toshiba 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£36.05 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£151.54 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case (£35.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£36.10 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (£72.77 @ Ebuyer)
Wireless Network Adapter: Intel 7260HMWDTX1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter (£35.82 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £678.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-23 00:15 BST+0100
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Buy Windows off reddit, use the savings to get a Z97 mobo and maybe a slightly better PSU. and an MX100 SSD.
 
Smokey said:
Are these cards overclocked? Is your CPU overclocked? 750w is really tight for a 780 SLI setup IMO. 850w would be an ideal minimum.

SLI is cool and all, but you are highly dependent on game engines and Nvidia providing proper support for it. If one of those is not optimized in those areas you will be stuck with terrible performance, or have to disable one of the cards leaving you with a single GPU setup. Most AAA games these days have the support built in. If you play older titles this could be an issue. You may have to mess around with SLI profiles if a game doesn't support it, or even create your own. You may also notice odd stuttering even though your fps counter says you are above 60fps. Some times it may not "feel" like it. These things are apart of owning a SLI setup.

As far as the 4k stuff...I would wait until better screens are out. I have a Samsung 4k monitor. It shares the same panel with the Asus you are interested in. Games at the resolution do look amazing, but the panel quality at this moment is not up to par. I have gone back to my Dell U3011 (2560x1600) panel because it provides a much better overall package.I think you would be more impressed with the Asus Swift 1440/144hz panel. By the time you are ready to move to 4k, hopefully the panel quality will have increased and Windows 9 scaling will properly support it.

Just providing you some notes before diving into SLI. When it works it is great, but it does have its draw backs.

IMO -- I would wait for the 800 series. Sell your card and use that money towards the purchase. They will be more power efficient and may have improved SLI technology. Similar to what AMD did with its Xfire tech in its new cards.
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Now that I think about it and take into account the advice you and mkenyon have given me, I think I am in fact jumping into this SLI thing a bit prematurely.

I think I might even wait for the 980s to release next year and go all out with a completely new SLI-focused setup, instead of trying to find the most economical alternative, especially since i'll be graduating in December and should have a full time job by then.

Thanks fellas.
 
So I searched in my area to find a store selling the parts I wanted, and the best I could find is:
GeForce GTX 760: 300$
4GB Ram: 40$

the shop clerk also told me I'll need a power supply not less than 550 Watt, but is there's anything else important I need to buy for my computer like a Motherboard or a anything?

for reference here's my current PC spec:
Intel Core i5-2310 @ 2.90 GHz 3.20 GHz
4GB Ram
 
Jimmy Rustle said:
Now that I think about it and take into account the advice you and mkenyon have given me, I think I am in fact jumping into this SLI thing a bit prematurely.

I think I might even wait for the 980s to release next year and go all out with a completely new SLI-focused setup, instead of trying to find the most economical alternative, especially since i'll be graduating in December and should have a full time job by then.

Thanks fellas.
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No prob.

Any chance you're in the Pacific NW? If so, I have a case that'd suit your needs.
 
Need some help.

Is there much difference in a 4670k and 4690k? Also, what about mobo. Whats the difference in a Z87 and Z97 board? Finally, ram. Does 2400mhz ram benifit much in ram intensive programs such as 3d rendering?

Building a new PC, will be for 3D Work and gaming. The mobo and cpu is what I am having the hardest time choosing, especially on a budget. Any suggestions would be great, thanks.
 
Jimmy Rustle said:
Now that I think about it and take into account the advice you and mkenyon have given me, I think I am in fact jumping into this SLI thing a bit prematurely.

I think I might even wait for the 980s to release next year and go all out with a completely new SLI-focused setup, instead of trying to find the most economical alternative, especially since i'll be graduating in December and should have a full time job by then.

Thanks fellas.
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Definitely wait. Especially since you're in school. I was in same position you were . I would sit at my campus IT job and literally move stuff around on NewEgg wish lists plotting what I wanted. I had a high end list. A mid tier list. An Intel list. AMD list. It was crazy. Also lurked the fuck outta this thread. Waited until I graduated to jump in . Now I'm way
way
deep in the game.

It'll feel better rewarding yourself after you've got out of school and landed a job.
 
Bleh couldnt get my C2duo E8400 to boot with a 6870, no video. Tried an R9 290 from my machine and nothing. The mobo has a green light and all fans turn on (evga 500w). PSU and SSD brand new. Was trying to get my old mobo/proc/ram to run with my old 6870 but no dice.

Ended up ordering a i3-4150/gigabyte H81/8gb kingston fyur ram 1333. I really have no idea about lower end stuff, is this good enough for basic gaming and some photoshop? Plan to play Guild Wars 2 and get her into coop games and such. But it doesnt have to be max settings and stuff ... Just play Skyrim and GW2.
 
People probably get annoyed by all the question spam, but man I have some weird issue that's ticking my nerves at the moment. I'm currently rocking an I7 4770k off a Z97n-wifi itx board, but for one reason or the other, it doesn't want to pass audio from my computer to my receiver via HDMI.

I don't have a graphics card yet, and am just using the integrated, so I figure it's got to either be the intel audio, or a motherboard issue. Anyone else run into something like this?

For further clarification I'm on windows 8.1

I go into the playback devices menu, and it shows the HDMI connection in gray, displaying "not plugged in"
 
ChronotriggerJM said:
People probably get annoyed by all the question spam, but man I have some weird issue that's ticking my nerves at the moment. I'm currently rocking an I7 4770k off a Z97n-wifi itx board, but for one reason or the other, it doesn't want to pass audio from my computer to my receiver via HDMI.

I don't have a graphics card yet, and am just using the integrated, so I figure it's got to either be the intel audio, or a motherboard issue. Anyone else run into something like this?

For further clarification I'm on windows 8.1

I go into the playback devices menu, and it shows the HDMI connection in gray, displaying "not plugged in"
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You may have to enable it in e BIOS
 
ChronotriggerJM said:
People probably get annoyed by all the question spam, but man I have some weird issue that's ticking my nerves at the moment. I'm currently rocking an I7 4770k off a Z97n-wifi itx board, but for one reason or the other, it doesn't want to pass audio from my computer to my receiver via HDMI.

I don't have a graphics card yet, and am just using the integrated, so I figure it's got to either be the intel audio, or a motherboard issue. Anyone else run into something like this?

For further clarification I'm on windows 8.1

I go into the playback devices menu, and it shows the HDMI connection in gray, displaying "not plugged in"
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Did you update the drivers for the onboard graphics card? e.g. the intel driver? (or whatever it is)
 
Grums said:
Need some help.

Is there much difference in a 4670k and 4690k? Also, what about mobo. Whats the difference in a Z87 and Z97 board? Finally, ram. Does 2400mhz ram benifit much in ram intensive programs such as 3d rendering?

Building a new PC, will be for 3D Work and gaming. The mobo and cpu is what I am having the hardest time choosing, especially on a budget. Any suggestions would be great, thanks.
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4670K to 4690k: Only minor clock speed differences.

Z97 over Z87: Z97 works with latest Intel CPUs out of the box while Z87 mobos needs a BIOS update. Also Z97 supports M.2 if you like em small SSDs.

2400Mhz RAM: not worth the price imho
 
Smiley90 said:
Did you update the drivers for the onboard graphics card? e.g. the intel driver? (or whatever it is)
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Well according to intel's "driver update utility" The "Audio Driver for Intel Desktop Board" is giving me device is unknown or unsupported. So I figured it could be related to the motherboard, but if I hop onto Gigabytes website, it's current. So I'm not sure.

flyinpiranha said:
You may have to enable it in e BIOS
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Not sure how to do it with this current Bios :(
 
ChronotriggerJM said:
Well according to intel's "driver update utility" The "Audio Driver for Intel Desktop Board" is giving me device is unknown or unsupported. So I figured it could be related to the motherboard, but if I hop onto Gigabytes website, it's current. So I'm not sure.



Not sure how to do it with this current Bios :(
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Not talking audio driver, do you know what onboard graphics you have? it's usually like an Intel 4600 or so. that's what I have, e.g. go to intel's site directly and check it out?
 
I'm considering moving from an i5 2500k to an i5 4690k and upgrading to an ASUS Maximus VII Hero since I found a deal for under $200 on the board.

Would I be correct in assuming that that board+CPU will last me years?

GPU is a GTX670, great card, no issues, don't really think I need to upgrade it yet.
 
So, I have a 1TB HDD. Looking into the MX100's, and trying to decide if I really need a 256GB over a 128GB. I'd put OS, programs, and Civ V and whatever Bethesda game I'm modding at the moment on it. What do you guys think? I can't get my mind to compute how much space all of that would actually take up.

Rex Griswold said:
I'm considering moving from an i5 2500k to an i5 4690k and upgrading to an ASUS Maximus VII Hero since I found a deal for under $200 on the board.

Would I be correct in assuming that that board+CPU will last me years?

GPU is a GTX670, great card, no issues, don't really think I need to upgrade it yet.
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I would think yes, but as is often said, we don't really know. Games could go towards more cores, they could use hyperthreading, they could not. I personally think it will last you at least a few.
 
ChronotriggerJM said:
Thanks a ton for the help! Checking out the latest one now. Lets hope the PC doesn't detonate :D

Edit: Worked like a charm! You're the best! Thanks a ton for the help all.

Neogaf > Google
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Sweeeeeeet I'm glad it worked! Sometimes I have good hunches apparently haha.
 
i was having some funky issues with my computer the last couple days but i think i fixed it...hopefully

my computer would randomly freeze either right before the win8 login screen or right after, and all usb devices would die. front panel, back panel, all dead. the first thing i did was to power off and check all the connectors on the mobo but everything seemed fine.

when i restarted after one of these freezes my computer wouldn't even boot properly - you'd get that blue windows logo with the swirl, and then the bsod for an instant, and then the system would try to perform an automatic repair and fail, and then it would ask me what i wanted to do - full wipe, revert to a previous restore point, or try to restart again.

going to a previous restore point would always work the first time, but without fail the problem would show up again sometime after i restarted the system. when i checked the event log for critical errors I found:

10110 and 10111, DriverFrameworks-UserMode
A problem has occurred with one or more user-mode drivers and the hosting process has been terminated. This may temporarily interrupt your ability to access the devices.

so I thought it was probably a driver issue for one of my usb devices. i had started using a new USB wireless adapter a couple weeks ago. downloaded the updated driver and everything seems ok for now
 
I'm still working to try and make my new PC run cooler. I have a 4790k/Z97/GTX780/16GB with no over clocking or other settings changes and when I'm running Far Cry Blood Dragon, the CPU gets up to about 95+ degrees C. All other games run around 55-60 C, even on highest settings. I'm running HWInfo to try and monitor temps and other sensors. If my CPU is drawing 1.4 volts, is that about right? If not, could it be causing the heat issues and if so, can I change it? My GPU never gets above 75C even when the CPU is running at 100C.
 
Darklord said:
Opinions on Hitachi hard drives? I have a seagate and saw that seagate have a disturbing high failure rate and Hitachi are much better in reliability. Are they worth buying?
I'm looking at this. http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=210_344&products_id=27270
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Lower is better.
backblaze-annual-hdd-failure-rate-100226259-orig.jpg
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Are the budget monitors on the front page still relevant? I am looking for one to replace my 10 years old Dell Monitor. Any recommendations?
 
Dunbar said:
I'm still working to try and make my new PC run cooler. I have a 4790k/Z97/GTX780/16GB with no over clocking or other settings changes and when I'm running Far Cry Blood Dragon, the CPU gets up to about 95+ degrees C. All other games run around 55-60 C, even on highest settings. I'm running HWInfo to try and monitor temps and other sensors. If my CPU is drawing 1.4 volts, is that about right? If not, could it be causing the heat issues and if so, can I change it? My GPU never gets above 75C even when the CPU is running at 100C.
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1.4v seems crazy at stock. By default your voltage would be set to auto, which can over compensate when overclocking but at stock it usually behaves fine. You can change it and set it manually. You'll need to run stress test to make sure it is stable, however, I wonder why it's reaching such high voltages.
 
Dunbar said:
I'm still working to try and make my new PC run cooler. I have a 4790k/Z97/GTX780/16GB with no over clocking or other settings changes and when I'm running Far Cry Blood Dragon, the CPU gets up to about 95+ degrees C. All other games run around 55-60 C, even on highest settings. I'm running HWInfo to try and monitor temps and other sensors. If my CPU is drawing 1.4 volts, is that about right? If not, could it be causing the heat issues and if so, can I change it? My GPU never gets above 75C even when the CPU is running at 100C.
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Thats too high, have you updated your bios?
 
Darklord said:
Opinions on Hitachi hard drives? I have a seagate and saw that seagate have a disturbing high failure rate and Hitachi are much better in reliability.
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I don't know about Hitachi. But in my 15 years of experience, i had 1 quantum fireball and 2 seagate drives fail on me. Never had a problem with WD drives. My 80GB WD drive in my old Pentium 4 PC (that i used for 10 years non-stop) is still going strong.
 
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